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Old 02-19-2020, 05:59 PM   #2401
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Have like 3 episodes of Dynamite on my PVR that I haven't watched......
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Old 02-19-2020, 06:11 PM   #2402
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The old cage is shit. You cant work with it. The mesh is way better
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Old 02-19-2020, 06:30 PM   #2403
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:02 PM   #2404
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I preferred the blue bars growing up but began appreciating the chain link fence style more as an adult. Funny that the more family friendly cage hurt more.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:54 AM   #2405
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The old cage also took like 9 years to set up right before the match.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:54 AM   #2406
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I remember this one time we were taping the local rassling fed for TV, and they had a cage match. It took them forever to put it together. They had one guy with a screwdriver. Eventually they came to us and asked if we had another screwdriver.

Like, WTF... you knew you had to put together a cage tonight, prepare and bring a drill or something.
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Old 02-22-2020, 09:32 PM   #2407
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I can't post the video but I had no idea Orange Cassidy could be Matt Riddles brother.
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Old 02-24-2020, 04:52 PM   #2408
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I remember this one time we were taping the local rassling fed for TV, and they had a cage match. It took them forever to put it together. They had one guy with a screwdriver. Eventually they came to us and asked if we had another screwdriver.

Like, WTF... you knew you had to put together a cage tonight, prepare and bring a drill or something.

Hahahahaha... screwdriver...
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:51 AM   #2409
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:46 AM   #2410
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:47 AM   #2411
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Oh good..cause Wal Mart still has WWE figures from 7 years ago in their clearance bin. I'm sure they'll find a nice home there
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:06 PM   #2412
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AEW's first "major" signing since their on-air debut is Lance Archer. The 43 year old cousin of Kid Kash with a tramp stamp. The Ellis Island of Professional Wrestling, folks.
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:13 PM   #2413
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Lance Archer made a post saying that "EVERYBODYDIES." Matt Hardy is marketing himself as "UNKILLABLE." I think I've found the special attraction for Double or Nothing II.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:05 PM   #2414
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Lance Archer was shit hot over the past year and was one of the brightest spots in the G1. Good move for both sides.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:10 PM   #2415
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Should Brodie Lee sign there I am all for some crazy ass Brodie/Archer brawls.
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM   #2416
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“major”... I’ll always appreciate the time you were objective, but damn, if you haven’t become fucking pathetic and a awful cocksucker of WWE, McMahons, and HHH.
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:22 PM   #2417
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:50 PM   #2418
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I don't slap... outside of slapping complaints, other pleadings, and subpoenas, et al., on to opposing, or potentially opposing counsel and/or parties, of which Noid is obviously not currently, in any remote dispute/disagreement with me personally. Noid is still a good person, and I appreciate his opinion, even if I don't agree with it, and/or think he's simply wrong.
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“major”... I’ll always appreciate the time you were objective, but damn, if you haven’t become fucking pathetic and a awful cocksucker of WWE, McMahons, and HHH.
I don't think I'm the one that's lost impartiality. Brings back memories of this:

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I'll call the WWE out for being shit. That doesn't make AEW good.
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Old 02-27-2020, 03:57 AM   #2421
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I remember when Giant Bernard got really good in Japan. That Doc Gallows is tearing it up too.
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AEW's big weakness when it comes to talent is that they didn't break bank in a sensible way from the start. They hired all The Bucks' and Omega's friends and gave themselves a low-rent look from the start.

I'm pretty sure they expected CM Punk to sign with them. All the Chicago-based stuff and them being a good sized promotion running against Vince. But Punk has always carried himself with a bit of dignity and taken his wrestling pretty seriously. It's pretty insulting when you have a bunch of no-marks flopping around and making it look easy and trivial.

They've also missed out on every significant free agent. They've all signed with either WWE or ROH. AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, The Usos, Luke Gallows, Karl Anderson, Randy Orton, Cain Velasquez, Killer Kross, Scarlett Bordeaux, Marty Scurll and probably many more I'm forgetting off the top of my head. Rey Mysterio probably knew this thing was coming about. He signed with WWE. Daniel Bryan probably got wind of it. He signed with WWE.

