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Old 10-10-2020, 11:55 PM   #41
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They need more comic book-esque characters and storylines.
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Old 12-04-2020, 12:15 AM   #42
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Is "The Cena Generation" the last new fan base?

It doesn't seem like wrestling has hooked kids since then -- what do you think?
There's still a market out there for the WWE waiting to be.....owned? There's two things that the WWE really need to do if they want to get back on track:

1) Invest in Character Development, and look at things from a long term perspective. I know it's difficult, but take a stand against shareholders. Man up, and stop trying to cater to their every nook and cranny by solely focusing on short term gains (which if we're being honest, isn't much). Invest heavily in character development for the wrestlers, and get wrestlers to connect with the audience. Give wrestlers more creative control, and let them come up with their gimmicks.

When you look at the "Attitude Era," the actual quality of wrestling wasn't that high. Bret and Shawn were gone before the peak of the Attitude era and so that in itself should tell you a lot. Outside of Austin/Vince, what really drove the WWE during this era were compelling characters, which ultimately lead to compelling storylines.

2) Storytelling in the ring: I mentioned this in another thread, but I have no idea what they're teaching down there in the Performance Center. Yes - the actual WRESTLING is quite high, but where's the storytelling? Where's the selling? Why are finishers being used as high spots? That's one reason why I'll watch a Randy Orton match any day of the week. The guy "gets it." Any young guy in the business right now should be watching Randy Orton matches while massaging their boners so to speak. No one understand ring psychology better than Orton.
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Old 12-04-2020, 12:50 AM   #43
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this is still one of the dumbest threads ive ever seen on this forum
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Old 12-04-2020, 12:56 AM   #44
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this is still one of the dumbest threads ive ever seen on this forum
Agreed. Might as well get Corky from Life Goes On posting in here.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:16 AM   #45
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Is that what we're calling that particular fan base?
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:56 AM   #46
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Is that what we're calling that particular fan base?
Yes. It's now official.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:29 AM   #47
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this is still one of the dumbest threads ive ever seen on this forum
Yes, because they are doing such a terrific job of increasing their fanbase and not relying on an overly shrinking niche audience.

WWE and wrestling in general will probably die off within a decade.
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Old 12-04-2020, 04:47 AM   #48
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Old 12-04-2020, 09:15 AM   #49
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Yes, because they are doing such a terrific job of increasing their fanbase and not relying on an overly shrinking niche audience.

WWE and wrestling in general will probably die off within a decade.
decades have existed between booms
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Old 12-04-2020, 09:16 AM   #50
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this thread could only be made by someone who was shitting their pants in 94
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Old 12-04-2020, 12:38 PM   #51
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It reeks of wannabe Twitter intellectual. I’ve got nothing against you Slik, but you’re clearly a ditz.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:38 PM   #53
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George Burns?
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:02 PM   #54
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decades have existed between booms
There will never be another boom period.

All things have a shelf life, like printed comic books and daytime soap operas, wrestling is closer to it's end than it's beginning.
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There will never be another boom period.

All things have a shelf life, like printed comic books and daytime soap operas, wrestling is closer to it's end than it's beginning.
heard that before
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Old 12-04-2020, 08:27 PM   #58
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They were running Monday Night Raw out of high school gyms in 1994/95. You could see lowered basketball rims in some of the shots.
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Old 12-04-2020, 09:32 PM   #59
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My entire life I posted here and people didn't start thinking that John Cena was a good thing overall until 2016ish

Don't the retardos just like roman reigns now
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Old 12-04-2020, 09:37 PM   #60
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My entire life I posted here and people didn't start thinking that John Cena was a good thing overall until 2016ish

Don't the retardos just like roman reigns now
I gained a lot of respect for Cena during his feud with The Rock. Cena was getting the better of The Rock verbally in my opinion. What people often forget about Cena is that the WWE tailored his gimmick towards the under 12 demographic. So yeah - we may have thought Cena's gimmick was lame post 2005, and Cena himself may have not been a fan, but the kids ate that shit up and Cena kept the WWE afloat. Cena has a valid claim in being considered the GOAT.
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The future of wrestling will all be done via social media. Rasslers will gain fans/followers via social media and interact/feud with other rasslers via social media.... then eventually things will culminate in 7 second matches on TikTok.

This is the future, and the only way to capture the hearts and attention of the next generation.
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Vince McMahon will create new stars when he needs new stars. He’s actually quite good at catching a wave and planning ahead if you don’t get so markishly caught up in the immediate content and usual internet gripes.

He’s thinking about overall business while most internet fans are crying because not everybody is WWE Champion right now.
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There will never be another boom period.

All things have a shelf life, like printed comic books and daytime soap operas, wrestling is closer to it's end than it's beginning.
“Wrestling is cyclical”. They can basically sit and wait.
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Old 12-05-2020, 10:37 AM   #67
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The future of wrestling will all be done via social media. Rasslers will gain fans/followers via social media and interact/feud with other rasslers via social media.... then eventually things will culminate in 7 second matches on TikTok.

