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Old 05-08-2022, 02:03 PM   #41
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If she had said her name it wouldn't have made any difference. You still wouldn't have known who she was or what shes doing there.

It was put in for the marvel nerds who immediately recognize her and mark out. Casual audience at least would recognize Charlize and mark out for her being in the mcu.
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i have a thousand thoughtd and they arent organized but maybe while i write theyre take better form


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To begin HOW FUCKING GOOD IS SAM RAMI HERE? He's seriously at top for form
he's not doing those unforgettable Donner-esqu iconic shots from Spider-man but instead goes FULL Evil Dead in all the best ways.

The action is great too. so imaginative. the music sequence where the music becomes diegetic and they then fight with it...phenomenal. i love it SO MUCH.

The film itself is really good throughout. being able to take a narrative thats as much about Wanda as it is Strange and to connect the themes so succinctly where these two plots weave into one another into one cohesive message insomuch that at its conclusion its not an A plot and a B plot...its no small feat. really strong writting. very impressive.


the fan service sequence. if i wasnt popping for Richards and Black Bolt the fucking X-Men TAS OST hits and my brain melts. so good.

My hopes Wanda will bring mutants into existence seems dashed on the rocks but this does mark the 1st mutant in the MCU so...baby steps.

As far as Mr.Fanstic goes i dont think this is a disservice to him. Wanda is way out of his power level with out any prep. He shoul get smoked. Also if we explore his powers too much now it hurts the stand alone film. better to explore it later. they do a great job showing a world that had a Reed Richards instead of a Tony Stark. there's a ton to be said about the nature of that dimension.

Great to see Black Bolt done accurately..

Fun film. goes in angles the mcu has yet to go with the light horror elements. i had a great time watching Rami be ridiculous.
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Good point about a world that had a Reed Richards vs a Tony Stark.... didn't even think of that.

Also, I was being "facetious" regarding Reed being "buried forever"... using the "meme" of how when a new guy/gal loses in rassling people immediately complain and say that they have been "buried forever".

The light horror vibes were def good.... when Wanda is chasing them looking like Carrie with the blood, or The Terminator limping after them.... good stuff
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Good point about a world that had a Reed Richards vs a Tony Stark.... didn't even think of that.

Also, I was being "facetious" regarding Reed being "buried forever"... using the "meme" of how when a new guy/gal loses in rassling people immediately complain and say that they have been "buried forever".

The light horror vibes were def good.... when Wanda is chasing them looking like Carrie with the blood, or The Terminator limping after them.... good stuff
i caught your joke i didnt think you were being literal. just felt it was worth touching on. and i love the terminator/carrie comparison. absolutely yes.
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In addition to the chair and cartoon theme, we also got the classic Prof. X mind waves. I was so happy.

He's definitely showing his age though. Sucks to think about, but he may not be around by the time we get to X-men
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i definitely believe they should recast when they bring them in
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It's a far stretch (pun intended) from recognizing Reed Richards and Charles Xavier to recognizing Clea
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If a person doesn't know of Clea they ain't a Doctor Strange fan
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so 95% of the people who saw the film then
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My favourite of the phase 4 films, and that’s with me loving spidey, and really enjoying Shang-Chi.

I’ve got a soft spot in fictional media content for “good” characters turning bad, even more so when they are absolutely brutal and fucked up, and even more so again for female characters doing this seemingly as a few of my favourites are all female (MCU Wanda, Dark Willow, Illyria).

The Evil Dead camera directions were great and really stood the film out against the pack. Great film.
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I had a nice little “I see what you did there” smirk during the Wanda chase scene. I didn’t so much go “Carrie or Terminator” but could easily see how they’d made her into a relentless zombie-type with the oil streaming down her face and the limp. Really appreciated that.

And a lot of the Raimi tropes too. Bruce Campbell showing up. Some of the framing of shots. There’s more that’s not springing to mind.
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Someone pointed this out to me

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Patrick Stewart has appeared as Professor X in 6 movies now.... and died in half of them.
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Someone pointed this out to me

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Patrick Stewart has appeared as Professor X in 6 movies now.... and died in half of them.
Yeah!

