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Old 05-13-2019, 01:55 PM   #49921
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Lol Guy’s a company man. WWE REALLY needs him.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:14 PM   #49922
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:28 PM   #49923
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Not that I blame Cena as a movie career was a no brainer. But man, The Rock/Cena feud has aged so terribly given that Cena is now doing the exact same thing.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:13 PM   #49924
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Part 2 of their feud was extra terrible due to how lazy WWE handled it and killed any real benefit or payoff from Punk's modern era record setting WWE title reign in the process.
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:03 PM   #49925
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They could have had the match exactly the same by having Cena interfere in the match instead of the Shield, after losing the Rumble.
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:41 PM   #49926
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Watching Mid Atlantic from 82.

Jake Roberts was super skinny and using a running knee lift as a finish...
I wonder when the DDT comes in.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:36 PM   #49927
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:58 PM   #49928
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:52 PM   #49929
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According to PWI, Killer Kross recently asked for his release from Impact Wrestling.

Seems the whole situation revolves around Kross regretting signing a multi-year deal with Impact last year.

Kross feels he's currently being underpaid compared to his value outside of Impact and has also been upset with the direction of his career in the company.

Impact initially stood their ground against a pay raise but then offered one that was at a lower amount than Kross was asking and with none of the guarantees he also asked for (base pay and work dates).
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:17 PM   #49930
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Watching Bret/Tom Magee doc on Network r/n

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Old 05-13-2019, 11:30 PM   #49931
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Bret Hart vs Tom Magee was a fun match.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:39 PM   #49932
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:54 PM   #49933
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Apparently Viceland was working on a Dino Bravo episode for their Dark Side of the Ring series before it got dropped when they cut back plans for the series to have 6 episode instead of 10.

For some reference, Bravo allegedly had a side job as a cigarette smuggler in Canada and got on the bad side of the mob who allegedly ordered a hit on him as punishment.

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Old 05-14-2019, 12:01 AM   #49934
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Baron Corbin has taken to whinging about people whinging online. No one is excited about his match with Ricochet (which has less than a <40% chance of happening, given how they change plans), and he's blasting everyone because they're never happy.
But what if you add Kurt Angle to the mix?
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:10 AM   #49935
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According to PWI, Killer Kross recently asked for his release from Impact Wrestling.

Seems the whole situation revolves around Kross regretting signing a multi-year deal with Impact last year.

Kross feels he's currently being underpaid compared to his value outside of Impact and has also been upset with the direction of his career in the company.

Impact initially stood their ground against a pay raise but then offered one that was at a lower amount than Kross was asking and with none of the guarantees he also asked for (base pay and work dates).
Meh, he goes home with Scarlett Bordeaux so he's still doing quite well for himself regardless.
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Old 05-14-2019, 01:01 AM   #49936
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Bret Hart vs Tom Magee was a fun match.

Good little documentary/match combo... I don't believe a man with that athleticism and size spent 3-4 years wrestling dark matches because he wasn't good enough. I don't think they wanted him in as a mid card wrestler, only as a main event hero so maybe he was held back by Hogan and kept in reserve by Vince for a time that never came.

I'd have liked a straight comment from Vince but I bet it was less about lack of talent and more about Hogan't creative control, drawing power and the lack of necessity in replacing him with anyone at that time.

Hogan was still drawing fair crowds up til 1991 or so wasn't he?
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Old 05-14-2019, 01:03 AM   #49937
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Good little documentary/match combo... I don't believe a man with that athleticism and size spent 3-4 years wrestling dark matches because he wasn't good enough. I think he was held back by Hogan and kept in reserve by Vince for a time that never came.

I'd have liked a straight comment from Vince but I bet it was less about lack of talent and more about Hogan't creative control, drawing power and the lack of necessity in replacing him with anyone at that time.

Hogan was still drawing fair crowds up til 1991 or so wasn't he?
Dude was goofy and awkward in the ring, two things you don't want in a top guy.

That said, if he came out today, he'd be sucked off by the IWC as the greatest thing ever.
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I mean unless Tom Magee's other matches were complete and utter dog shit there's no reason he wouldn't fit into their plans at all.

No... I think this is like buying a replacement goalkeeper only for your original goalie to play until he's 40 and so the new guy becomes a dejected squad guy who can't even depose the substitute goalie.

Eventually he just leaves the game altogether.
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Dude was goofy and awkward in the ring, two things you don't want in a top guy.
You could be talking about Hogan here
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Billy Graham won't be happy until nobody has any legs at all the bitter old bastard.
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Old 05-14-2019, 01:19 AM   #49943
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Saw Adam Bomb commented on Billy Graham's FB page...now looking at FB profile of Adam Bomb


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Probably thinking of Bryan Adams his partner in Kronik/Crush.
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Lol anyone watch the Tom Magee vs Bret Hart match
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:51 AM   #49947
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Yeah it was fun/good

Tom Magee had a huge wedgie the whole match
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:54 AM   #49948
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I was going to post this and decided to wait because I figured it would be a popular response.
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Weird that Ricochet has already lost clean twice on the main roster, to Robert Roode and Baron Corbin.

