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Old 08-13-2022, 07:59 PM   #66001
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Punk on NXT, coming full circle and being the "veteran" holding down up and coming talent would be a cool use for him.
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:09 PM   #66002
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I’d go as far as saying I “want” it to happen now. Punk would never agree, lol. But him taking over the Diamond Mine and going through Bron Breakker, Roderick Strong, Damon Kemp and Solo Sikoa could be fun stuff that could give the show a proper anchor.

You can could do so much with it. Kurt Angle could become a coach for Damon Kemp, with Punk going after the obvious personal issues of Angle. Solo Sikoa could be offered a spot in Punk’s Diamond Mine, but turn it down and be the DDP of NXT. Punk could add Tessa Blanchard to the group, which would be interesting given her failed professional relationship with AJ Lee (you wouldn’t bring it up, but it would be there). He can do the announcer feud with Wade Barrett, who could cut his own “pipe-bomb” about coming out of retirement.
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:14 PM   #66003
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:16 PM   #66004
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Have Punk go back to his "savior" gimmick a little bit, and say that he is "saving" the young talent from the wrestling business because "take it from me, the wrestling business will destroy your soul and your spirit just like it destroyed mine"

So he is there to "save" the young talent by taking over NXT and trying to "end their careers" right there before they make it to the horrors of the big stage.
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:21 PM   #66005
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Many people think, not thought, the pipe bomb was and is a shoot. Pretty sure we could easily dig up the weekly thread and reread those posts if we need some clarity
Exactly right, and Punk has kept that kayfabe alive for 11 years because it serves him. Hates the FED, but still living off the pipebomb they allowed/approved for him under the fake guise he did it to make pro wrestling better. I guess he has to use whatever fake credibility he has left since he has exactly zero real credibility
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Old 08-13-2022, 08:55 PM   #66007
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I was intrigued by the idea of Ed Koskey coming up with the ideas, taking them to Punk, even scripting them out. Turns out he was just producing it like every segment. I don’t know of Punk to misrepresent that, but it would come as a surprise to quite a lot of people, even in the wrestling sphere. But I wouldn’t call it “fraud.” It was just a promo that stood out.
I wasn’t intrigued by the idea because of the source spouting the idea but congrats on reading through the bullshit.
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:14 PM   #66008
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What exactly is his gimmick other than FEDBAD PIPEBOMB guy?
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:30 PM   #66010
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Who actually thought it was an actual shoot other than mark fuckwads like you?
The same people who think getting his ass handed to him like the MMA amateur he was somehow hurt his credibility as a wrestler despite the guy selling out an arena in the rumor he would show up, and being the headliner for a ppv that saw a near 40k increase in buys from the previous year on top of setting a record at the turnstiles for the company.
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:32 PM   #66012
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What exactly is his gimmick other than FEDBAD PIPEBOMB guy?
What exactly is any wrestler's gimmick other than their gimmick?
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Old 08-13-2022, 09:47 PM   #66013
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The same people who think getting his ass handed to him like the MMA amateur he was somehow hurt his credibility as a wrestler despite the guy selling out an arena in the rumor he would show up, and being the headliner for a ppv that saw a near 40k increase in buys from the previous year on top of setting a record at the turnstiles for the company.
That was already a year ago. How many times has he drawn a million since? In the last 5 months Dynamite got a million once, and that was Blood and Guts, an episode Phil wasn't even on!
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Punk gets a spike, then people realize there isn’t much to see.
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Old 08-13-2022, 11:58 PM   #66015
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The same people who think getting his ass handed to him like the MMA amateur he was somehow hurt his credibility as a wrestler despite the guy selling out an arena in the rumor he would show up, and being the headliner for a ppv that saw a near 40k increase in buys from the previous year on top of setting a record at the turnstiles for the company.
if credibility doesnt matter then there is nothing to book. Just put on random matches. Finishes mean nothing. Do away with titles too. If credibility is irrelevant then the only thing that matters is highspots. Do cool shit. Rinse repeat.
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Old 08-13-2022, 11:59 PM   #66016
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Booking is nothing but establishing credibility over time
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If credibility is irrelevant then the only thing that matters is highspots. Do cool shit. Rinse repeat.
So, modern rassling?
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And we see how well thats working
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if credibility doesnt matter then there is nothing to book. Just put on random matches. Finishes mean nothing. Do away with titles too. If credibility is irrelevant then the only thing that matters is highspots. Do cool shit. Rinse repeat.
Being a good MMA fighter and being a good wrestler are not the same thing. By that logic Jake Hager should be a bigger deal. But the things that make him good in MMA aren’t the things that make him good in wrestling. It’s the opposite for Punk. Awful fighter. Very good professional wrestler. IMO.
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Old 08-14-2022, 01:29 AM   #66021
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The same thing that makes swagger bad in MMA makes him bad in wrestling. He's got the personality to cure insomnia. The fight game and MMA are the same game. Because they're both the fight game. And on the other side the same thing that makes Punk a shit tier fighter makes him a shit tier worker: he's a giant pussy.

Everyone who doesnt mind punk being a giant pussy is already watching. And its not cutting it.
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Now if we could mesh them into one guy we'd have a top tier fighter and a top tier worker...
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Being a good MMA fighter and being a good wrestler are not the same thing. By that logic Jake Hager should be a bigger deal. But the things that make him good in MMA aren’t the things that make him good in wrestling. It’s the opposite for Punk. Awful fighter. Very good professional wrestler. IMO.
No, so incredibly untrue. Had they pushed Jake Hager as an MMA Killer from the start, it would have at least been believable. He would still be boring as all hell, but believable.