I mean, at some point you've got to accept the hand you've got and play the best you can, which might be Vance Archer, Matt Hardy and Luke Harper (if ROH doesn't swoop in and take him). But that's kind of their fault.
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AEW's big weakness when it comes to talent is that they didn't break bank in a sensible way from the start. They hired all The Bucks' and Omega's friends and gave themselves a low-rent look from the start.

I'm pretty sure they expected CM Punk to sign with them. All the Chicago-based stuff and them being a good sized promotion running against Vince. But Punk has always carried himself with a bit of dignity and taken his wrestling pretty seriously. It's pretty insulting when you have a bunch of no-marks flopping around and making it look easy and trivial.

They've also missed out on every significant free agent. They've all signed with either WWE or ROH. AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, The Usos, Luke Gallows, Karl Anderson, Randy Orton, Cain Velasquez, Killer Kross, Scarlett Bordeaux, Marty Scurll and probably many more I'm forgetting off the top of my head. Rey Mysterio probably knew this thing was coming about. He signed with WWE. Daniel Bryan probably got wind of it. He signed with WWE.

I mean, at some point you've got to accept the hand you've got and play the best you can, which might be Vance Archer, Matt Hardy and Luke Harper (if ROH doesn't swoop in and take him). But that's kind of their fault.
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Meltzer speculated Revolution might end up with around 80-85k ppv buys as a worst case scenario due to the big hit they very likely are going to take from the UK market since ITV shut down their ppv service there.

FITE is carrying the event for the UK and internationally but he doesn't think it will fully make up the 20k in buys from that region.

He also did speculate that the US could end up carrying the load from the UK as a potential scenario as well based on how well the tv build for the event was compared to Full Gear.
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Meltzer is either setting the bar really low so that when AEW gets 100k worldwide buys he can act spellbound by how amazing it is, or he's bracing for impact.

The show has been built around Jericho/Moxley and Cody/MJF. One of them is a WWE-style program around two guys from the WWE that people know, while the other has the most protected babyface going against the best heel they've got. It's got a real shot at doing some business, even if the TV has lost people and Full Gear didn't do that amazing coming off that initial boost.

I'm more interested to see how they do with Double or Nothing II, as there will be that year-to-year comparison. But this buyrate is hard to predict. Especially since Meltzer stopped reporting the data clearly, because it led to things like revealing that there was a <30% retention rate for All Out. They only have so many potential fans and first-time buyers to burn through.

The number will tell an interesting story, but you're probably not going to hear Meltzer tell it. He's already settled on the "UK is down" narrative. If domestic buys are down, that won't explain a single thing, but I don't expect that to be addressed.

And no, I do not hate Meltzer. He's just very clearly biased and angling stories to make AEW look more pristine than they are. That's obvious. The extent of his Full Gear reporting was basically "It's about the same as All Out," wasn't it?
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Unlike Noid, I do hate Dave Meltzer. He is a con artist and the furthest thing from an impartial journalist. I think he is trash and has zero credibility professionally.

There is a reason "plans change, that will be $11.99" is a meme, cause the dude is a joke.
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Meltzer clearly gets inside information. He's been right about lots of things. This seems weirdly insignificant, but Randy Orton winning the 2017 Royal Rumble always comes to mind. I'd have no clue that was happening if Meltzer didn't report it. But more and more Meltzer seems to be going to the odds-makers because they seem to know way more than he does.

I don't expect him to be unbiased. I really don't. And I can understand when he has to cover so many hours of this shit that he wants the underdogs to succeed. And they're his friends, so he's going to curve towards them. I actually don't mind that. But that doesn't mean he can't report things as they happen. He doesn't need to flat-out lie about the AEW side to make them look better and the WWE side to make them look worse. And, for the most part, I do think he does a decent job of that. But I dunno, maybe I should be madder at him?

He does need to keep himself relevant, and his latest way of doing that has been to appeal to the smarks. They're the ones that subscribe. So he tells them that AEW wins in the key demos but SmackDown is down in viewership (despite SmackDown doing better in the key demos in its slot than AEW does in its). He'll tell them that Randy Orton is a money-hungry grub and AEW was too smart to sign him, but then Tony Khan will come out on Twitter and whinge about being played. AEW can "get everyone they want." Marty Scurll re-signs with ROH. Vince McMahon is taking over NXT. Nope.

