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Old 09-07-2022, 10:04 PM   #201
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Electric promo to open up. Lots of good wrassling. Some cool stuff being set up for Arthur Ashe. Very happy with this ep. Hell I’ll have to give Rampage a shot again since they seemed to put together a strong card for it.
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:11 PM   #202
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:13 PM   #203
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:22 PM   #204
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:30 PM   #205
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Disappointed we did not get any word on punishment or using any of it to their advantage. That said, enjoyable episode.

I like that Stokely and crew seem to have just been hired guns for MJF and not a new stable for him.

Even without Jericho spoiling it, there is no way Hangman was winning. Even though he wasn't there and wasn't punished, it would be a bad look to reward him with a victory right away.

Pac is a double champion and still completely underutilized.

Where the Hell is Miro again? Black quit so his fued with House of Black is ober, but damn get that dude in a new angle immediately. For him to not even be on the show is inexcusable.
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Old 09-07-2022, 10:55 PM   #206
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:03 PM   #207
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I gotta admit that you and noid have something. you watch the show and he reviews it.

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Old 09-07-2022, 11:05 PM   #208
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:06 PM   #209
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If anyone other than a mark was running this company it would be the hottest thing since 98
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:06 PM   #210
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:13 PM   #211
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:14 PM   #212
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You have an angle fall in your lap with believable heat that can be molded into a sellable blood fued with a babyface that needs a credibility boost and instead you shelve all the talent involved and kill your top program while stripping everyone of their belts.

I hope this is a reactionary statement but any hope i had that the industry could turn itself around might have died permanently. At this moment i think thw industry cannot recover. There's no carnies running it and the marks in charge dont get it.

And i really want to say this one more time: this choice emphatically states that everything on their show is bullshit and if anything real ever happens youll know because we'll axe them for it.
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:23 PM   #213
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:25 PM   #214
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Only way to salvage this is for them return at Grand Slam with Punk now leading the Elite. Have Punk cost MJF from cashing in and The Elite bust up the Trios match between Death Triangle and FTR and Wardlow. Pinnacle back together against The Elite and Punk.
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:28 PM   #215
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What a boring total shit episode. The main event was the two guys most devoid of personality on the roster.

You can't fix all your problems by having a couple of "good wrestling matches" and think that's gonna dig you out. I'm officially out on AEW at this point save for MJF. I'm actually really sad about that because it was straight fire for years. They could turn it around and maybe I'll pay take a gander at what they can put together for Full Gear but there's nothing of substance here.

Destor is in fact correct here. Combine that with how badly they've botched just about everything else and there really isn't much here for me.
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:30 PM   #216
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What a boring total shit episode. The main event was the two guys most devoid of personality on the roster.

You can't fix all your problems by having a couple of "good wrestling matches" and think that's gonna dig you out. I'm officially out on AEW at this point save for MJF. I'm actually really sad about that because it was straight fire for years. They could turn it around and maybe I'll pay take a gander at what they can put together for Full Gear but there's nothing of substance here.

Destor is in fact correct here. Combine that with how badly they've botched just about everything else and there really isn't much here for me.
I may be done with any wrestling made after 9/7/22.this just crushes my soul. Im floored by this.
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:32 PM   #217
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I think its flat out garbage that they made the wrong call in the tag match at All Out so they're going to try to make up for it with a Ghostbusters 2 type match at Grand Slam. Yeah, maybe Swerve does some heel things and they keep the titles but you can't capture the lightning in a jar moment that they had at All Out. They aren't going to be able to replicate that. They'll try and it won't be bad but it won't be anywhere near what number 1 was.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:11 AM   #219
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I get what you're saying Destor, but look at the people involved. Some of the most defensive, thin skinned people in the business today. I don't think they are capable of putting issues aside for the sake of business.

Also, not sure why this is surprising. Its not the territories or even the 90's. Its the age of corporate wrestling. WB/Discovery was already breathing down their necks about certain issues before this event. If Tony didn't take action, they'd really be in the shit.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it sucks donkey balls for classic wrestling fans. Its just the reality of it.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:18 AM   #221
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HOWEVER

I cannot fully express my anger at leaving Butcher off this show.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:20 AM   #222
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Like if you want to feature someone from Buffalo, why would you not pick the guy who is more interesting, and different than most of your roster?
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I get what you're saying Destor, but look at the people involved. Some of the most defensive, thin skinned people in the business today. I don't think they are capable of putting issues aside for the sake of business.

Also, not sure why this is surprising. Its not the territories or even the 90's. Its the age of corporate wrestling. WB/Discovery was already breathing down their necks about certain issues before this event. If Tony didn't take action, they'd really be in the shit.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it sucks donkey balls for classic wrestling fans. Its just the reality of it.
put enough 0s on the table and everyone comes over to eat. Add inthe chance to do something LEGENDARY. Career defining. Hell generation defining. A smart man would have found a way.

