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Old 10-08-2018, 07:34 PM   #81
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Nope, Dana said he won't put the belt on him and had him escorted from the Octagon
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Why'd they let Bus destroyer McGreggor back in the UFC? This is the end of the UFC.
That Dana White has any influence in the running of the UFC is the reason the sport will never be nationalised. He's a disgrace to the company and he's obviously a crook.
Personally I lost interest years ago long before Conor got involved but seeing a little twat like him earning millions despite his behaviour is pretty much proof that Dana White runs the UFC just like the boxing promoters he hates so much. The guy is a complete arsehole.

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Fucking dummies probably forgot mcgregor has enough money to make them vanish.

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Old 10-08-2018, 08:51 PM   #82
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Huge brawl to end the show so cliche. No one even went through a table.
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:01 AM   #83
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UFC wanted a legitimate sport.
Hmm... their choice of president suggests otherwise.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:03 AM   #84
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I watched the Shane Carwin v Lesnar match on tv recently enough, and how Carwin didn't win in that first round by demolishing Lesnar and gassing himself in the process is mind boggling.

Lesnar was toast. Fights had have been called for less. You could see why someone would think there's a fix in to keep a guy who's a huge draw and star over as the company's top champ.
Thats a referee decision. And referees are picked by the commission and the UFC has no influence over them. If they did, you would never see problem refs like steve masigatti running around letting fighters die, but he still regularly refs UFC.

Now, referees generally give fighters in championship matches the benefit 9f the doubt. That said, your lesnar reference is not a great one as he was showing signs of defending himself, and carwin was slowing down with every punch.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:05 AM   #85
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Hmm... their choice of president suggests otherwise.
Not really. He was part of it from the beginning and has had a huge part in getting them to where they are now.

If his actions are what worries you, Look at the president of the United states lol
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:24 AM   #86
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Not really. He was part of it from the beginning and has had a huge part in getting them to where they are now.

If his actions are what worries you, Look at the president of the United states lol
Who Dana fully supports. I've been a fan since '05, which I get is short for some, but I've seen Dana's progression and he's proven himself to be nothing short of an obnoxious huckster. Yeah, he's hard working, but he has little to no integrity.
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Old 10-09-2018, 04:36 PM   #89
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Who Dana fully supports. I've been a fan since '05, which I get is short for some, but I've seen Dana's progression and he's proven himself to be nothing short of an obnoxious huckster. Yeah, he's hard working, but he has little to no integrity.
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I disagree a bit. Compared to other promotions he has shown more integrity for what goes on inside the 'ring'.
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No that's not true, he hasn't. Dana White regularly degrades and fires fighters who put their bodies on the line for fuck all. He's a complete knob.
Dana White thinks he is the brand, not the UFC. He's a terrible ambassador, all you have to do is listen to him talk about some of his former champions and look back at the shit he has put ordinary people filling out his cards through over merchandising situations, injuries, things they say in the media...

All of the worst traits of boxing and pro wrestling promoters comprise his character.
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No that's not true, he hasn't. Dana White regularly degrades and fires fighters who put their bodies on the line for fuck all. He's a complete knob.
Dana White thinks he is the brand, not the UFC. He's a terrible ambassador, all you have to do is listen to him talk about some of his former champions and look back at the shit he has put ordinary people filling out his cards through over merchandising situations, injuries, things they say in the media...

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Dana (the day Conor threw dolly through bus, paraphrased): Reprehensible, criminal, disgusting. What Conor did was WRONG!

Dana (the day after Conor threw dolly through bus, paraphrased): Well you know, that's just Conor being Conor.
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:48 PM   #94
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I agree with everything said above, but that is stuff that goes on outside of the ring.

I feel like EliteXC and Bellator has not always shown respect to the sport inside of the ring (more so EliteXC).

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Old 10-10-2018, 11:47 AM   #95
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I agree with everything said above, but that is stuff that goes on outside of the ring.

I feel like EliteXC and Bellator has not always shown respect to the sport inside of the ring (more so EliteXC).


You're obviously talking about Elite XC's supposed history of incentivising performance bonuses regarding Kimbo's opponents but the UFC likely has had more dodgy matches in a year than EliteXC did in their entire run.

Macias/Taktarov is a favourite of mine. Jim Brown stops just short of outright calling it a fix in the commentary.
Mark Hall actually threw fights. UFC was born as a completely set-up tournament where each fighter was hand picked to lose to Royce Gracie. UFC has never grown in that regard. Most champions are given the Rocky 3 treatment until they get Clubbered.
It wasn't just Pride and Elite XC doing it. UFC definitely holds fighters back and interferes in their rankings to avoid certain match ups. Conor McGregor should have fought a decent BJJ guy earlier but they saved it and he lost badly to the perennially awesome Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz is about as marketable as candles on the sun so they made them fight again until Diaz lost.
Now Conor's a multi millionaire getting chances to earn even more just by being a penis outside of the ring.

I was a huge fan for years but I stopped entirely about six years ago. The whole thing is too corrupted by Dana White's interference.
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Dana became president of the company in 2001 the fight you mentioned and the Tourneys happened before that.

The Nate Diaz/Conor point you made is not about the action inside the ring but outside. Which I agree that happens a lot Sonnen/Jones, DC/Brock, etc.

But once the fighters get in the ring you don't hear of anything that would taint the sport. You don't hear of Dana offering 'Fighter X' more money to stand with 'Fighter Y' instead of going to the ground, etc.
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I'm aware of that, I was giving you a history lesson in the nature of the UFC. It has literally always been at best a cherry pick and at worst outright fraud. There are plenty of decent, fair fights but when it comes down to it there are almost as many worrying examples of exploitation.

