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Old 01-08-2020, 09:47 PM   #121
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:47 PM   #122
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Bash at the Beach match graphics looked cool. Really like how colorful and lively AEW's show and match graphics are compared to WWE.


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Old 01-08-2020, 09:47 PM   #123
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Sammy doing the sign thing reminds me to that INXS music video Mediate.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:49 PM   #125
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Loving Sammy's Sign Guy commercial break gimmick.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:51 PM   #126
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:52 PM   #127
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:52 PM   #128
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:53 PM   #129
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:54 PM   #130
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Wait ... Moxley said yes.

That Inner Circle shirt looks really good.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:54 PM   #131
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Consider me shocked.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:54 PM   #132
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I guess Death Rider Jon Moxley Leader of Bullet Club ain't happening.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:56 PM   #133
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:58 PM   #134
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Jericho ain't afraid to say it.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:59 PM   #135
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:59 PM   #136
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Ah. Okay.

Super fake out.

All's well in the world.
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Old 01-08-2020, 10:00 PM   #137
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That went from awesome to cliché really fast. Should have been for real.
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Old 01-08-2020, 10:00 PM   #139
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Hager cradling Jericho like Moxley just ran over his child with that Ford GT is great.

That's the appropriate level of "goofy" Mox in that segment.
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Moxley played that swerve to perfection.

Pretty enjoyable show overall despite the rough first hour. Doesn't come close to last week's greatness though.
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A few fun matches and I liked the ending segment.

Honestly some of those segments reminded me of WCW at its worst. Not a good thing. Might've been Dynamite's worst episode, but still watchable.

Next week's show looks like a fun lineup though so I'm still looking forward to it.
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Also: That episode overall was bad. The Brotherhood / Lucha Bros match was good and the ending segment was a little overly long but good.

Everything else was somewhere between okay and awful. This felt way more like an episode of Raw or Smackdown than AEW. They usually do a good job of course correcting after something like this, but I am not going to remember much of this episode in two weeks.
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A perdy good 2nd hour.

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I actually watched this week (from the Riho match onwards). It won't be happening again, lol.
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A few fun matches and I liked the ending segment.

Honestly some of those segments reminded me of WCW at its worst. Not a good thing. Might've been Dynamite's worst episode, but still watchable.

Next week's show looks like a fun lineup though so I'm still looking forward to it.
Probably wouldn't go as far in terms of comparisons but it was a very uneven show in terms of quality. 2nd hour was great but first hour was very weak.

Like they took last week's blueprint for a great show but put their weakest stuff for the storybuilding portion. Had they cut back on the Nightmare Collective shenanigans, the women's title match could have been a lot better.

Same for the flat ending to Sammy vs Daniels match because of how forced the Pentagon interruption spot felt. Could have taken that out but still keep the Dark Order stuff since that was more effective for heel heat.
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Women's title match was weird. Was watching with a friend and we were both confused as to why the match continued once Riho was thrown into the barricade. Actually thought it was over but they continued the match like nothing happened.

Rest the show was good though.
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I actually watched this week (from the Riho match onwards). It won't be happening again, lol.
You know I generally agree with you Noid... however your devotion/praise of NXT and criticism/dislike of AEW is getting as pathetic and irrational as Cynick.

No one here is really saying AEW is perfect. Far from it, in fact. This was probably one of their weaker shows overall too. We're simply saying it's different "enough", vs the absolutely formulaic, pathetic, meaningless bullshit that is WWE, including NXT, to be more enjoyable/entertaining than the competition.

However, your sheer inability to acknowledge AEW's quality is bizarre. Especially, when you're failing to truly acknowledge, or at least you continue to openly defend/appreciate, the (at best equally) ridiculous, formulaic, pathetic, pointless/meaninglessness that is NXT (just like the rest of the WWE programming), vs AEW.

