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Old 05-09-2022, 07:34 AM   #801
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I think its really weird to say that anyone and everyone who didn't work out ALL just so happened to be shit; that nobody had any value whatsoever and that's why they're gone...

Oh, and also it doesn't matter how fucked up they may have been treated in any step of the endeavour, from hiring to firing, it is all the fault of the wrestler for being subpar. Even being way more generous than reasonably neccessary, that smashes Occam's Razor to a very blunt edge.

It also doesn't check out when there are still shitty wrestlers who were or have been employed for years.

"Ember Moon isnt' that good", but to this same company, Kelly Kelly is considered a "legend" and - even as of the last surprise appearance she made - still runs ropes like a drunken Clydesdale. The most basic of basics, and she can't do it. The Bellas are HOF material, but Athena somehow sucks because they cut her. And the office not watching their own product and not realizing she was in a tag team is somehow bad on her because reasons.
Lol, I didn’t say all. Why bold it like that was the point?

Kelly Kelly got over at a point in time. She can’t do flipping stunners off the top as crisply as Ember Moon, but that’s way besides the point. The Bellas are valuable TV commodities for them. Ember Moon is a worker ant.

They knew she was in a tag team, lol. They wanted Shotzi and not Ember. Not caring that someone is in a tag team and not knowing are two different things.
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Old 05-09-2022, 08:21 PM   #802
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I think its really weird to say that anyone and everyone who didn't work out ALL just so happened to be shit; that nobody had any value whatsoever and that's why they're gone...

Oh, and also it doesn't matter how fucked up they may have been treated in any step of the endeavour, from hiring to firing, it is all the fault of the wrestler for being subpar. Even being way more generous than reasonably neccessary, that smashes Occam's Razor to a very blunt edge.

It also doesn't check out when there are still shitty wrestlers who were or have been employed for years.

"Ember Moon isnt' that good", but to this same company, Kelly Kelly is considered a "legend" and - even as of the last surprise appearance she made - still runs ropes like a drunken Clydesdale. The most basic of basics, and she can't do it. The Bellas are HOF material, but Athena somehow sucks because they cut her. And the office not watching their own product and not realizing she was in a tag team is somehow bad on her because reasons.
You’re trying to argue logic with an illogical poster who doesn’t bother to watch the product he supposedly hates but talks about incessantly, to the point of making things up (like claiming MJF and Cody Rhodes never touched after the former turned heel) and commenting about the IWC being mad at the Rock returning, when he in fact did not return, and Noid just bit on a post fishing for his response.
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Old 05-10-2022, 11:37 PM   #803
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Lol, I didn’t say all. Why bold it like that was the point?
Because it was the point of that particular post. You do that a lot. People get fired from WWE, and you're quick to defend the company's decision on a firing no matter how warranted the decison may or may not have been.

It is one of those things where either you don't realize the frequency with which you do it even when someone points it out, or you do realize it and you're just fucking with people or being argumentative for argument's sake. Either way, it's there. So much so that even if/when you decide to break ranks with WWE, it's so few and far between it goes unnoticed... doomed to drown in a sea of accusing folks of being against WWE for the fun of it, or somehow the profit of another fed - AEW in particular.

Being the "biggest" or "most popular" company doesn't automatically make them the infallable hero. They've minimized, buried, and let go of folks who don't suck, and kept, re-hired, and pushed people who are absolute ass.
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Old 05-10-2022, 11:53 PM   #804
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I loved Ember in her original NXT run.

Having said that, WWE didnt fire War Goddess Ember Moon, they gave her a really stupid CCTV hacker on a motorcycle with a horrible haircut and horrible entrance music makeover first.

It is a lot easier to cut this


Then it is to cut this
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Old 05-11-2022, 01:34 AM   #805
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Because it was the point of that particular post. You do that a lot. People get fired from WWE, and you're quick to defend the company's decision on a firing no matter how warranted the decison may or may not have been.

It is one of those things where either you don't realize the frequency with which you do it even when someone points it out, or you do realize it and you're just fucking with people or being argumentative for argument's sake. Either way, it's there. So much so that even if/when you decide to break ranks with WWE, it's so few and far between it goes unnoticed... doomed to drown in a sea of accusing folks of being against WWE for the fun of it, or somehow the profit of another fed - AEW in particular.

Being the "biggest" or "most popular" company doesn't automatically make them the infallable hero. They've minimized, buried, and let go of folks who don't suck, and kept, re-hired, and pushed people who are absolute ass.
No it wasn’t. I literally said “in most cases” and used “a lot” twice. This is straw-man to the max. I never said they were an infallible hero, lol. If you’ve got a good argument they should have kept Ember Moon, fire ahead. I think she’s a good athlete who showed no charisma and was, frankly, boring. Or can you think of an example where the company was egregiously in the wrong to cut someone?
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Old 05-15-2022, 11:51 PM   #806
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No, Nerf, I was referring to MY previous post. That was the point of me saying what I said. Do we really have to be courtroom specific and granular around here now? Because I'm not about to cross examine every conversation to "win" an argument about your penchant for assuming everyone on TPWW that shits on WWE has some default programming to hate WWE appropos of nothing even when folks point out exactly what the fuck that company is doing to piss them off.

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I loved Ember in her original NXT run.

Having said that, WWE didnt fire War Goddess Ember Moon, they gave her a really stupid CCTV hacker on a motorcycle with a horrible haircut and horrible entrance music makeover first.

It is a lot easier to cut this


Then it is to cut this
But they *had* to change it... she stole Kierra Hogan's entire gimmick, remember?!
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Old 05-16-2022, 04:46 AM   #807
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I really struggled with what she was supposed to be when she debuted in NXT. Was she supposed to be a werewolf?
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Old 05-16-2022, 12:02 PM   #808
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She was probably the first case where the NXT “every gets a special entrance” aesthetic really jumped the shark with me. It was too much for no reason.

She’d have been better off with a generic rock theme and going straight out to the ring to kick ass. When they make a big hubbub out of these people and you’re left consciously thinking about how you don’t care — it’s not good for them.

Karrion Kross was another.
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