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Old 01-30-2014, 02:43 PM   #241
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Whether you like HHH or not, he's the the top heel in the company right now, moreso than Orton. A match with him would be the culmination of the Authority angle, and would be a big deal.
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:49 PM   #242
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It’s sketchy what happened. Over the last week, ever since Punk’s interview with Ariel Helwani before the Chicago UFC show where he openly brought up that his contract was up in July and didn’t want to say what he was going to do next, several people who know him had noted not to be surprised if he leaves. Two different people said that he was “as good as gone” in July, and one said that they didn’t expect him to even last until July.

There were frustrations with creative and with money, even though he has made great money the last several years. This was not a spur of the moment thing as much as something that had been building. The way we were told was that he couldn’t take it any longer and told McMahon that he was going home. McMahon had been tied up all day since they were rewriting the show, based on what happened the prior night at the Royal Rumble to figure out a way to keep the show under control and not have the audience hijack it again. Punk had been scheduled for an interview on the show to presumably build up a match with Kane on the PPV, which would lead to his planned WrestleMania match with HHH.

Because McMahon was so busy, Punk didn’t see him until 7:30 p.m., when he told him he was leaving. The reason the Kofi Kingston vs. Alberto Del Rio match on Raw went so long is because it came during the period laid out for Punk’s interview and had to go a second segment to cover the time, so the key “money” segments would be in their correct time slots.

The working assumption internally has been for several weeks that Punk was leaving in July and not going to sign a new deal. The belief was that he is not a spender, has saved his money and doesn’t have to work. It was a weird dynamic because he’s one of the few guys on the roster that the company and Vince McMahon knew believed he didn’t need them, and financially, really doesn’t. So they can’t deal with him from the same level as all the other guys who are scared to lose their jobs and spots.

Within the company, the reason was that he came to the realization that he would never be positioned higher than he was. His goal was to main event WrestleMania, as in be in the real main event. He felt that because he didn’t fit the mold of what they think the top star in the company should look like, he would never be the guy and the centerpiece.
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Another person close to the situation who was aware it was coming, just didn’t know when, said it was a classic case of being burned out, and noted the dichotomy that he’s never had a job where he’s made anywhere close to the same amount of money, nor ever been as famous, and gotten more out of wrestling than this one. But, he has been miserable at the job for some time, and he was a guy who loved working in pro wrestling when he made nothing or very little. It was noted that he never had the personal connection with Vince McMahon that most of the big stars had, and always knew he was not their kind of guy, didn’t have the look they thought a star should have, and felt he got over in spite of how he was used and not because of how he was used. The feeling was that there was a communication issue and lingering unresolved issues that dated back some time, probably most of the last year, combined with frustration regarding creative going forward and of late.

Sheamus will be replacing Punk at all the Smackdown tapings where he was largely advertised as the main star. It is a brave new world and you can never rule out the possibility it’s a work, and you won’t know for sure unless Mania comes and goes without a return. Daniel Bryan will be advertised as the main star on Smackdown going forward since John Cena is not booked often on the Tuesday tapings.
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I don't think that's his problem with it. He probably thinks HHH SHOULDN'T BE a top heel right now and it would be another case of a part timer (as an active wrestler) taking away from a young guy. But that is pure speculation on my part.
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Or it could be, just MAYBE, that CM Punk actually understands and pays attention to storylines and the show and sees that Daniel Bryan has been feuding with the authority and not Punk so having HHH v Punk is a backhanded throw together of a match just like last year, and the year before.

You guys want to act as if he is supposed to always take bullets for the company even if they are the one shooting him. That time honored code nonsense is from a far different generation. The internet age Punk knows he can create his own stir and hold the cards. Furthermore, imagine for a second there was somewhere else that was legit competition, how much more do you think creative would be coming up with better ideas and direction? IMHO that's where Punk's head is

