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01-18-2020, 06:32 AM | #1 |
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Can someone recommend an example of a match that someone like Jim Cornette really likes?
Can someone link me to a video (YouTube, WWE Network, whatever) of an example of a good match that people who hate Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks and stuff think is good?
Always been really curious what their idea of a really good wrestling match is Going into this with a completely open mind and want to check out that type of stuff... Thank you |
01-18-2020, 07:17 AM | #2 |
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This is supposed to be his favorite match If you read the comments (!!!) A couple make the important point that without context of the rest of their matches and the crowds buying into the fued way more than fans do now make it hard to appreciate the match as it was 40 years ago |
01-18-2020, 10:47 AM | #3 |
It's a blood match!
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Is there any match that is within the past year that he has hailed as "great"?
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01-18-2020, 01:22 PM | #4 | |
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01-18-2020, 05:22 PM | #5 |
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I've seen that Lawler Funk match. Even out of context, it's a fun match.
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01-18-2020, 06:18 PM | #6 |
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Flair vs Funk "I Quit" match.
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01-18-2020, 06:21 PM | #7 |
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Can't go wrong with Midnights vs Rock and Roll Express |
01-18-2020, 06:38 PM | #8 |
boop/bop/beep
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I prefer the older stuff where guys don't fucking kill themselves. Though I love watching Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero, but those guys didn't necessarily depend solely on highspots and could work that "oldschool" style.
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01-18-2020, 07:51 PM | #9 |
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Cornette likes all sorts of stuff. I know you're just asking for guys like Cornette, but he did a list of his five star matches. One from the WWF that made it was Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin from WrestleMania 13.
He likes a lot more "exotic" stuff than people realize too. He's never been too crash hot on lucha libre, but he used to collect all the tapes from Japan until that kind of went belly-up in the 90's. Loved seeing the biggest stars from around the world go there and have matches you just couldn't see in the US. He also really loved Tiger Mask vs. Dynamite Kid. Another of his five star matches. I think it's worth bringing up because it's got "flippy stuff," but Cornette likes it because it's more like their fighting style and not a choreographed dance routine. It's all about psychology and logic with Cornette. If you could do it in a fight, Corny would approve. If it requires you standing around waiting for a guy to jump on you with your arms outstretched so he doesn't hurt his head, then you've probably made some philosophical errors somewhere. |
01-18-2020, 09:02 PM | #10 |
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I recall him loving the Revival vs American Alpha NXT matches
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01-19-2020, 03:53 AM | #11 |
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01-19-2020, 06:04 AM | #12 |
king of sucks
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an he likes the briscos
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01-19-2020, 08:47 AM | #13 | |
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Very true on Dynamite/Tiger Mask matches... They do so much of the floppy stuff that we see today but they do it HARD with intention to get a pin. If you haven't, please type in Dynamite vs Tiger Mask ... There are so many and I've never seen a bad one but I loved Tigers first match at MSG. Commentary is blown away by everything they do. |
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01-19-2020, 09:21 AM | #14 |
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Didn't he approve of Melina vs. Alicia Fox?
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01-19-2020, 11:19 AM | #15 |
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01-19-2020, 11:25 AM | #16 |
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01-19-2020, 11:27 AM | #17 |
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Just from that still image you can see that dude has a welt on his eye and a busted mouth
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01-19-2020, 01:31 PM | #18 |
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I remember you bringing that to previously. Watching those jobbers get pelted is something else.
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01-19-2020, 01:57 PM | #19 |
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I got into the Memphis stuff on Amazon last year. Jobber beatings and Tony Falk, the world's greatest loser. Memphis 86 had it all.
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01-19-2020, 02:41 PM | #20 |
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Memphis and Mid South were neck and neck for the best weekly t.v in the 80s
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01-19-2020, 02:43 PM | #21 |
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01-19-2020, 04:41 PM | #22 | |
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01-19-2020, 05:41 PM | #23 |
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I'm pretty sure he also watches the Midnight Express vs. The Road Warriors from Starrcade '86 with a prideful tear in his eye.
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01-19-2020, 06:54 PM | #24 |
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01-19-2020, 06:55 PM | #25 |
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Just find something that makes sense. He prob likes it
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01-19-2020, 06:55 PM | #26 |
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01-19-2020, 07:42 PM | #27 | |
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I’ll read the thread more later but on quick glance, I did not see any of the Flair-Steamboat trilogy. Noid mentioned Bret vs Austin from WM 13 which is universally loved. Without trying to make this a “Cornette is right” post, if you watch a Young Bucks match and then watch any of these suggestions, you should see a huge, glaring difference regardless of which you personally prefer. Though I do think he’s a little hard on Omega because of his history. |
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01-19-2020, 07:44 PM | #28 |
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01-19-2020, 07:54 PM | #29 | |
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Would probably be the same with Ibushi if he ever had to review one of his matches. Working comedy matches in the past prevents him from watching one of their serious matches with a clear mind. |
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01-19-2020, 08:12 PM | #30 | |
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He's been complimentary to Lio Rush, who he has torn apart on two separate occasions. He doesn't have much love for Enzo Amore (without knowing him), but admits that he could be an excellent heel manager. When it comes to Ibushi, I do like him when he's against someone like Tanahashi or Okada, but when he's in there with a Will Ospreay I have to skip it. I just don't find him believable. I think that baffles some people who think of these guys as universally good, and when they get criticism it must be coming from some sort of dark and skewered place. |
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01-20-2020, 03:53 AM | #31 |
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With Omega and those of that ilk hes lost the ability to be objective. Too much of a grudge at this point.
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01-20-2020, 09:27 AM | #32 |
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The Experience has become unlistenable because of it.
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01-20-2020, 10:58 AM | #33 |
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01-20-2020, 02:03 PM | #34 | |
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I can't speak to his current involvement but the arrogant jobber who would lose matches through hubris long after he could have won was just a 10/10 gimmick that would work in any era. Mid South 82 was damned good stuff, but that Memphis 86 is just unbeatable. Landel and Dundee man, it's realistic because it fucking hurts. |
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01-20-2020, 02:07 PM | #35 | |
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Drive Thru is still decent because of the song contest. Actually I think if you just listen to the song contest it's a much better show. |
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01-20-2020, 02:10 PM | #36 |
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It sucks because when he starts talking about something relevant or of value, it's awesome.
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01-20-2020, 03:28 PM | #37 |
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Exactly. Just talk classic wrestling. It's so SO much better when he sticks to that.
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01-20-2020, 11:27 PM | #38 |
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01-20-2020, 11:33 PM | #39 |
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I think he said he enjoyed these
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01-20-2020, 11:41 PM | #40 | |
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Last weeks was very interesting with the Tessa shit. |
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