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Old 04-29-2022, 06:58 PM   #9201
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I bet money Vince would take Punk back in a heartbeat and push him. Punk likely gets pushed straight to the top of the card in any wrestling promotion he decides to go to.
that would be all well and good except new york decided to turn him down when he came sniffing for work
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:11 PM   #9202
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Where is this documented? Honestly don’t remember seeing any actual stories about this outside speculation treated as fact by the usual anti-AEW cultists who will run with anything whether it’s true or not.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:27 PM   #9203
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ah yes, the anti aew cultists. Led astray by an army of bots with questionable financing, I'm sure.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:40 PM   #9205
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Remember when Punk still thought WWE would take him back, and would shit talk AEW??

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/...stling-cm-punk

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/c...h-text-message

https://www.bodyslam.net/2019/07/25/...-text-message/




https://comicbook.com/wwe/news/cody-...unk-aew-offer/
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:47 PM   #9206
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Let me guess the response...

"Ya-yeah but all those sites are just run by anti AEW Bots, and I just caught you today (2020) reading my posts when you just (2020) had me had me on ignore, so HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT GOTCHA BITCH!!! CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK"
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Old 04-29-2022, 08:23 PM   #9207
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Thanks for posting 12 links all referencing a report from one source to make it look better. Genuinely forgot that though.

Pretty sure Punk has also talked about talking to WWE at their behest months prior to this but ultimately not liking what they had to say. His agent then reaching out months later and Vince being like “Fuck it. Can’t work with him.” isn’t really the “gotcha” you (and soon Derpfect) think it is.

Of course you’ll say Punk’s lying and Meltzer knows all until he doesn’t when he says something that doesn’t fit your narrative. No end in sight here.

Maybe we can discuss this all on that podcast RTD has suggested and screech has agreed to help produce. I understand your hesitation because it will require you to have original thoughts not supplied by your Circle Jerk/Smart People Forum but I’m down!
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Old 04-29-2022, 08:27 PM   #9208
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I can also try to explain that whole 2020/2022 dilemma you’re having via spoken word since your reading comprehension seems to be a big road block when I try to type it out for you.
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Old 04-29-2022, 08:28 PM   #9209
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Thanks for posting 12 links all referencing a report from one source to make it look better. Genuinely forgot that though.

Pretty sure Punk has also talked about talking to WWE at their behest months prior to this but ultimately not liking what they had to say. His agent then reaching out months later and Vince being like “Fuck it. Can’t work with him.” isn’t really the “gotcha” you (and soon Derpfect) think it is.

Of course you’ll say Punk’s lying and Meltzer knows all until he doesn’t when he says something that doesn’t fit your narrative. No end in sight here.

Maybe we can discuss this all on that podcast RTD has suggested and screech has agreed to help produce. I understand your hesitation because it will require you to have original thoughts not supplied by your Circle Jerk/Smart People Forum but I’m down!
Literally nobody but you cares about gotchas.
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Old 04-29-2022, 08:36 PM   #9210
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Amazing response.
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Old 04-29-2022, 08:44 PM   #9211
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Old 04-29-2022, 09:55 PM   #9212
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Thanks for posting 12 links all referencing a report from one source to make it look better. Genuinely forgot that though.

Pretty sure Punk has also talked about talking to WWE at their behest months prior to this but ultimately not liking what they had to say. His agent then reaching out months later and Vince being like “Fuck it. Can’t work with him.” isn’t really the “gotcha” you (and soon Derpfect) think it is.

Of course you’ll say Punk’s lying and Meltzer knows all until he doesn’t when he says something that doesn’t fit your narrative. No end in sight here.

Maybe we can discuss this all on that podcast RTD has suggested and screech has agreed to help produce. I understand your hesitation because it will require you to have original thoughts not supplied by your Circle Jerk/Smart People Forum but I’m down!
Vince brought back Hogan, Warrior, Goldberg, Austin, Lesnar, Bruno, Bret etc etc after all of them either got into with him, or walked out on him. But we’re at to expect him to not have any interest in Punk if Punk were to call and say he’s interested in coming back? I’m so sure lol. Vince can very petty but if there’s money to be made he’s going to bury the hatchet if means making that money.

WWE is the epitome of never say never. Wendi Richter came back for the hall of fame, for fuck’s sake.
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Old 04-29-2022, 11:22 PM   #9213
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Vince brought back Hogan, Warrior, Goldberg, Austin, Lesnar, Bruno, Bret etc etc after all of them either got into with him, or walked out on him. But we’re at to expect him to not have any interest in Punk if Punk were to call and say he’s interested in coming back? I’m so sure lol. Vince can very petty but if there’s money to be made he’s going to bury the hatchet if means making that money.

