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Old 09-16-2022, 11:29 AM   #4401
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I can understand being mad Punk was a flop in there, but I don’t know how I feel about being mad at a fighter trying to do their best to stand out. There probably wasn’t much you could do with Mike Jackson after this, but I get why he did what he did.
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Old 09-16-2022, 11:37 AM   #4402
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Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.
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Old 09-16-2022, 11:42 AM   #4403
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thats false. His record officially is 0-1. The 2nd fight was retroactively ruled a no contest.

That doesnt go on the books as a draw its stricken. Dana ruled to over turn the unanimous decision officially on the grounds of unsportsmanlike conduct.

The reasoning was Jackson humiliated punk to such an extreme by choosing not to finish punk on multiple occasions and instead dragging the fight out, with mockery like tickling him, that the fight on paper never occured and barred Mike Jackson from the UFC for life.

Jackson argued that is was a mercy. He claims had he gone in the for the KO punks inability to protect himself would have led to punk taking severe damage possibly CTE. Despite Jacksons kindness Punk was still hospitalizated after the fight.
Exactly, he was beaten so embarrassingly and thoroughly that no amount of Dana White decrees will ever change the fact that Phil took an L.
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Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.
Hmm, I get what you are saying, but I can just understand why Jackson was showboating. There was probably a happy middle-ground and larger picture that Jackson was missing in humiliating Punk.
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Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.
I always liked that argument that Mike Jackson disrespected their sport anymore than Dana White by giving an undeserving sideshow like Phil a UFC contract, then tried to position him against the weakest possible opponent he could find AFTER he got wrecked by a guy who came from Dana White's reality show (not the Ultimate Fighter reality show, the lesser known "Lookin' for a Fight" reality show).

That Mike Jackson high on weed so easily toyed with Dana White's disrespect to the sport resulted in Dana White fudging the record book does not save Phil any face whatsoever. He probably contacted Dana after every UFC PPV crying about it until 2 years later Dana hooked his friend up with a favor.

That motherfucking FEDBAD COLTBAD ELITEBAD hater is forever 0-2.
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Old 09-16-2022, 12:07 PM   #4406
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I think his 0-1 record is far more embarrassing than a 0-2 would have been.
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Old 09-16-2022, 02:18 PM   #4407
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Wait Punk's opponent got banned from UFC for life after that?

(I do not follow UFC at all.)
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Old 09-16-2022, 02:35 PM   #4408
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I can see Dana White being mad at himself, CM Punk and Punk’s camp too.
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Old 09-16-2022, 03:12 PM   #4410
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He was embarrassed by it for sure. I think he masked a lot of that with anger. It was humiliating for everyone involved. If he booked jackson again that would just be another cycle of people talking about the punk fight
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If Jackson got destroyed (which would probably happen), it doesn’t help matters.
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Old 09-16-2022, 06:47 PM   #4412
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He was embarrassed by it for sure. I think he masked a lot of that with anger. It was humiliating for everyone involved. If he booked jackson again that would just be another cycle of people talking about the punk fight
Dana only had himself to blame. Everybody saw it as a bad idea from the beginning. I get you like to masturbate furiously to yourself over how bad Punk was (thinly veiling that you believe you're much tougher), but it's a matter of an already past-his-physical prime guy with basically zero fight training fighting on a professional stage. Even against a can, no amount of time with Duke Roufus would've prepared him to do anything more than fight mediocrely at a low-level amateur tournament.
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Oh im much much tougher. You probably are too
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The valley between us is so wide we couldn't see one another in the distance.
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Old 09-16-2022, 07:23 PM   #4415
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Also punk trained in a world renowned camp full time for 4 years. "Basically 0 training."
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Old 09-16-2022, 07:25 PM   #4416
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But to one point youre right, rare as that is. Dana is to blame. They wanted a gate and not integrity and they got it.
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Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.
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Dana only had himself to blame. Everybody saw it as a bad idea from the beginning. I get you like to masturbate furiously to yourself over how bad Punk was (thinly veiling that you believe you're much tougher), but it's a matter of an already past-his-physical prime guy with basically zero fight training fighting on a professional stage. Even against a can, no amount of time with Duke Roufus would've prepared him to do anything more than fight mediocrely at a low-level amateur tournament.
I have never met Destor, but I can confidently say Destor is much tougher than Phil.
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Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.
I had no idea. Just looked it up and apparently when Dana says never its as credible as a wrestling retirement


Apparently he won by dq by getting kicked in the balls.
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Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.
I would love a modern day Dudley Boyz gimmick where clearly unrelated people pretend they are brothers based on their last names.
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I have never met Destor, but I can confidently say Destor is much tougher than Phil.
No embellishments: i dont think theyre are many adult men who arent. its easy to see a guy on tv and buy what you're being sold. They deliberately sell you that wrestlers are tough. Its the business model in its simplest form.



