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Old 02-06-2022, 09:51 AM   #41
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Why is the ring so small? That will be annoying, no thanks.
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Old 02-06-2022, 11:18 AM   #42
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I think it looks fairly well proportioned. Could be the new angle?

I’m personally most intrigued the GM mode, so if that’s looking decent it might be a purchase for me.
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Old 02-06-2022, 04:19 PM   #43
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I think it looks fairly well proportioned. Could be the new angle?

I’m personally most intrigued the GM mode, so if that’s looking decent it might be a purchase for me.
True, if that is a good in depth sim that would likely be the funnest part.
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Old 02-06-2022, 05:47 PM   #44
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Old 02-07-2022, 09:02 AM   #45
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Interested to see XBox One footage as I’m guessing what we’ve seen so far is XBOX Series X/PS5.
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Old 02-07-2022, 09:39 AM   #46
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Demo or I wait until it's less than $9.99
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Yeah the graphics are nice and all but I highly doubt it looks anywhere near that good on PS4. And obviously, graphics will only get you so far. Need more gameplay footage and need to see honest reviews from YouTube. Like Chris Denker pulled no punches about how much the last few 2k games sucked, if he plays this one and thinks it's good that means more to me than some random video 2k themselves filmed.
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Is that DenkOps? I’ve been watching some of his stuff and BDE. I think they’ve both played the game and seem to be fairly pleased with it.
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Is that DenkOps? I’ve been watching some of his stuff and BDE. I think they’ve both played the game and seem to be fairly pleased with it.
Yes. AKA Chris Danger. He actually wrestles now in the new promotion newLEGACYinc created, DPW Fire. Amazing how far they've come from their humble roots.
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They seem to be doing this thing where they are drip-feeding the roster onto the website, some with ratings, some without. Is the rating reveal a big deal now? I know it can be with other properties, are they trying to mimic that or has it been a thing among the community?

GM deep dive tomorrow apparently. Looking forward to seeing what they got.
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So GM looks good BUT only seems to run for one season. Also, still doesn’t seem like they’ve done a full roster reveal.
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Old 02-17-2022, 07:31 AM   #54
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lol, like every stupid release.




Look, if they'd take the time to work an engine that can be for this game only (its insanely unique) and then have "roster updates" available as either:


A) A "live service" type thing. Live services game tend to be shit, but a streamlined roster update capability would be nice.


B) DLC - take money from this to keep supporting the devs who can refine the engine, making it better over time.




Playable demo or GTFO
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:21 AM   #55
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They'd have to get rid of Community Creations for a live service model to be profitable. That would be a death sentence.
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Why tho?


They don't feel mutually exclusive. You still wouldn't get everyone with updates, and that'd still leave room, tons, for creations. Especially with that community being passionate, I can see them saying "lol in-game model sux0rz" and making their own, better, improved versions.
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Yeah there’s some middle ground. They could do aesthetic/gimmick updates for models already in the game. There’s still room for the community to be doing your AEW/NJPW/Impact/Legends stuff.
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Gimmick and attire updates are already covered by CC. Why would anyone pay for official releases of that stuff when the created content looks just as good?

I just don't think there's enough money to be made, to match what they get from annual releases.

It's the same problem with sports titles. It should be a 20 dollar update every year. But as long as so many people are willing to pay $60, why would they?
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Madden has been unplayable garbage for YEARS and people still fork over $60 a year plus way more for Madden Ultimate Team nonsense.

So EA stills sells copies and makes a profit despite themselves. Which they then use as ammo to get EA to extend the exclusivity deal another 5-10 years. And therefore 2k still can't get another crack at an NFL game when NFL 2k5 is still heavily praised all these years later.

It's infuriating. All I want is a good NFL game. Not lazy bullshit.
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Gimmick and attire updates are already covered by CC. Why would anyone pay for official releases of that stuff when the created content looks just as good?

I just don't think there's enough money to be made, to match what they get from annual releases.

It's the same problem with sports titles. It should be a 20 dollar update every year. But as long as so many people are willing to pay $60, why would they?
To a point. You’re always limited with hairstyles, no update to music, entrances, etc. I’m not even really saying in place of an annual release, I can see the business case for yearly releases.
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I never thought people would pay so much money for fucking SKINS in a first-person game.
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Gimmick and attire updates are already covered by CC. Why would anyone pay for official releases of that stuff when the created content looks just as good?

I just don't think there's enough money to be made, to match what they get from annual releases.

It's the same problem with sports titles. It should be a 20 dollar update every year. But as long as so many people are willing to pay $60, why would they?
It's not like this sort of thing isn't already done either. This is a pretty neat scam.
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I never thought people would pay so much money for fucking SKINS in a first-person game.
And if people could create and upload their own skins, they would not be able to get away with it.

We arrived at this juncture because at some point, the gaming community was brainwashed into thinking that charging for new content that's gameplay related is bad, and too easily abused, and that extra content should be cosmetic only.