WWE is the epitome of never say never. Wendi Richter came back for the hall of fame, for fuck’s sake.
Well he did call, and Vince said no, twice, so yes Punk burnt that bridge too much, then crawled to AEW once he couldn't get on Vince's roster.
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Old 04-30-2022, 04:02 AM   #9214
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Its been a while, but Kenny Omega with another classic AEW Twitter Meltdown LOL

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...dom-wrestlers/

Exactly how you want an exec to act, freaking out because Disco Inferno doesn't like Stardom
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Old 04-30-2022, 08:21 AM   #9215
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The funny thing is, that even though the spot Disco referenced was a dumb comedy spot, it was still executed more smoothly than most womens wrestling in the states, outside of what you see from the handful of top talent each promotion has.

That said, Stardom doesnt need Omega to go on a rant for them. At the very least he could have posted his own clips of stardom being good ( of which there are many), instead of just attacking disco like moody teenager.
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Old 04-30-2022, 08:49 AM   #9216
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I'm sure Riho appreciated it.
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Old 04-30-2022, 08:50 AM   #9217
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Riho doesnt come from Stardom. Shes from the shitty promotion that holds events in apartments.

Thats why she sucks.
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Old 04-30-2022, 08:52 AM   #9218
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Its been a while, but Kenny Omega with another classic AEW Twitter Meltdown LOL

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...dom-wrestlers/

Exactly how you want an exec to act, freaking out because Disco Inferno doesn't like Stardom
Come on man, a meltdown? Do you see any exclamation points!? Was he using an ALL CAPS TECHNIQUE FOR EMPHASIS? Reel it in Xrod, you're running on wet ground and we'd hate to see you make a mistake and slip. Reel it in bud, we don't want to see you fall. Keep your feet on the ground, he didn't even use exclamation points.
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Maybe at the end of the podcast we can have a laugh about Kenny Omega being terrible!
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Wait. The “WWE doesn’t want Punk” stuff is from Meltzer?
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Also, yes, Stardom is probably the best overall product in womens wrestling, but Meltzer is an asshole for stating it plainly with no context.

Because while it is superior, its completely unfair to compare it to western promotions for a number of reasons.
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He was more than good enough for Vince McMahon to give him huge matches with Lesnar, Taker at Mania and back to back ppv title matches with the Rock. Either Vince is an idiot, which I highly doubt, or maybe Punk is actually pretty good even if he’s not the most athletic or physically appealing guy to ever get as far as he did.
I agree. He's unathletic and very sloppy.

Even though he had high profile matches, he was never the guy. During his lengthy title reign he was playing second fiddle to Cena vs Johnny Ace. He was never the main event. People complain but the fact remains that Cena vs Rock II had more appeal than a watered down triple threat with Punk to appease internet marks.
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Its been a while, but Kenny Omega with another classic AEW Twitter Meltdown LOL

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...dom-wrestlers/

Exactly how you want an exec to act, freaking out because Disco Inferno doesn't like Stardom
That's not a meltdown. He's telling off Disco Inferno who is a moron.
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Wait. The “WWE doesn’t want Punk” stuff is from Meltzer?
The cognitive dissonance must’ve been damn near overwhelming if dorkx abs derpfect were the ones sighting him
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I was just thinking about how superior a wrestler Bryan Danielson is compared to CM Punk. They're not even in the same league. Even in WWE, he was overshadowed by superstars like John Cena who is arguably a better fit and representative for the company.
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I agree. He's unathletic and very sloppy.

Even though he had high profile matches, he was never the guy. During his lengthy title reign he was playing second fiddle to Cena vs Johnny Ace. He was never the main event. People complain but the fact remains that Cena vs Rock II had more appeal than a watered down triple threat with Punk to appease internet marks.
That didn’t address the topic at hand. Regardless of what you think of him, clearly Vince was high enough on him to put him in marquee matches with the biggest names they had. So either Vince is an idiot and pushed a no talent Indy star, or perhaps there’s more to wrestling than just athleticism and muscles, and Vince knows that and used Punk because he was actually good at his job even if he didn’t have the look he typically goes for.
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That didn’t address the topic at hand. Regardless of what you think of him, clearly Vince was high enough on him to put him in marquee matches with the biggest names they had. So either Vince is an idiot and pushed a no talent Indy star, or perhaps there’s more to wrestling that’s our athleticism and muscles, and Vince knows that and used Punk because he was actually good at his job even if he didn’t have the look he typically goes for.
I never said that he was untalented. He's just not that good as far as in-ring competition is concerned. His peers easily outclass him.
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Punk's DVD should be a mandatory watch for wrestling students on what not to do in the industry. I cannot get behind a person after watching that. No thanks.
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But he was good enough to give the Rock, Taker, Cena and Lesnar some of their best matches of their careers? It can’t be both, guy.
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Punk's DVD should be a mandatory watch for wrestling students on what not to do in the industry. I cannot get behind a person after watching that. No thanks.
You don’t advocate working hard, getting better at your craft, making a name for yourself, standing up for yourself and your beliefs, grind yourself to the top of the card, walking away when you weren’t happy and then coming back for a huge pay day abs being happy again? Very odd take.
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As a recently outed follower of thuganomics, I can honestly say Cena vs Punk from MITB was probably Cena’s best match.
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But he was good enough to give the Rock, Taker, Cena and Lesnar some of their best matches of their careers? It can’t be both, guy.
You're misunderstanding.

