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Old 10-27-2022, 02:46 PM   #12081
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The attempts by Elite fans to wiggle out from the dog story are bizarre. They range from “his story has changed” (we haven’t heard his story) to feigning disbelief that someone cooperating with an investigation would keep quiet publicly.
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Old 10-27-2022, 02:56 PM   #12082
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Meltzer is so weird: I don’t know how he can perpetuate the idea that the AEW investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy and still stand by its findings. Well, I guess we don’t know what the findings actually were. The investigation could have turned up “yep, The Elite are guilty as sin” and they’ve still brought them back because Punk is leaving, but you know what I mean.

Would be such a weird thing to spur on — true or not — that makes the company look like absolute shit. I guess his loyalty is to The Elite and not to AEW.
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Old 10-27-2022, 03:50 PM   #12083
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Serious question: Do Americans genuinely think it’s OK for a boss to barge in on a disgruntled employee? I’ve seen lots of otherwise reasonable people who seem to think it’s a good idea for an executive to kick in the office door of someone they’re mad at. I’ve seen things like “Well, I can tell you’ve never worked in the corporate world” when it comes to defending The Elite here, for real.

Over here, that sort of conduct would be considered a nightmare. Proper protocol would be to have security escort the disgruntled employee from the building or to call a meeting with the employee. Going in and getting in their face would be a giant wtf because of things like…this, frankly. We call it “escalation.”

I assumed it would be a thing the world over, but maybe it’s just commonwealth countries or some shit.
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Old 10-27-2022, 04:16 PM   #12084
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Most people fail to report it for fear of retaliation. Most states are "at will" employment, meaning the employer can terminate your employment at anytime, for (mostly) any reason.
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Old 10-27-2022, 04:41 PM   #12085
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If somebody says "if you have a problem with me, come see me", is it really considered barging in? They already said the whole " kicking the door in" was a figure of speech, and that they didn't actually kick the door.

Phil invited them to come see him, and they did, with the company's lawyer with them. No matter how much people hate the Bucks, Phil should have expected them to come see him after he said to come see him.
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Old 10-27-2022, 04:55 PM   #12086
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The attempts by Elite fans to wiggle out from the dog story are bizarre. They range from “his story has changed” (we haven’t heard his story) to feigning disbelief that someone cooperating with an investigation would keep quiet publicly.
I hate the Elite lol. Still, that story only comes out now, the day they return to work behind the scenes. It makes no sense to hold that part of it back, because that would absolutely justify everything Punk did.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:10 PM   #12087
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I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.
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If somebody says "if you have a problem with me, come see me", is it really considered barging in? They already said the whole " kicking the door in" was a figure of speech, and that they didn't actually kick the door.

Phil invited them to come see him, and they did, with the company's lawyer with them. No matter how much people hate the Bucks, Phil should have expected them to come see him after he said to come see him.
Yes, I would say it 100% is. My boss has an “open door policy.” It doesn’t literally mean you can just go in whenever you like lol. Also, I’m pretty sure Punk said that about mentoring guys. His locker room is always open. It doesn’t mean you can go in for whatever reasons whenever you want and if he doesn’t want someone in there he’s a massive hypocrite. THAT is what is called a figure of speech.

In the scrum, Punk said something along the lines of “if you’ve got something to say to me, I’ll walk the aisles of this place — let’s go.” That’s not the same as saying “Come into my locker room if you want to fight.” Also, The Bucks went and…yep, they got a fight (we’ve got no clue if Punk’s side is even backing away from the fight or if it’s something they stand by). We don’t know his side is even complaining they went or it’s just them complaining they did and got whacked (I don’t know what they expected to happen).

The whole Megha thing is weird, because you’d think the legal counsel would have the sense to say “Look, we shouldn’t do this.” That’s why I’m asking the question about whether yanks think it is OK. Over here, you see that, it doesn’t promote safety, it threatens with the opposite. For example: If Punk has it in his contract that when appropriate, he has his own space and people can’t just walk into his locker room whenever they want — and Megha knows this — seeing them violate that could very reasonable be interpreted as “OK, they clearly aren’t here kindly because they’re willing to breach my contract and invade my personal space and that cunt is just saying it’s OK.” I don’t know why Megha is a calming factor at all — especially if she’s as deep in as some speculate.

If Tony wanted to discipline Punk for the scrum (and that’s an if, because he didn’t discipline Page), then it would have been a phone call or arranged meeting later, right? That’s how things would work over here, which is why I’m asking. Too many people have made it seem way too normal for a manager or executive to just storm into a locker room, office, toilet, what have you because they didn’t like something the employee did. Over here, that would be considered GROSSLY inappropriate and incompetent.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:32 PM   #12089
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I hate the Elite lol. Still, that story only comes out now, the day they return to work behind the scenes. It makes no sense to hold that part of it back, because that would absolutely justify everything Punk did.
Let’s say it did happen: When do you think you would hear about it? During the investigation when he was asked to keep to quiet? Isn’t it possible the story hasn’t come out because Punk was doing what he was told and expected the company to take his side because it would be insane not to?