If he walks off does he burn bridges, sure. But how many did the ultimate jackoff burn and now he's getting a bust in the HOF. He can always come back and work part time for rumbles and Mania and get in the main event that way
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lol I guess you need to take these reports with a grain of salt, but from what I've gathered, is Vince DOES have a good relationship with Punk for the most part, especially from the Helwani interview where Punk was talking about how they txt each other. If everything the news reports are saying is true, I find it hilarious that HHH is hiding behind Punk being unprofessional, and not admitting he's butt hurt that Punk doesn't want anything to do with him, which is honestly all kinds of amazing. That would have to chap Hunter's ass, probably thinks in his mind he's doing Punk some huge favour by "gracing" him with a match (as well as a guaranteed pedigree and 1-2-3 finish lol).
What's wrong with HHH thinking Punk was being unprofessional? If I were he and this was true, I would have suspended Punk without pay.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:21 PM   #246
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I'll agree with Norman Smiley. He doesn't need them at this point either. I'm not the #1 CM Punk fan but I appreciate that he has a set of balls on him, and a brain in his head. He actually DOES care about the product and it seems to piss him off how bad the writing is, (which it really really is in every way)

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What's wrong with HHH thinking Punk was being unprofessional? If I were he and this was true, I would have suspended Punk without pay.
HHH is well within his rights to think Punk unprofessional, he walked out on a contract after all. But once again, I SPECULATE that HHH is probably pretty offended the Punk doesn't really want to work with him, because the only thing bigger than Mr. "I AM THIS BUSINESS"'s nose, is his ego.
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Doesn't he understand that those tweets don't go away? That records of them still exist?
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What's wrong with HHH thinking Punk was being unprofessional? If I were he and this was true, I would have suspended Punk without pay.
If I were Punk, I would tell him to stick his pay up his arse.
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HHH is well within his rights to think Punk unprofessional, he walked out on a contract after all. But once again, I SPECULATE that HHH is probably pretty offended the Punk doesn't really want to work with him, because the only thing bigger than Mr. "I AM THIS BUSINESS"'s nose, is his ego.
Are you really thinking Punk had no clue that he would have a payoff against HHH after the months of him fighting HHH and Kane's authority? Whether he liked it or not is up to him, but it makes no sense to have Punk into the title scene without settling scores with Kane at the very least.
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If I were Punk, I would tell him to stick his pay up his arse.
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Are you really thinking Punk had no clue that he would have a payoff against HHH after the months of him fighting HHH and Kane's authority? Whether he liked it or not is up to him, but it makes no sense to have Punk into the title scene without settling scores with Kane at the very least.
What are you even talking about? I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just saying Punk doesn't want to work against HHH. Which I find hilarious and think it secretly hurts HHH's feelings because he thinks he's god.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:35 PM   #254
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And Punk was obviously aware of the direction, he was just not happy with it.
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I am saying that Punk would have known for ages that he would be facing HHH given his storyline, so why wait till Monday to walk out? Assuming all this is true lol.

Also, it does not matter if HHH thinks he is incredible or not- the booking done so far will need a Punk/HHH match to really culminate the storyline. I am not saying the booking was good, but that's how I see it anyway.
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I would go a step further to say Punk is trying to make a stand for DB. Trying to get a feel for the story without talking to Punk is difficult but fuck it if ryan clark can rattle off made up info without naming one single source so can I.

Punk is bitter/worn out/fed up of no progression. The 1 step forward 2 steps back thinking of who calling shots. It's not as much about not being in the title hunt because Punk is smart enough to know you don't need the title to be over or sell merch. But if you are a guy who has worked 50 minutes on Sunday night with no mention or fanfare from the announce team and here comes batista out of shaped and gassed for 10 minutes of work then your friend who has busted his ass all year is backseated STILL when its obvious the direction the crowd wants is DB , then why not say F it and bail

his only direct quote was on twitter that read "the view never changes"
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But we aren't talking about the same thing at all, you're making points about my posts that I'm not talking about. He chose Monday to walk out because he obviously reached a boiling point. the HHH storyline is ONE of the things he's not happy with. It's not like he was JUST informed of it and was like "THAT'S IT I'M OUT OF HERE"

It was just one of many things obviously pissing him off. Icing on the cake was Batista getting the title shot and not Daniel Bryan.

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so why wait till Monday to walk out? Assuming all this is true lol.