At this point, I'm beginning to doubt your ability to actually enjoy wrestling, at least going forward, or, you haven't ever actually enjoyed it outside of it being a popular fad. That pains mean to say, and I don't say it lightly, as I generally, 1. agree with your takes, and 2. I don't question/doubt anyone's enjoyment/appreciation of anything. While I still appreciate and respect your opinion, I'm just not left with many options to be able to conclude much else.
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Old 01-08-2020, 11:26 PM   #152
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You know I generally agree with you Noid... however your devotion/praise of NXT and criticism/dislike of AEW is getting as pathetic and irrational as Cynick.

No one here is really saying AEW is perfect. Far from it, in fact. This was probably one of their weaker shows overall too. We're simply saying it's different "enough", vs the absolutely formulaic, pathetic, meaningless bullshit that is WWE, including NXT, to be more enjoyable/entertaining than the competition.

However, your sheer inability to acknowledge AEW's quality is bizarre. Especially, when you're failing to truly acknowledge, or at least you continue to openly defend/appreciate, the (at best equally) ridiculous, formulaic, pathetic, pointless/meaninglessness that is NXT (just like the rest of the WWE programming), vs AEW.

At this point, I'm beginning to doubt your ability to actually enjoy wrestling, at least going forward, or, you haven't ever actually enjoyed it outside of it being a popular fad. That pains mean to say, and I don't say it lightly, as I generally, 1. agree with your takes, and 2. I don't question/doubt anyone's enjoyment/appreciation of anything. While I still appreciate and respect your opinion, I'm just not left with many options to be able to conclude much else.
Hang on, I'm not "devoted" to NXT, lol. I haven't watched in some time. I just think that WWE obviously have the much better strategy, and I've called bullshit on the anti-WWE rhetoric you see spouted off by Meltzer and Alvarez to make the AEW guys look just and pure and WWE look like disorganized, petty idiots. And that's actually proving to be true. NXT narrowed the gap on AEW and has overtaken them once they cooled off just like I predicted. That's not an opinion or a taste thing -- that's just what's happened.

I don't think my criticisms of AEW are irrational at all. I watched this week, and I fucking hated the show almost in its entirety. Daniels did some fine stuff with Guevara. Jericho is a pretty good actor, but that ending segment went on for fucking YONKS and was exactly the same sort of shit you'd see in WWE. Instead of Mitch the Plant, you've got Jake Hager the Plant. But it's exactly the same shit. The only way this is different to WWE is that WWE would iron a lot of this shit out before it got to television. Yes, it would be sterile and boring -- but it wouldn't be this...bad.

* PAC attacked Michael Nakazawa...for the second time. They just ignored the first time. This doesn't make sense and there's no defense for it. It's just bad creative.

* Brandi Rhodes shitting on her own company on commentary. "She's not an alien." Then why do you present her as an alien? I can't believe I had to type that. "I'd rather take a nap than watch this match." Me too.

* We're not going to do an interference finish. Wait, just kidding -- yes, we are.

* Can any of the women in the division throw a forearm?

* Daniels doing shtick is exactly the sort of thing I'd want to escape from in WWE.

* The Dark Order are still around. Hokey evil villain promo. It'd be mocked in WWE. Their costumes would look better in WWE.

* The Lucha Bros. cannot work US style tags. They were so fucking bad in this match. At one point, Pentagon got back dropped to the apron, landed on his feet and was stunned just because. Then when Dustin got the "hot tag," Pentagon just climbed up to the second rope to get hurricanrana'd off...because.

* MJF starting his promo too early. Love me some MJF, but these fuck-ups are just awkward.

* DDP being one of the most over guys still is sad, but it was good to see him. It wasn't good to see him doing Diamond Cutters underwater and dragging MJF down.

* Best Friends fucking suck. Marko Stunt fucking sucks. This was my first time seeing Luchasaurus in a proper way. He did a lot of kicks and they looked awkward as hell. I like Jungle Boy, but this fucking sucked.

* I know Kip Sabian is actually fucking Penelope Ford, but I've never seen someone who is actually getting laid give off such virgin vibes.

* Main event WWE-style segment that went on too long and was overly complicated. How hard was it to just have Mox say no and kick Jericho's ass?

I'm probably forgetting some shit, but overall I thought this was bad television. A lot of the acts are really bush league and amateurish. A lot of guys really trying to force acts that don't connect. No one really works to the crowd, and shit just happens because.