I mean, you hate Phil, right? You just said it would justify his actions in this circumstance. I wouldn’t say it’s a coincidence it’s coming out now, but if it was true, wouldn’t the dog wanker bringing the dog kickers back because it’s absolutely insane be the trigger for it coming out? You might not bring it up outside the context of the investigation if you’ve got faith in the investigation or don’t expect them to just get off. Or you could bring it up out of spite once everything is done because fuck those guys. It doesn’t mean it’s a lie. That would be a massive salvo to shoot off in your own ship.

Just think it’s way more likely the claim has either falsely been attributed to Punk (possibly by The Elite, because they insidious like that) or that or that it’s only coming out publicly now. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but I would imagine it’s perceived to be true. But it’s detrimental and unnecessary as a lie.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:34 PM   #12090
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I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.
I agree. I wouldn’t do it. But I’m not an avid pet guy. Punk signed a massive contract and probably got some provisions thrown in there. Regardless of whether or not I would take my dog backstage to a wrestling show, if that’s a part of Punk’s process allotted to him by the company and he had an expected right to privacy in that locker room — well, that’s just more reason to get mad when the dog gets hurt.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:37 PM   #12091
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I imagine some stars talk business in their private locker room. Some would have weird mental things they do and don’t want other people in their space for them. Some have private visitors. Punk playing with his dog before he spends time with another man’s wife and plans his next failed venture is all the more reason why seeing the company’s lawyer come barging in might have been more of a threat than less of one.
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It’s still just wild to me that even Dave Meltzer is saying Lucy Guy wasn’t even consulted as part of the investigation.

I want to say “Come on, that can’t be true,” but it’s alarming that with AEW you can’t be sure.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:44 PM   #12093
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I cleaned up the language a bit, but he was not talking about mentoring anybody. He literally said "if you have a fucking problem with me, take it up with me, let's fucking go".



The Bucks tried, and Phil came out swinging.
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I cleaned up the language a bit, but he was not talking about mentoring anybody. He literally said "if you have a fucking problem with me, take it up with me, let's fucking go".



The Bucks tried, and Phil came out swinging.
That’s what I mean though. He said he’ll be up and down the hallways, not aisles, sorry. That makes him sound like an usher, ha. But he didn’t say come into my locker room. That was in regards to the mentoring. Something along the lines of “if a young guy wants advice, my locker room is always open.” I don’t think it was from the media scrum. But people are conflating his statement about his locker room being open for mentoring to his one about walking the hallways and to take your bullshit up with him.

That’s if you want to take those things literally anyway. And for all we know he stands by socking the Buck and is still like “Yeah, let’s fucking go.” I think they may have thought hiding in a group with so many people would have deterred him, but it’s like they went both looking for a fight but wanted him to be too scared at the same time. And Punk can’t take too many people, he can probably take a member of The Elite.
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Old 10-27-2022, 07:54 PM   #12095
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:06 PM   #12097
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Bullshit! No way they would just simply throw him in the air. They would have done it in a way that Larry flipped and corkscrewed like Pac doing that the black arrow, and only then would they have hit to superkicks
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Old 10-28-2022, 12:33 AM   #12098
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Either way, this is all on Tony Khan.

1. Settle this shit before it gets to this point.

2. If a wrestler is actively bleeding, has not showered, has medically been declared fucking injured and needing surgery; don't have them to do a meaningless/pointless/no money making post media scrum PPV whatever. Just Don't!

3. Tony Khan should have shut that shit down.

4. The Elite should have let some of the dust settle; let CM Punk go to his locker room to decompress, shower, whatever and raise the issue at a more appropriate time after talking to The Boss who is obviously busy and unavailable.

5. Fuck an investigation! This is professional wrestling and if shit happens, it happens, go make fucking money off it. Had AEW spun all of this shit into an angle where the EVP Elites took out the AEW Champ backstage after ALL OUT and now Kenny Omega becomes the AEW Champ and Punk is just GONE! INJURED! MEGA HEAT. You could fix things while he gets surgery and rehabs... hey Punk here's 1 Million and I want you to get over this, heal up and be ready to do business when your ready. We're MAKING MONEY when you are ready.

6. They made this all pretty lame.
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I'm at the point where I hope they did and followed it up with a BTE trigger with full poses.

Man... Punk went from Wrestling big deal to MMA joke back to fairly big wrestling deal and now hes claiming terrified self defence because management brought a lawyer into his dressing room.

I'm unashamedly with the Elite on this one until someone gives some indication they did anything other than exactly what Punk claimed he wanted while throwing his tantrum at the media session.
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Anyway, in positive AEW vibes the womens divisions getting a lot better lately. I was certainly not into it other than Jade a little and now her act is starting to get stale with me but Hayter is just awesome.

Toni Storm is really growing on me, Shida is great, Riho is fun, Baker talking and not necesarily working is good, Saraya I can take or leave but happy to give it time to breath yet.

Generally the women have been better lately.

MJF face turn... not a fan, let him be a prick people cheer. I sincerely hope he out heels the heels and people still cheer him like a madman.
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Either way, this is all on Tony Khan.