I would think like Dale hit on, boiling point culminating with them informing him after the rumble reaction they were going to stay with their lame ass WM plans
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Yeah, I think you're missing what Dale is getting at VSG. I think Hunter's ego has probably taken a massive hit by all this, if it is true that Punk didn't see having a match with him as high enough calibre.
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All I am saying is that HHH being butt hurt is a huge assumption. If Punk wants to be in the title scene, good for him. But where I am coming from, Punk over HHH at Wrestlemania is a worthy main event.
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Yeah, and nobody is arguing with you on that from a fan perspective.
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But HHH being butt hurt, it's HHH FFS. like I said, if it is true, I think his ego would have taken a hit, especially with all the publicity coming from all this.
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All I am saying is that HHH being butt hurt is a huge assumption.
As I said, it was pure speculation. But let's get serious, it's not like it's grasping at straws. HHH THE GAME THE CEREBRAL ASSASSIN THE KING OF KINGS gracing Punk with a match is supposed to be a big deal, and Punk said "Nah, no thanks, I'm good".
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:01 PM   #264
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I guess my issue with the assumption was not just that he got butt hurt, but that he is hiding behind the "Punk was unprofessional" excuse instead.

Anyway I am thinking too much into this, fuck HHH and fuck Punk. We will just see what happens. If this all was a massive work, then good for them.
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Stop being so controversial, this ain't the discussion forum
It's a response to the people who are talking about suspending him without pay and/or BREECH OF CONTRACT on other sites. You can't threaten a man who doesn't need money.
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All I am saying is that HHH being butt hurt is a huge assumption. If Punk wants to be in the title scene, good for him. But where I am coming from, Punk over HHH at Wrestlemania is a worthy main event.
Punk's contract is up in July, HHH would probably go over.
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Yeah but I could see him fighting Vince a little extra hard tooth and nail because of the shot to his ego, just my view on things. Regardless of the fact that HHH IS THIS BUSINESS and knows it's just business, he's a human being like the rest of us, and has a big ego, and would let that get in the way of things, I think. Especially considering Vince wants to mend fences, and what Vince says, goes.
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Punk's contract is up in July, HHH would probably go over.
If that was the plan all along, then fuck HHH even more.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:12 PM   #269
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looking forward to james steele coming in here and busting out "facts" about how HHH is a god and put everyone he could over, and was a massive draw and the be all and end all of THIS BUSINESS and how CM Punk is and always was a bum.
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Remember when HHH put Booker T over? First at WM, and then when he returned from injury that time at SummerSlam.
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Punk flat out said "dave is my friend but now is not the time for him to be here, its Daniel Bryan's time"

same sentiment I think for HHH, I think if it made sense and added something to the whole scheme of it he would be a team player but I think Punk sees it more for what it is

2 years ago "hey punk we are going with Cena/Rock so we are gonna give you Jericho and they are going on last not you

last year, hey same thing as last year but this time you get to have the undertaker

this year, we found another guy to come back and be in the main event so what about you and HHH on 4th?
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:16 PM   #273
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Oh and that time he gave Punk that HUGE main event rub when they feuded after Punk and Cena. I don't know why Punk wouldn't want to wrestle him after all HHH did for him in that match.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:16 PM   #274
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:17 PM   #275
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Yeah honestly I'm sure Punk has no problems with HHH friend wise, they're probably perfectly cordial, but the mark in me is loving this
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agree Dale, for me the appeal to the story is Punk put himself in a position to say no thanks when his name can generate some buzz outside WWE and show how much the people in charge have their heads up their ass
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If true, I don't think Punk magically decided Monday would be it. He's been more than vocal in the past about part time guys/retreads coming in and taking main event spots. We know having to see Rock main event 2 years in a row didn't make him happy, but it can be argued easily that Rock was a huge deal and was "best for business" as a draw. Batista is not, and never was. He was always second fiddle to Cena, and now he comes back, with one match, and gets auto penciled into the main event. I can completely understand how that would be the tipping point for Punk.

I also would understand that the idea of working with HHH is an underwhelming one. Outside of Mr. Steele, did anyone really enjoy his matches with Lesnar. The first two bored me to the point that I didn't bother with the third. His matches with Taker weren't anything special either, and are book ended by two classics with HBK and CM Punk. Not to mention, the last time I remember Punk and H having a match, during the summer of Punk, H won with a pedigree, 1-2-3, after a clusterfuck of run ins. Then ends the show crotch chopping the hottest name in the company to end the show.

So yeah, Punk having little to no interest in a match with H is not surprising at all. I get that walking out is unprofessional, and H having his ego stepped on a bit is only natural, but he, Vince and WWE need Punk a lot more than Punk needs them. Replacing his merch sales, the live crowds that cheer him, and his ability to put on matches with just about anyone is not going to be easy, and there's no one currently on the roster in position to take his spot.
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