With Punk though, no amount of skill in pretend fighting should be enough for anybody with any sense at all to forget just how absolutely bad at fighting he really is. Had Punk never done MMA, he could have come back to wrestling and still had the benefit of fans not knowing how inept he actually is. Like Bischoff said, he worked himself into thinking because he was booked to win fake fights that he could actually fight. He cannot, and now we all know it.
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This just reminds me of how special Brock is.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:57 AM   #66025
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Jake Hager is not a good MMA fighter really.
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Many people think, not thought, the pipe bomb was and is a shoot. Pretty sure we could easily dig up the weekly thread and reread those posts if we need some clarity
At best I thought they just let him run wild with a promo which it sounds like they still did.

Maybe at the time, because nobody knew where they were going with it, I thought there was an element of shoot to it, but I have my doubts. IIRC I was just like "Oh shit they actually finally let Punk be Punk, this could be good."

Retrospectively, it seemed like a work the whole way through, especially once he won the fucking title. And I don't see what's wrong with that. It was really well done.

Anyways, in recent times, especially, I haven't talked to anyone who actually thinks it was a shoot.
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Old 08-14-2022, 08:59 AM   #66027
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This just reminds me of how special Brock is.
brockis the perfect example to show why not being a giant pussy matters. Hell in 04 he skyrocketed to the top of the industry because he was undisputably credible. Fast forward to today and its still true. He draws because anyone flipping channels who happens to see him buys him in 10 seconds or less.
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Brock has become less and less of a draw over time. By any metric you wanna use to measure it.

It’s almost as if what he did in MMA has become less of a factor and his wrestling booking has effected his drawing power in... ya know... wrestling.
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I’ve used this analogy before: Imagine watching a boxing movie where Mike Tyson, in his prime, plays a fictional version of himself. If he’s loses 50% of the time in the movie, as they build to his big fight while promoting him as an unstoppable beast, are you gonna think “Well, he IS Mike Tyson.” or are you gonna think “This is shit storytelling. I’m out.”?
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Got buzzed of a dumdum making an analogy.

Imagine the NBA wanted to make a movie about the greatest 3 point shooter of all time Steph Curry. Now imagine they cast Shaquille O'Neal to play Steph Curry. That film would be a comedy of epic proportions, because everybody knows Shaq is a horrible 3 point shooter.

FYI, Shaq made one 3 point shot in his entire career, which is one more than the number of wins that exposed fraud Phil had in his MMA career.

Phil being presented as the best guy is an embarrassment to AEW.
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LOL @ “Got buzzed” as the new strategy. Holy shit.
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Of course idiot ignored the entire analogy and focused on something else. Moron, I have ALREADY posted a screenshot in the casual politics thread of a different somebody summoning me to look at and respond to your dumbshit posts. I don't give a fuck if you believe I have you ignored or not. The fact is other people apparently like me calling out the stupid takes or they would not direct me to it. It must be the same way you get sick pleasure beating it to your CM Punk posters.

You think you are winning a debate by actually getting me to respond, but it is not your accomplishment, I am responding by request. Some KOTF lol
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I don't give a fuck if you believe I have you ignored or not.
I don’t know, man. Lying about ignoring someone is a pretty telling sign that you “give a fuck” that they believe you. Need another refresher?

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This dude knows I don't read his posts…
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Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time.
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These posts were less than 3 hours apart. Lol
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that was me saying I was not going to continue engaging you.
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I failed miserably, clearly

I feel like even Noid not being able to bring himself to go along with this latest retarded “CM FRAUD” narrative pushed you over the edge. You HAD to find a way to defend yourself and recover while still pretending to ignore me. You’re in SHAMBLES from all the DUNKING on you in the last page+. Cumdorx BOILING!
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Brock has become less and less of a draw over time. By any metric you wanna use to measure it.

It’s almost as if what he did in MMA has become less of a factor and his wrestling booking has effected his drawing power in... ya know... wrestling.
there's a myriad of reasons for the diminished returns, least of all lack of fresh matches and more over a lack of fresh matches with credible talent. What ever the case may be its tangential. Brock, even while less than he was, remains the top draw based soley on his credibility.
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Solely? I think the lack of other draws in wrestling has something to do with it. Brock could have gotten his ass kicked in MMA and he’d still be the top draw because no one else is a draw.
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Putting a guy like Seth Rollins over him clean multiple times MAY have hampered his aura a bit too. Lol

If the geek in the midcard is beating you in a few minutes, you can only say “BUT REMEMBER MMA…” so much. The inverse is true too.
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Solely? I think the lack of other draws in wrestling has something to do with it. Brock could have gotten his ass kicked in MMA and he’d still be the top draw because no one else is a draw.
soley yes. But dont misunderstand. He didnt gain his cred entirely in ufc.he gained it in the ncaa. He gained it by looking like an inhuman murder monster. And yes in the ufc. If he had gone over and got mauled...well he wouldnt have had any value.



And to the point "hes draws because no one does" i reject the premise. No one can draw and the company can fold. There isnt a baseline.
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If he had gone over and got mauled...well he wouldnt have had any value.
I guarantee they still would have brought him back, called him an unstoppable beast and he’d still be their biggest draw. And it wouldn’t be his MMA career that ultimately diminishes his aura in wrestling. It would be jobbing to glorified midcarders.
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