This is the future, and the only way to capture the hearts and attention of the next generation.
This has kinda already started, hasn't it?

(Except TikTok matches, but I wouldn't be shocked to see like a 24/7 title match on there at some point.)
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Not as the main source. I'm talking no tv shows at all, and everything being done via social media.
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Oh okay, I get it now.

Could you imagine if a company started out that way? No need to worry about TV contracts or anything, just going to the apps people already use.
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There will never be another boom period.

All things have a shelf life, like printed comic books and daytime soap operas, wrestling is closer to it's end than it's beginning.
The WWE may never have an Attitude Era ever again, but I think they still have the potential to generate interest and increase ratings to a significant degree. From Spring 2013 to Wrestlemania in 2014 for instance, the WWE was starting to get build momentum again with the Daniel Bryan 'yes' movement. Fans were really getting into it. CM Punk, The Shield, Cesaro, Ryback, etc., were all fairly over as well. The WWE screwed things up unfortunately, but the bottom line is that people will tune in if the programming is good.

1) Focus on character development and reintroducing actual characters onto shows. Give the wrestlers creative control over their characters, and give them bullet points to address during promos. No long scripts.

2) Bring back storytelling and selling in the ring.
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Old 12-16-2020, 08:49 PM   #71
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And even your initial point is a rosy view. WWE didn't give a solitary fuck about Cena. Even Vince himself publicly admitted he didn't see "it" initially, even when he was getting over. Pushing him and Randy Orton was an "experiment" because they were kind of in a spot as a company and had a rapid exodus of top-tier names around the same time.

All the other stuff helps, but you don't neccessarily "need" certain things to have a top star. That's a problem WWE already has: they figure this shit is formulaic, repeatable, and predictable, and that anyone can be instantly plugged into success. Look how many YEARS it took for them to FINALLY get the type of reacton they wanted for Roman Reigns - a reaction they could have organically gotten to years ago with a heel turn and a subsequent redemption, mind you - and they were just being stubborn with his push.

You know who else they were stubborn with? Jinder Mahal. And again, a large part of his failure wasn't even his fucking fault. They had spent so much time letting him languish as a comedy fodder jobber and a shithead, then they expected us to buy he goes from jerking curtians to main eventing inside of four weeks? Even Vince Russo would say that's pretty bad fucking storytelling.

They want SO BAD for Baron Corbin to be the next big thing that they blinded themselves to why he's not. At the same time, they could have just MADE Kofi with a legitimizing win over Brock... not a seven second steamrolling loss that killed him quicker than a clean loss did to Samoa Joe. The Fiend (wicked annoying, change the channel heat garnering appearance screeches aside) was something new and exciting... for awhile. But now, it's back to the same shit he's been facing since Husky Harris days: counting lights. He's basically a career jobber, and every time they freshen him up, they have him lose more, so the facelift becomes useless. He could have been a top guy by now, and instead, he has been a waste of a spot through little fault of his own.

Not saying it wouldn't help, but youth in and of itself isn't neccessary to make a new star. They just need to... well... make the goddamn stars that get made and roll with it, and not try to shoehorn someone ad nauseum or suddenly lose interest in someone two weeks into a push.

I will say again that I don't see "it" personally with Keith Lee and Dominic Dijakovic. I still see the same two "bums" I saw in Ring of Honor, except Dijak doesn't look nearly as clumsy anymore, but they are over in NXT. I'm not blind to that fact. They obvously have something. So here is what is likely to happen: they get called up to the main roster, forced into a tag team that initially squshes, but then starts losing to some bullshit team they throw together and hotshot to a tile run, they break up, have one more critically acclaimed feud series, and then fall off the planet inside of six months. No sustained push. No repackage. Just flights around the world to sit in catering until they're needed to job to Roman, because that will still be a thing.

And even if I'm wrong, and they decide to push one of the two more up the card, there is no telling if things are even going perfectly, that one day it will just... stop. Or they get saddled with some stupid gimmick just for "Vince's stamp". Or that one of them will trip and fall and now they become comedy forever and constantly compared ON AIR to Titus O'Neil.

I've lost too much faith in the company to come across the next big thing, and I honestly believe that even if they accidentally fell into finding a good looking, naturally athletic, bodybuilder built, tall, dubiously ethnic, highly charismatic guy who is a natural, fast learner in the ring, that they wouldn't somehow fuck that up by not pushing him, giving him an insurmountably dumbass name and/or otherwise batshit gimmick, or otherwise just not grooming him to be "the guy" because for whatever reason, he's not "the guy" in Vince's eyes, but he's too valuable to let go to AEW - NWA - ROH - TNA - AAA - MLW - NJPW or anywhere else that could gain exposure from that person. So, they'll warehouse him in a contract for a good 5 years so that he can't help any other fed, and he'll be paid enough money not to bitch so much about it, but it wouldn't do him, WWE, nor the business as a whole a lot of good in the long run.

NOID post! But I agree
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