1. Settle this shit before it gets to this point.

2. If a wrestler is actively bleeding, has not showered, has medically been declared fucking injured and needing surgery; don't have them to do a meaningless/pointless/no money making post media scrum PPV whatever. Just Don't!

3. Tony Khan should have shut that shit down.

4. The Elite should have let some of the dust settle; let CM Punk go to his locker room to decompress, shower, whatever and raise the issue at a more appropriate time after talking to The Boss who is obviously busy and unavailable.

5. Fuck an investigation! This is professional wrestling and if shit happens, it happens, go make fucking money off it. Had AEW spun all of this shit into an angle where the EVP Elites took out the AEW Champ backstage after ALL OUT and now Kenny Omega becomes the AEW Champ and Punk is just GONE! INJURED! MEGA HEAT. You could fix things while he gets surgery and rehabs... hey Punk here's 1 Million and I want you to get over this, heal up and be ready to do business when your ready. We're MAKING MONEY when you are ready.

6. They made this all pretty lame.
Tony Khan has to wear A LOT of the blame. He let The Elite run wild politically. Adam Page got away with his double-cross. Nothing was settled in the meantime. It’s just a mess.
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Old 10-28-2022, 07:07 AM   #12102
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Lol, one of the goobers is reporting that Chris Jericho told CM Punk he is a cancer to the locker room and a detriment to the business. Was Jericho trying to compliment Punk’s game?
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CM Phils schvantz must taste amazing considering how much you have it in your mouth these days.
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CM Punk can retire if he wants. He’s good, but I can do without him. The Elite are total scum though.
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Dave Meltzer is peddling more of their bullshit, by the way. He’s regurgitating the “dog story would have surfaced shit.” You weren’t fed it by The Elite, Dave.
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So Dave, who makes money peddling bullshit, is peddling more bullshit?!?!!?




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Dave Meltzer is peddling more of their bullshit, by the way. He’s regurgitating the “dog story would have surfaced shit.” You weren’t fed it by The Elite, Dave.
Now I feel real gross that I came to that conclusion. Unless Dave lurks here and stole my opinion, I was clearly wrong.

Also, Jericho telling somebody else they are detrimental to a locker room is amazing.
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Now I feel real gross that I came to that conclusion. Unless Dave lurks here and stole my opinion, I was clearly wrong.

Also, Jericho telling somebody else they are detrimental to a locker room is amazing.
There’s lots of anti-Punk stories coming out now. There’s a lot of people asking “Why are we just hearing about the dog now?” but conversely, isn’t it more odd that we’re getting a string of anti-Punk stuff now?

It’s all a symptom of how AEW is run and the culture there. You can’t trust shit coming from its management.

It’s hilarious to imagine Jericho, confidently and sincerely, dressed up as him gimmick with his lackeys around, telling CM Punk he’s only in it for himself.
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Old 10-28-2022, 05:51 PM   #12111
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I was actually in the Mohegan Sun casino today (where tonight’s live Rampage takes place). My mom and I had planned a day off to gamble for a while now.

I figured I’d it was a good card, what the hell, walk up and buy tickets and just make it a late night since I’ve got a 2 hour drive home.

Tonight’s card? Horrendous. Mox/Menard could be fun but is obviously a foregone conclusion…then you have Wardlow/Taven and Conti/Rayne.

Genuinely an embarrassing card for a stand-alone Ranpage you’ve sold tickets for.
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Dunno if anyone posted it yet but Bandido and Juice Robinson have signed AEW contracts. lmao more people they have no time for, yay.
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Old 10-28-2022, 08:55 PM   #12114
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In saying that, it was reported that Bandido signed like a month ago and then that story was retracted the next day, so I won't be surprised if this ends up being taken back as well.
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AEW should not hire anybody new. I don't listen to Cornette often, but he spent an hour going through who on the AEW roster they should keep or cut. He only went through the men, and he only got through people named A-N. 1 hour, only got through half the alphabet. That is how bloated the roster is, but yeah, let's add CJ Parker
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It’s beyond parody at this point. This is the same company that said they wouldn’t make the same mistakes as WCW. They’ve got Chris Jericho and The Elite running around like Hulk Hogan if he knew how to use the Observer and about 120 people on the Nailz deal.

It is fucking ludicrous that they’ve got Brian Cage under contract, he’s had like 2 matches this year and they EXTENDED his contract. That’s Iron Sheik stuff.

The video game is going to come out and you’re going to have CM Punk on the cover and a roster that has Abadon, Kip Sabian and Frankie Kazarian but likely no FTR. It’s fucking nuts.
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There’s no drama in any of the matches on Rampage ever.
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Brian Last has made another not-so-subtle reference to there being something about Kenny Omega that AEW doesn’t want to get out about him. It came up during Cornette’s AEW roster evaluation.

Also, I can’t remember if it’s been brought up here, but Last has also alluded to a closeness between Jericho and Megha Parekh. So when people talk about her being AEW’s lawyer and #2, it’s probably important to keep in mind the possibility that she is fucking Chris Jericho how much influence that gives him and how unbiased that makes her.

I’ve seen people act like she is a “neutral party” and her being allegedly present for the brawl excuses them not interviewing Lucy Guy. She’s quite possibly part of the corruption.
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