Matt Hardy and Edge worked a program despite their bad blood...lets ignore how it was mishandled and just remember how hot that was. If it has been different talent and handled better we'd never stop thinking about it.

The Outsiders brought that same kind of energy. You thought...wait maybe this isnt bullshit like the rest of it. That's what we were on the verge of here. Something thats so rare it in this environment we get it decades apart at best.

admittedly my hope had a rope around its neck for some time. With AEW initially i thought Cody was going to bring an old school booking style into a modern era. Or could potentially at the least. That was dashed obviously.

After that my hope clung to the hope that the boys. With no one to put the brakes on them they could craft angles that genuinely worked. A lot of workers still know what its like to get heat and how to chase that dragon. The show might be disjointed but magic might happen in a murpheys law sort of way.

But this..."we wont chase it. We dont want it. Fuck that." I dont know how to process this. Its hate fucking a corpse. Its like lighting a million dollars on fire and spitting on the audience and anyone who wants to earn a living in the business while youre at it.

A rising tide raises all ships and drowns you even quicker.

And dont get me started on the wwf. There's no hope for anything genuine being created there. Theyre publicly traded. I have no clue how you book anything memorable in that environment. Too many chiefs not enough indians.

I dont know what would have been but i know potential and like i said before this is the biggest missed opportunity since starrcade 97.
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And to see wrestlers doing wrestler shit and it get handled like an hr department...kill me now
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:35 AM   #225
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Yeah, maybe they could have worked it out. The bigger issue is corporate side of it. AEW may not be publically traded but because of their dependance on the tv deal, theres going to be limits to what they can do. Maybe if they weren't already in hot water due to all the chilish swearing, but they are and this got more than enough attention where WB is paying very close attention.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:38 AM   #226
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Maybe being a long time gamer and WWE fan, Im just used to the corporate side making things monumentally worse, and at this point I don't have the energy to be angry at it, when I can't do anything to change.
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I dont see a blood feud hurting that they run fake ones just fine
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Said maybe way too many times.

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Maybe being a long time gamer and WWE fan, Im just used to the corporate side making things monumentally worse, and at this point I don't have the energy to be angry at it, when I can't do anything to change.
im not claiming having hope wasnt a mistake. You're right.
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I dont see a blood feud hurting that they run fake ones just fine
The feud itself isn't the problem, but rather how public the incident was and public perception of how the parties involved are held accountable.

Again not my thought process, but that's how the people keeping AEW on air are seeing it. I've worked with these robots enough to know how they think.
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Tell em its work. Itll be true as soon as the guys come to terms. (And soon and they start making money they'll come to terms.)
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Will they though?

Does anyone outside of the fans they already have know who these guys are or give a shit that they have real issues?
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Avant-garde is the only way to progress at this point anyways. Its not possible with the talent writing currently but these pressers where they drop all the kayfabe and shoot straight, theyre the only avenue for real heat when you look it objectively. Its where the audience thinks things are real. The only place. That means its the only place you can work them over.
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Will they though?

Does anyone outside of the fans they already have know who these guys are or give a shit that they have real issues?
If no one gives a shit that would include these theoretical suits
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Unless someone in the room actually invoked the law and is pressing charges/suing/lawyering up then this route was totally the way to go.

If no one is pressing charges and does not want to involve the law...

God Damn Tony Khan! You should have put them in a room, told ALL of them that I can fire everyone or we can squash this right now, be professional and turn this into the biggest fucking money making angle/feud ever in modern/recent day times.

If not, GO FUCKING HOME FOREVER I'll write you all off and move onto the pushing the other 50 talented as fuck wrestlers on the roster who don't get into childish fights.
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Avant-garde is the only way to progress at this point anyways. Its not possible with the talent writing currently but these pressers where they drop all the kayfabe and shoot straight, theyre the only avenue for real heat when you look it objectively. Its where the audience thinks things are real. The only place. That means its the only place you can work them over.
This I definitely agree with. Wrestlers of yesteryear had to convince audiences that what they were seeing is real. Wrestlers of today have to make them forget its not, which some would argue is a more difficult task. So they have to adapt to changing times and use whatever method they can to make fans feel how they want them to. Because to me at least, thats the most important part, and where the art in wrestling lies.
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Unless someone in the room actually invoked the law and is pressing charges/suing/lawyering up then this route was totally the way to go.

If no one is pressing charges and does not want to involve the law...

God Damn Tony Khan! You should have put them in a room, told ALL of them that I can fire everyone or we can squash this right now, be professional and turn this into the biggest fucking money making angle/feud ever in modern/recent day times.

If not, GO FUCKING HOME FOREVER I'll write you all off and move onto the pushing the other 50 talented as fuck wrestlers on the roster who don't get into childish fights.
That's a big if. Wouldn't be surprised if there are legal issues preventing them from doing anything with this creatively.
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Especially true given punks involvement
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Bucks also seem bitch enough to call the cops
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...the thought of that offends my soul though
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