John Cena has had great matches with all the wrestlers you've mentioned. Doesn't make him a great in-ring competitor. I'd argue Cena's better at in-ring storytelling when compared to Punk.
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You don’t advocate working hard, getting better at your craft, making a name for yourself, standing up for yourself and your beliefs, grind yourself to the top of the card, walking away when you weren’t happy and then coming back for a huge pay day abs being happy again? Very odd take.
Those are all fair points. Not everything is black and white.

Punk came across as a very jealous and bitter individual in the DVD. He belittled Miz who paid his dues and overcame the toxic work culture to main event WrestleMania before him. He was arguably a bigger superstar than him at the time. Besides that, his view points on people who don't have tattoos and shunning the use of modern medicine while recovering from a concussion were asinine. Not to mention he was gloating about it too. Also he thought fried chicken was a good source of protein.
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As a recently outed follower of thuganomics, I can honestly say Cena vs Punk from MITB was probably Cena’s best match.
Cena's had many great matches since but that was definitely Punk's best match. That was his peak.
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I just want to say that Omos is the best in the world. He must be. No way Vince would be pushing the shit out of someone who sucks, amirite?
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That didn’t address the topic at hand. Regardless of what you think of him, clearly Vince was high enough on him to put him in marquee matches with the biggest names they had. So either Vince is an idiot and pushed a no talent Indy star, or perhaps there’s more to wrestling than just athleticism and muscles, and Vince knows that and used Punk because he was actually good at his job even if he didn’t have the look he typically goes for.
But you are leaving out the truth as told by Punk himself, that he is SOOOOOOOOO good and Vince and FEDBAD never even gave him a chance! All these marquee matches you are talking about, Vince never even wanted Punk in them, evil Vince totally held him back!!!

Now though, bro Tony gives him the creative freedom to really show off his amazing wrestling character! With that freedom Punk TOTALLY overhauled his wrestling character, getting to do all the things he wants like having the same music and tshirt and moveset that WWE NEVER let him do, because again, FEDBAD DUBGOOD!!!!!!!
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Its been a while, but Kenny Omega with another classic AEW Twitter Meltdown LOL

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...dom-wrestlers/

Exactly how you want an exec to act, freaking out because Disco Inferno doesn't like Stardom
“The Stardom Cinderella Finals”

Meltzer’s take on quality wrestling is the fucking shits.

Omega fucking sucks and I’ll take Disco Inferno any day. More people watched and cared about a Disco Inferno “enhancement” match than have ever given a flying fuck about Omega vs. Okada. Fact.

I don’t think I’ve seen anything as overrated in wrestling as modern Japanese wrestling.
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Why would Vince not want to take back a whiny malcontent who bitched about working with The Rock, being champion for over a year, and couldn’t understand why Vince McMahon wouldn’t let him plaster Y2Stacker logos all over his gear. The same whiny malcontent that butted heads with his son-in-law, management and slandered his medical staff. A malcontent who went to the UFC and embarrassed himself. The same malcontent who was a single PPV buyrate in wrestling despite the push. Someone who didn’t get why it was important for the champion to be doing the PR appearances John Cena was.

How could Vince McMahon say no to bringing that guy back and putting him over your already established and largely grateful roster?
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“The Stardom Cinderella Finals”

Meltzer’s take on quality wrestling is the fucking shits.

Omega fucking sucks and I’ll take Disco Inferno any day. More people watched and cared about a Disco Inferno “enhancement” match than have ever given a flying fuck about Omega vs. Okada. Fact.

I don’t think I’ve seen anything as overrated in wrestling as modern Japanese wrestling.
Stardom is the most effeciently booked promotion today. Sounds wild, but its true. Three of their top stars retired (one of which doubled as their head trainer), then you had the Hana Kimura tragedy happen, and shortly after that the pandemic. I literally thought they were going to go out of business. But by effectively elevating their younger talent, and bringing in new talent that fits in well with the existing roster, they've not only survived, they have thrived, and are more popular than they've ever been.

There will always be a contingent of the IWC that overrates japanese wrestling. Thats never going to go away. But Stardom deserves the hype its been getting.
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