Thus, $15 dollar skins. And now an entire generation of gamers has grown up thinking its normal and acceptable.
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You can do this in Roblox, for example. You can create and upload nearly anything you want. You can purchase content from specific creators, or do your own. It's worked well as they've went from 30 million to 3 billion in revenue generation in just 5 years.
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You're comparing two very different games with very different levels of mass market appeal. And I'd wager that most of the money roblox makes, comes from purchasable skins and avatar parts, just like all live service games.

But skins serve a different purpose in wrestling games. In most games its just a way to make your character look different and stand out. But in wrestling games people create stuff to reflect the real life product. So any cosmetic updates they release will have already been made on CC. Will the official product look better? Sure. $15 better? Nope. That's why Parts and Move Craft were the last dlc released for fire pro, once all the licensed stuff was done.

You could reliably sell new moves, but I can't think of much else. Point is, their current model is just more profitable for them. Blame all the people still buying this crap for that.
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And the CC from WWE2kAnything is not even close to FirePro. I feel like those are two very different targeted audiences. Don't feel like everything would need to be $15 either, as lower pricing for various parts low for an easy buy-in and that's all it takes.



Guarandamntee you, they could do both, easily. It will appeal to the lowest common denominator and people will spend money on stupid shit, regardless.
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I’m surprised that more games don’t do it tbf. The game is already outdated and it’s not out for another month. King Nakamura (gimmick), WALTER (name), Mandy Rose (hair), Mansoor (hair), Xavier Woods (gimmick), Humberto (gimmick) just from what we’ve already seen. I’ve usually bought some of the DLC character packs in the past, all depends on what they are and what they cost. If they get the content:cost ratio right there’s money to be made. Even if they only support it up to 3 months after launch.
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It’s very much trying to rinse a little bit more money out of an ever decreasing niche, which is pretty much the operating model of modern wrestling.
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And the CC from WWE2kAnything is not even close to FirePro. I feel like those are two very different targeted audiences. Don't feel like everything would need to be $15 either, as lower pricing for various parts low for an easy buy-in and that's all it takes.



Guarandamntee you, they could do both, easily. It will appeal to the lowest common denominator and people will spend money on stupid shit, regardless.
It wouldn't need to be $15, but it's 2k. It absolutely would be $15.
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I get the argument that pretty much everything is available through creations; 2K19 still has some top notch versions of the new United States and Inconsequential Championships despite the game being over 3 year old, but they don’t fit the models as well as the game designers can make them.

You can usually get a good approximation of a costume, but things like hair are another thing altogether. Also I get that that’s part of the development model; make the last game outdated so that people feel the need to buy the lastest version.

It’ll be interesting to see what sales are like this time around. 2K20 was the first year since 1998 that I didn’t buy at least one new wrestling game. Going back to WCW vs nWo Revenge and WWF Warzone, through WrestleMania 2000 and No Mercy, and every instalment of the SmackDown/SmackDown vs Raw/WWE #/2K. The reviews and fan backlash surrounding 20 stopped me from buying even when it went dirt cheap.

You can read the skepticism from this thread and every YouTube video covering the game; people are hesitant. Personally I’ve preordered. I think the GM mode will be fun, and I can usually form the Universe mode into something resembling fun. Having not had a new wrestling game for 3 years and still getting some enjoyment from 2K19 I’m going for it, but there will be a good chunk of the audience that have moved on.
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I'm getting this one but only because I haven't bought a wrestling game since like 2013 or 14. Need a new one to tinker with from time to time.
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I'm getting this one but only because I haven't bought a wrestling game since like 2013 or 14. Need a new one to tinker with from time to time.
You'd be better off getting WWE 2K19 "IMHO".
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2K19 was so good.
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GM Mode

-Only 3 matches per show for TV, 4 for PPV, 5 for Mania
-Just a male and female title, no secondary titles (no IC/US etc)
-Singles and tag matches only, no triple threat or fatal four way

They had 2 years to make this mode and omitted basic features that were in GM Mode 15 fucking years ago.

But hey, now they can promote these obvious features as NEW AND EXCITING additions for WWE 2k23!
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Literally all they had to do was take Universe Mode and add GM elements to it. Ridiculous.
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GM Mode

-Only 3 matches per show for TV, 4 for PPV, 5 for Mania
-Just a male and female title, no secondary titles (no IC/US etc)
-Singles and tag matches only, no triple threat or fatal four way

They had 2 years to make this mode and omitted basic features that were in GM Mode 15 fucking years ago.

But hey, now they can promote these obvious features as NEW AND EXCITING additions for WWE 2k23!
Oh man that’s disappointing.

I can understand why though. It looks like they’ve added some elements of strategy to it with having to pair styles together to get the best outcome, that would be made difficult with multi-person matches. Or is that just the starting position? I know things like gimmick matches cost more so you have to earn/unlock them.
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Old 02-22-2022, 12:10 PM   #79
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They also had something called Superstar Mode under the Universe mode where you can basically lock in as one character you want to focus on and just run all the stuff around that one person. Everything else will progress on it's own based on whatever decision you make for that person.
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I saw it described somewhere as basically being a more in-depth version of the old story mode from Here Comes The Pain.
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