Punk is all work. There's no truth to it at all. He's all smoke and mirrors. He's the example of if you sell something well enough people will buy anything. And kudos to him for that. He's a great promo. In an alternate dimension he's probably the best manager of all time.
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No embellishments: i dont think theyre are many adult men who arent. its easy to see a guy on tv and buy what you're being sold. They deliberately sell you that wrestlers are tough. Its the business model in its simplest form.



Punk is all work. There's no truth to it at all. He's all smoke and mirrors. He's the example of if you sell something well enough people will buy anything. And kudos to him for that. He's a great promo. In an alternate dimension he's probably the best manager of all time.
100%, I knew he had no credibility going back to wrestling, but figured MAYBE they would have him be the biggest chicken shit cheating heel ever. Instead they literally book him as the toughest best guy, which is even easier to prove fake than proving Undertaker is actually alive in real life.
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You could've booked in really great ways. Pitting him against tougher (kayfabe) guys and having go over chicken shit AND THEN bragging about how tough/skilled he is...thats some heat. After the crowd turns him baby down the road maybe you can move forward organically. Instead we get a tired shtick that cant reasonably be bought. If the nature of the business is the suspension of disbelief i dont know how we're supposed to move forward.
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But tbf ive seen people on this forum no less claim the bucks are an all time great team so maybe some people will buy literally anything you sell them.
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It was Dean Barry, by the way. I got confused with Drew Carey, who could probably take them all.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:06 PM   #4426
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Punk as a manager would actually be fire. Never even thought about that before.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:07 PM   #4427
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The Young Bucks fucking suck. Just a reminder if people needed it.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:09 PM   #4428
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Punk was a great commentator too. His shelf-life in wrestling might not be long, but he’s an worthy investment for those non-physical roles.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:17 PM   #4429
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I think him in the booth could be heenan-esqu. He certainly gets what the guys need to get over
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:29 PM   #4430
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JR might be getting a little bit past it, but I would have loved to have seen what a JR/Punk team could have done. Ian Roccaboni and Punk could be great too.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:33 PM   #4431
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Loved when Punk was in the booth in like 2011. Would be on board with him doing that
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:45 PM   #4432
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If things smooth over with this current situation, I’d like to see him brought back that way.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:47 PM   #4433
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Objectively given how prone he is to injury even if youre a massive punk supporter you have to admit booking him at the top of your card is completely irresponsible. He's not going to work hurt. Fair enough; but he is going to get hurt. This is clear.
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Old 09-16-2022, 11:06 PM   #4434
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I think the role for him are personalized programs underneath. A follow-up to the stuff with Hobbs, team him with Starks, split them off, etc. He doesn’t need another World Title.
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Old 09-17-2022, 12:10 AM   #4435
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Making him a special attraction might be ok...i guess. I dont like the idea of building up guys to feed to him when you cant use that momentum upward but 2 or 3 matches a year he could probably handle for another 5 years or so. Clearly his body is going to fall apart pretty soon. Thats not a knock on him. Everyone implodes at some point. His expiration date is just clearly visible now.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:43 AM   #4436
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Well he was only back for, what? 1 and a bit matches in front of people? I don’t think he would want to depend on himself that way anymore.
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Old 09-17-2022, 12:19 PM   #4437
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Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.
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Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.
That is entirely possible. If somebody tunes in to one show and likes what they see, it certainly can inspire them to check out a show on a different night. It also helps that AEW is on a standard package cable channel. It is far easier to find TBS than Destination America or whatever channel Impact is on nowadays.
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Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.
Plus, people tuning in and NOT seeing Phil is a ratings positive for sure. As long as he is gone AEW shows will be much better, as evident by the immediately rising ratings without that turd
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Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.
This is possible. It’s just “wrestling” to a lot of people. You’ve just got more eyeballs on wrestling in general.
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