I don't have to like this shit just because it's not WWE. I was really optimistic about this thing heading in. I created the AEW thread. They've disappointed me and now even the stuff I like there just breaks my heart to watch struggle for a solid log in a sea full of shit.

I haven't watched NXT. I probably won't. But I have a feeling it would have been a much more consistent and less offensive show than this one. Some of the shit AEW is bad in execution, and that's upsetting because you should be able to do the shit you're trying to do, but a lot of it is fucking awful in conception too. How does this shit get past a production meeting?

There's a reason NXT seems to have turned around the ratings on them, and there's a reason AEW has lost about half its initial viewers. One insults your intelligence, the other doesn't. I can understand why people are desperate for AEW to work. I do. This is probably the best chance wrestling has had of getting out from under Vince McMahon's thumb. But AEW is not the product to do it. I'm sorry, but it's not.
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Noid dislikes a few things, and his motive gets questioned, yet every other post in this thread is complaining about stuff WWE does, and nobody blinks an eye. Even when AEW does something you don't like, like Brandi being a jerk on commentary, it's "Cole, Corey, and Renee" this and that.

I said it last week, but there is some real AEW Stockholm Syndrome going on.

Anyways, not a lot stood out this episode. I am encouraged that they realized Adam Page wasn't really getting over like they wanted, and have added another layer to him. I think they should focus on that overall going forward.
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I have enjoyed every single episode of AEW Dynamite.

Stockholm Syndrome would be saying the majority of WWE programming is good or enjoyable when it's not. Brandi at the commentary booth during the overbooked women's match, which I had been looking forward to, was a blunder tonight - a blunder at the level of bad booking it reminded me of WWE programming - thus referencing it is solid.

Nice reach though!
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Nah, I completely get the Stockholm Syndrome thing. Wrestling fans are masochists. The one who still follow. I don't say that with any disapproval -- I'm in that group too. Most people who set healthy boundaries and expectations for content left long ago. Wrestling fans will accept anything because their standards are so low.

Daniels' whole shtick as a babyface is to shit on the town he's in. He gets the crowd to chant along by saying that where they are sucks. It's a silly little thing, but I think that actually highlights the mentality of modern wrestling fans. We're gluttons for punishment. Insult us, Daddy.

WWE sucks. I'm not doubting that. But so much of this AEW shit would be on WWE television, blasted, and no one would think twice. The Dark Order are a low-rent Wyatt Family. Brandi Rhodes is doing Stephanie McMahon. SCU are The New Day. Jericho vs. Moxley is Jericho vs. Ambrose. There hasn't been a great match by smark standards since they've been on TV. Silliness aside, there hasn't been a single match that would look out of place on Main Event.

It's WWE wrestling with a PWG mentality. And it's got a real whiff of that Russo. Shit just doesn't make sense, is dropped, picked up, etc. I wouldn't say the shows are as boring as I'd expect WWE to be, but they make about as much sense and are so underwhelming. Even the shit I care about is fucking neutered to fuck.

MJF is excellent. Why is he talking during the breaks? Why the fuck are they giving Arn Anderson lines that get him booed in 2020. Booing Arn Anderson. Fuck. And where the fuck was Cody in that segment and how does it make any sense? Can anyone make heads of tails or that?

And I'm not saying that people are saying that AEW is perfect. I know, I know -- we welcome fair criticism, blah, blah. That shit was egregious though. It makes zero sense. It's not for me. That's all.

People are hypocrites. They're allowed to be. It's fine to love AEW and hate WWE. That's totally your prerogative and your taste. But don't try and make me feel like an asshole because I see this shit and I'm like "hang on..."
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Yeah, I know. They've run me off. I was wrestling obsessed. Now, I actually couldn't give a fuck other than the ghost of an interest in how things are run. I did watch AEW this week, and I gave my honest opinion of it. Fucking sucked.

My favorite part, and this is honest, is when JR made fun of Tony Shiavone (I think it was during one of the breaks), and he said that Tony has his hands in his pockets too, but he cut out the bottoms long ago.
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