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Old 09-23-2022, 04:45 PM   #361
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I just re-watched Soraya's debut. It just seems like something is off. Like she didn't even want to be there or anything
I thought the same thing about Samoa Joe when he debuted.

I think a lot of these people would rather be working for WWE, but when the deals arenít there or the money isnít high enough, go to Tony and get a truckload even if itís not artistically fulfilling.
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Old 09-23-2022, 04:45 PM   #362
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No joke though — Paige could end up running that company.
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Old 09-23-2022, 04:47 PM   #363
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You know how there were the outlandish rumors Vince McMahon sent Vince Russo to WCW as a double agent? My pick for a Trojan horse in AEW would be Paige.
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Old 09-23-2022, 04:54 PM   #364
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Lets say you book punk, ignoring my opinion if one should book him in the 1st place. So you know he isnt aging well physically. Thats beyond contestation at the point. So best practice would be a 30-60 day no contact build. Do that match on paid TV. Ok great. You get your pay day. Problem is you cant book any momentum after that, you must book a one shot the night of because you cant ensure he isnt going to need 90ish days off to recover. How can you effectively use him?

You cant build him forward and putting him under will quickly lose return value. So... whats the point? Sure get the few gates if you can while you can but my efforts would be feeding him to my long term talent. The amount of business to do is pretty limited.

And again thats ignoring if you should even use him at all.
Eh, I think you can do a bunch of stuff. Bring him back as a commentator, have a heel go off on him one week. People always pop for the commentator taking off the headset.

Iím still interested in him vs. Hobbs. You could do something with him and Starks maybe as partners. FTR & Punk as a unit. You havenít done the heel turn yet. Bubblewrapped Heel Punk picking fights he can win.

I donít think youíre wrong about his body or about the philosophical issues with using Punk, but you can definitely squeeze the actual content out.
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Old 09-23-2022, 05:40 PM   #365
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You really havent circumvented any of the issues there. You've created a frame work that work inside the issues but they remain all the same.

He cant work regularly so you cant safely set up anything beyond 1 match. So nothing long term. Every match he does needs to bookend itself. Because of this putting him over only devalues the guy he's working since Punk cant trade that momentum to someone else on the card. So you put him under. How many times can you do that before any value he might have had is well and truly gone? 5 times in a row max. If the Undertaker we're to job every match for 2.5 years at the end of the run the crowd would tune out. Its a long time to be a loser.

So: Put him over and you hurt a guy for nothing. He goes under and at some point people sleep through his matches. The guy isnt exactly Andre the Giant. His novelty has a much shorter leash.
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:27 PM   #366
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You really havent circumvented any of the issues there. You've created a frame work that work inside the issues but they remain all the same.

He cant work regularly so you cant safely set up anything beyond 1 match. So nothing long term. Every match he does needs to bookend itself. Because of this putting him over only devalues the guy he's working since Punk cant trade that momentum to someone else on the card. So you put him under. How many times can you do that before any value he might have had is well and truly gone? 5 times in a row max. If the Undertaker we're to job every match for 2.5 years at the end of the run the crowd would tune out. Its a long time to be a loser.

So: Put him over and you hurt a guy for nothing. He goes under and at some point people sleep through his matches. The guy isnt exactly Andre the Giant. His novelty has a much shorter leash.
1 match at a time might be a bit dramatic. I get where youíre coming from though in that it is way safer to plan for 1 match, which is an obstacle but not one that you absolutely canít get past. Thatís what I meant with the teaming with guys. In the case he does go over someone, that decision can be the trigger point for the losing wrestler to change direction. If Punk gets hurt, you just wait until next time. But if heís not hurt, you can go into the next program right away.

Itís not ideal, Iíll give you that. Iím not sure if even Punk will go for it (love him or hate him, he seems like someone who does want his programs to be full). I just donít think itís an impossibility. Itís good cause to move past him if you were looking for a reason though lol.
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:33 PM   #367
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He can’t be the A1 guy anymore. I totally agree with that. I wouldn’t even be interested in that if he weren’t falling apart. I’m way more interested in personal program 3rd from the top Punk.
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Old 09-23-2022, 09:18 PM   #368
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Nash was having a bit of fun on his podcast. He sorta was sympathizing in a way when he extrapolated further. But also, Nash is going on about being 55 in the ring. The dude didn’t exactly work a physically demanding style. Punk might not be a super athlete but he’s putting himself through the wringer more than Nash ever did.
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Nash was having a bit of fun on his podcast. He sorta was sympathizing in a way when he extrapolated further. But also, Nash is going on about being 55 in the ring. The dude didnít exactly work a physically demanding style. Punk might not be a super athlete but heís putting himself through the wringer more than Nash ever did.
I agree. Whatever you think about Punk, you canít say that heís lazy. The guy has really tried to make a run of things. Is his body holding up? Well, heís had two injuries. He might decide to work smarter and not harder (I personally wouldnít fault him for that), but you canít say the guy didnít give being a workhorse north of 40 a go.
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