You keep saying that Dana White has never done anything to the action inside the ring but you're talking shite. Look at the CM Punk disaster. Dana White allowed that to happen, paid millions for it and then went out of his way to belittle the spectacle that unfolded in the cage. Twice. Putting an unknown quantity in against real fighters is crazy talk at this stage in the game. Freak show fights are not helping anybody.
Before that we had James Toney in the cage. A man visibly and audibly ruined by CTE.

I can pull out fucking hundreds of these incidents. He can't physically ruin a fight inside the cage but he regularly allows injured guys, no talent guys and outrageously unfit or injured people to participate. I say allow but often it's pure pressure, he gets these guys under contract and they get treated worse than the WWE lockeroom.

Look at the list of fighters trying to sue UFC for the way they ended up afterwards. Nate Quarry's face is held together by a titanium mesh. But yeah he sure could take a punch.
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Big Vic basing his entire theory around EliteXC's alleged preferable treatment of Kimbo Slice.

UFC hired Kimbo, did you ever see the Houston Alexander fight? He had to have been paid off. 15 minutes of Ring a Rosies
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in fairness, Houston blew a bag of dicks as a fighter.
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He was still capable of smashing Kimbo Slice into oblivion. Houston had wins against Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara... two of the heavier handed fighters of the time. If Houston had fought as he usually did he was either KO'ing Kimbo or getting laid out trying.

Houston literally danced sideways around the ring for 15 minutes. I think Houston was told not to do a damned thing in that match.
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He'd just taken at least one if not two really bad KOs because he had 0 ground game. He was tentative because he lost his confidence after taking the Ls. It was just a plain sad fight.
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Sure. It had nothing to do with UFC desperately trying to reignite the dying interest in Kimbo at all.
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He'd just taken at least one if not two really bad KOs because he had 0 ground game. He was tentative because he lost his confidence after taking the Ls. It was just a plain sad fight.


Do you mean Kimbo here? What does Kimbo not wanting to be taken down have to do with Houston running away for 15 minutes? Kimbo was actually pressing the fight. Houston did absolutely nothing.
Houston could have taken him down too, he almost certainly got told not to though.
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Let's not talk about Kimbo ever again after this. This is how it always ends. Kimbo gets the last laugh yet again.
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It's been awhile since I saw that fight. Wasn't Alexanders plan to throw a bunch of leg kicks because Kimbo had Arthritis in his knees?

It made for a boring fight but that was his plan.


On the James Toney note it's not like he was retired, He has won boxing titles after the Couture fight.
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If by a bunch you mean a handful of times then yes. He didn't do much in the way of attacking. This wasn't Pat Barry.

Say it was legit and both guys were just reticent to fight. Surely that further supports my point about Dana pushing dudes into situations they have no place being in. Kimbo won that fight and it was like "great, now we get to see someone actually fucking kill him" and for what?

Kimbo was just in there to draw interest and there was little care given to the shocking state his body was in. He had the knees of an 80 year old, the skill of a backyard brawler and the appeal of looking like a muscle bound badass. That sort of fighter wasn't even invited to UFC 1 when the freak element was high.
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Do you mean Kimbo here? What does Kimbo not wanting to be taken down have to do with Houston running away for 15 minutes? Kimbo was actually pressing the fight. Houston did absolutely nothing.
Houston could have taken him down too, he almost certainly got told not to though.
I was talking Houston. I remember Thiago Silva specifically exposing him as bush league. Think someone tossed him after that too.
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He landed 32 leg kicks out of 44. More than an handful.

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According to Dana White, UFC won't strip Khabib of his title although its all based on him thinking he's only getting a 4-6 month suspension and nothing more serious. He also thinks Nevada Commission was too harsh on withholding Khabib's fight purse and possibly keeping it as part of his punishments.

Both Khabib and Conor got hit with an initial 10 days suspension while the Commission sorts through their mess.
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So Alexander after surprising Jardine and Sakarra (who is honestly shit) lost three of four and was actually let go and had fought his previous fight outside of the UFC. All his losses coming via humiliating fashion. He was probably at the right level to fight Slice tbh. In saying that, Slice was a fucking embarrassment.
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He landed 32 leg kicks out of 44. More than an handful.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-det...2328aa13e5ecdc


They weren't hard kicks. Kimbo just had bird legs.
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lol Savio... you are the most annoying person to debate with on this site. However, this is obviously your goal(post) so I say it as a compliment.
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"The UFC fixes fights"

"This one fight was fixed"

"Alexander didn't throw many leg kicks"

"His leg kicks were soft"
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"The UFC fixes fights"

"This one fight was fixed"

"Alexander didn't throw many leg kicks"

"His leg kicks were soft"

Is that the best effort you can give it?! Fucking hell you're an idiot.


What I mean to say is you're a moron and that's a proven fact. Twisting my words isn't going to make you any less stupid Vic. This isn'teven about fixing fights, it's about blatant perversion of contest.
UFC has always done it.

The point about Kimbo was that every fed that used him treated him as a commodity, as they do with marketable fighters with no ability.

No point discussing this with someone as stupid as you anyway.
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You moved the goalposts son, not me. I just cover my bases. Have you even seen the fight? I could kick my gran that many times to zero effect.
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My goalpost has always been Dana is a dickhead to the sport outside of the ring but inside of the ring he treats the sport fine.

Your gran must have stronger knees than Kimbo. But I don't believe that, upload a video of you kickin your Grandma 32 times.
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On the James Toney note it's not like he was retired, He has won boxing titles after the Couture fight.

Do you have a fucking brain tumour?

How is it possible to miss the point so completely and to retain any level of self satisfaction? You have to be dying from the inside out because this is abject.
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I'll upload a video of you missing 32 points in order to point out a minor inaccuracy that bears no impact on the topic in hand.
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