It's tough when you're reporting on what used to be such a secretive business, because a lot of the time you will be reporting hearsay and rumors from guys lower on the pecking order with an axe to grind. It would actually take a lot of discernment and talent to be able to separate the fact from the fiction there. But lately Meltzer has just been rankling me with the "AEW is winning" narrative, which is very clearly a rosy-glassed view of things.

* Their TV deal only for $45 million a year. That might be fine to have in your personal bank account, but it's chump change for a TV deal -- especially when you are going to be offering more content. When you factor in that back in 2016 it cost $880k to run your average Raw, if you multiply that by 51, you get...$44.9 million. Coincidence? Maybe. But it sounds to me a lot like the Saudi announcement WWE made when they got stranded. It was details already known, but they just came out and said it to make it sound new and like a development.

* The TV ratings "war" between these two shows is ridiculous. Nielsen themselves suggest a 10% era of margin either way on their reporting. This isn't like the Monday Night Wars when the WWF would register a 4.9 and WCW would be getting a 3.5 or whatever. These ratings are within a stone's throw from each other each week and a narrative is being painted of AEW far and away having the larger fan-base. Meanwhile WWE is still killing them with Raw and SmackDown, which should be shameful with the state those shows are reportedly in most weeks.

It's just exhausting seeing the myth reported as reality. I get that fans want AEW to do well, Meltzer among them. But it doesn't help them, nor does it help wrestling, for them to be dishonest about what it's achieved and the direction it is trending. That will just end in a further monopoly for Vince.
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Just because Meltzer gets things right from time to time doesn't mean anything other than he guessed correctly.

I figured Jericho would be the first AEW champ, and it turned out I was right. That doesn't mean I have a source, it just means I figured correctly.
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AEW are releasing an action figure of Chris Jericho with his bottle of wine. There is so much that is funny about that.
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Just because Meltzer gets things right from time to time doesn't mean anything other than he guessed correctly.

I figured Jericho would be the first AEW champ, and it turned out I was right. That doesn't mean I have a source, it just means I figured correctly.
There is stuff that goes beyond a guess though. He knew about the plan to fuck over Goldberg in, like, June of that year. That's going back a while, but that's one that always jumps out at me. Taker vs. AJ would have been a weird guess to make only for it to come true.

He clearly gets SOMETHING out of people.
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"Mommy! Mommy! Can I get this one!?"
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Just because Meltzer gets things right from time to time doesn't mean anything other than he guessed correctly.

I figured Jericho would be the first AEW champ, and it turned out I was right. That doesn't mean I have a source, it just means I figured correctly.
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Meltzer is either setting the bar really low so that when AEW gets 100k worldwide buys he can act spellbound by how amazing it is, or he's bracing for impact ...

The number will tell an interesting story, but you're probably not going to hear Meltzer tell it. He's already settled on the "UK is down" narrative. If domestic buys are down, that won't explain a single thing, but I don't expect that to be addressed.

And no, I do not hate Meltzer. He's just very clearly biased and angling stories to make AEW look more pristine than they are. That's obvious. The extent of his Full Gear reporting was basically "It's about the same as All Out," wasn't it?
The 15-20k range is what the UK's share of AEW PPV buys have been since they started. Meltzer also doesn't think FITE is a strong enough replacement for the region at least for the time being which is how he came up with his low end estimate for the show.

If they manage to get around 100k again, then that means either their US PPV market grew or their international market managed to pick up the slack or both. That would be a pretty great sign since it means tv has grown their PPV market. If they hit that 80k range, then it means they managed to remain steady but haven't really grown yet despite the tv presence.
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What I am saying is please buy it if you can instead of pirate.
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Well, I think it's important to add if it's something you feel is worth buying. Don't go $50 out of pocket for something that is going to sour you. That's just going to dry up the well quicker and condition them to think that their job selling this stuff has been effective.

Buy it if you want to buy it. If you don't, don't.
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