Wonder when Aleister will wrestle again...feel like he had lots of momentum and him cutting heelish video promos on SD each week isn't helping him...
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:14 AM   #49950
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:37 AM   #49951
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:06 AM   #49952
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:35 AM   #49953
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I feel like WWE's popularity is actually slipping tbh, as many have mentioned here.


I know wrestling is a niche market to begin with, but with sliding ratings and social media (WWE hasn't trended worldwide on Twitter since WM itself -- which is why you haven't heard them brag about trending -- YT views each week are down a little too, less merch sales, less subscriptions to the Network, less live attendance, etc.

Part of me thinks years of WWE having so much content and going against what their most vocal and passionate fans want has finally caught up with them. Granted, RAW in particular has been bad for like a year at this point and really nosedived the last few months.


IDK, I think what I am trying to say is I think ratings will keep dropping. I also think people will tune into the Network for PPVs though. I think the weekly tv shows are going to have some trouble though as they are bad and most of the time, not really a reason to watch.
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I wish I had anything to add to your conclusion, Slik. This is genuinely the worst they've been in a long time.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:37 AM   #49955
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I could see SD launching well, 3-4 million and staying that way for a few months. But then it might be a novelty thing, rather than something that attracts new viewers to WWE. Friday is a bad night for tv to begin with and WWE is NOT new-user friendly.

There's just so much of it, and to see payoff (if there is such a thing in a feud at all) you have to spend $10 more dollars a month and I can't see the general public really going for that or WWE's lame storylines like people having back hair or being short or hating the WWE universe.
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I sincerely hope this isn't how it all ends.
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I sincerely hope this isn't how it all ends.

I don't think we have to worry about that.

RAW and SD could easily drop to 1.0 and 1.5 rating and there's enough of a fanbase WM could sell out stadiums for the new few years. I think at some point though, if things go down a slippery slope, and it would be a ways away, Vince would either just sell WWE or they'd end up cutting back on content. I know WWE's current plan is to actually produce more content each year, but I think that will just further eradicate people via being 'too much of the same thing and most of it not being that great'.
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A guy called into Wade Keller’s show last night. Take this FWIW. He said he has a couple friends that are members of creative and he shared this:

- Nobody should ever rip WWE creative. They have some brilliant and cool ideas. They have 1 month, 3 month, and 12 months storylines. They are told they are writing for an audience of 1. He said that some of the ideas he heard were really good.

- They said Hunter is very frustrated each night in the back. He looks like the most frustrated person in the building each night and he is always consoling the talent.

- The Wild Card idea was not in the script as of last Monday Morning.

- The Superstar shakeup changed week to week and it did not end up at all how it was to go off. Months of planning went into how it was to go down and it all was thrown out the window.

- The Smackdown and Raw writing teams are the same for both shows now.

- Vince wants suggestions for everyone but rarely uses them.

- The writers said he doesn’t watch NXT and maybe watches the Takeovers. So he doesn’t really know much about the talents that come up and just creates his own vision for them.

- The writers said he doesn’t keep track of anything outside WWE. Basically he watches the network and works out.

- There is no chance he steps down or takes a step back until the day he dies even with the XFL.

- They said Dana Brooke has been the hardest worker over the last three years. She gets there early, works in the ring etc. Does anythng she can to get better. They pitch TV segments for her and she gets nothing.

- Right now they are all working for Dana Warrior.

- They have it in their contract that under no circumstances that the show would be moved to FS1. It will stay on Fox.

- They all loved Road Dog and feel like he will end up with AEW.

- It is a toxic atmosphere because of Vince.

- When Neville left there was a shouting match between him and Vince. He flipped out on him and it was the lats time they ever saw him.

The stop start stuff we see is because Vince gets interested for a week and then changes his mind. He said this is demoralizing for the talent and the writers because they work so hard to put this stuff together and then he just changes his mind. It gets to a point where everything you are writing is not on TV and then you watch the stuff on TV and it’s so bad.

- The talent is very unhappy. There are people wanting/trying to get out of their contracts.

- Bruce Prichard is a pleasure to work with but he hasn’t made a difference. He can’t get through to Vince either. They said Shane has even had conversations with Vince and Vince laughed him off. Shane, HHH and Steph have all tried this.

- They all assume they will get fired. They all listen to popular podcasts and it breaks their heart because they get bashed but they really have no say.
- They have 37 total wrtiers.

- Andrade went to Vince and asked for a legit push. Vince told him to learn some English and kicked him out of the office. I guess last week he had a promo and spoke some English. He’s also taking English classes.

- They said the Firefly Funhouse is all Bray Wyatt’s idea. He is a genius when it comes to character development.

- They said when Fox first came in they said they wanted the top stars and are not paying for a B show.

- They said the best time they had the last few years was when there was brand specific PPV’s because so many guys got so many opportunities.

- The Zayn character is Vince yelling at the fans and the critics and despises that the fans don't enjoy what he is giving them.


It was at about the 14 minute mark of his Raw post show.
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