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  • He died in the original X-Men trilogy.
  • He died in the "Days of the Future Past" series. (even if it wasn't permanent)
  • He died in Logan.
  • Last but not the least, he died in The Multiverse of Madness.
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Well the negatives of an MCU multiverse has already shown themselves while these potential positives are either theoretical or already solved without multiversal soft returns.

- Infinity Stones used as a punchline in Loki makes mockery of one of the greatest cinematic sagas that just recently concluded.
- Matt Murdock and Kingpin were simply written into the MCU with no mystical wackidoodles required.
- It doesn't seem like Dr Strange was arrested by the TVA. Logically he should have (and every Avenger doing the Time Heist which Loki himself actually points out), but this appears to possibly be MCU's Illuminati group. Are they a tier above the TVA? If so; how? Are the creators of Phase 4 movies/shows on the same page here?
- Is the 'other' Wanda the mutant variant of her? So are we in the FoX-Men world or yet another variant of... something else?
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There's no way in hell Wanda is redeemable. Off. The deep. End.
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There's no way in hell Wanda is redeemable. Off. The deep. End.
Didn't she kill like half the Avengers once in the comics and come back from that?
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They made a point to say she did the right thing in the end.

They also stated the darkhold heavily influences the user. That combined with all her recent trauma, and it's easy to say she wasn't herself.

Not expecting her to win the noble peace prize, but shes far from irredeemable.
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the one thing ive not heard anyone bring up organically is America Chavez.
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She's almost an afterthought. Any less focus on her and she might as well have just been an artifact.
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i think thats an absurd take. she had about half the films screen time and resolved the central plot herself
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I think her role was done very well. Often times when you have a plot device character, they tend to overshadow other characters in a way that hurts the film overall. Thats not the case here. She moved the plot along without taking away from Strange and Wanda.

It is a little jarring for me to see her as less confident and unsure of herself, because in the books ive read, she's a tough as nails badass, but shes also far more seasoned in those stories, where as this version is still faily new to using her powers. So maybe we'll get there eventually.
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Influence or not she chose to use the book.
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Old 05-10-2022, 06:35 PM   #67
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this is marvels 7th biggest opening. for a C tier hero thats pretty legit.
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Feel like it takes away a bit from WandaVision.... like the story of trauma, grief, and learning to "let go".... was just like "Hey, remember that show? Well forget about everything but that she had kids, and just accept that she is evil now"
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Feel like it takes away a bit from WandaVision.... like the story of trauma, grief, and learning to "let go".... was just like "Hey, remember that show? Well forget about everything but that she had kids, and just accept that she is evil now"
Did you not see the post credit scene?
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yea gotta disagree at the end of that show she hadnt learned the lesson presented to her.
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She was willing to move on until her practicing with the Darkhold in WandaVision's stinger, perhaps dreamwalking, revealed that variants of her kids exist. Right then whatever she learned went out the window along with the corruption of the book.
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she was willing to move on until an opportunity presented itself
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Film is doing pretty well. its passed The Batman foriegn gross even without playing in Russia Ukraine and China and will pass its global by the end of this weekend. should end somewhere in the 800mil range when its all settled making the 2nd most succesful post covid film (spidey at a whopping 1.8 BILLION) and should place strange 2 above civil war and other very solid MCU outings.


on a 200mil product and (based of industry averages) another 100mil in marketing this would be well above the 15% profit margin expectation.
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I had a nice little “I see what you did there” smirk during the Wanda chase scene. I didn’t so much go “Carrie or Terminator” but could easily see how they’d made her into a relentless zombie-type with the oil streaming down her face and the limp. Really appreciated that.

And a lot of the Raimi tropes too. Bruce Campbell showing up. Some of the framing of shots. There’s more that’s not springing to mind.
I just wish the April fool's joke about the "disheveled man" were a legit scene. It actually would have fit.

However, there was plenty of Raimi-centric fanservice to be had. Got strong Evil Ash vibes from the makeup work on the dreamwalked corpse.
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