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Old 04-05-2015, 11:55 PM   #15001
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Can you guys imagine how a Bray Wyatt/Sami Zayn story could go down? I think that is money in the making.
I think that would be really cool. I've imagined it before. It's the sort of thing that I wouldn't actually want to book -- I'd let those guys take it in the direction it needs to go. My guess is that Bray would hate the normality of Zayn, for some reason. He sees him as a false idol, and his adulation as an assault on his purpose.

To be honest, Brock vs. Bray has a really cool appeal to it too. Especially if Wyatt had The Family back on his side. Can you imagine Bray Wyatt standing in the ring with Brock, not looking afraid, only for Harper and Rowan to appear with him and Brock suddenly gets slightly more worried than we have seen him in a long time? Can you imagine the promos Bray could cut on "Mr. Beast; Mr. Ultimate Fighter"?

As for another Sami Zayn feud I'd like to see -- I really want to see The Miz vs. Sami Zayn. Like more than I should. The Miz with his dismissive Hollywood attitude, and Zayn just being a guy that has worked really hard to be a wrestler. Have Maryse fly in for a segment with The Miz, and have Zayn tell her "This guy is a jerk and you deserve a real man" in French as The Miz looks on confused and you can start that thing cooking really fast.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:02 AM   #15002
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Maybe a winner has a manager that takes control of the briefcase and uses it to bring in a new talent. That could be used to teased a face turn for the true winner.
A manager supporting his client at MITB only to jump in and grab the briefcase for himself when everyone else is down would be pretty fucking incredible, actually. Imagine Heyman gets saddled with another client while Brock is away and then does this very thing. Okay, I can't really picture Heyman climbing a ladder without laughing but still.

You could have the Authority demand Heyman return the briefcase only for Heyman to say via satellite that he'll only return it to the company if they agree to give his only true client, Brock Lesnar, his deserved title rematch.

Brock wins only for somebody else to come out with the briefcase, hit Lesnar with the case, and reveal himself as the new Paul Heyman Guy/the guy Heyman is truly giving the briefcase to. Hell maybe that could be Reigns himself since we all seem to love the idea of heel Reigns w/ Heyman vs. face Lesnar.

Convoluted? Probably. But I'd still love to see that program.
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Did you happen to get that idea from any source or is that your creation? Either way, you should really try and get that idea out there because it is MONEY. I was watching Alberto El Patron's Youshoot last night and he had a quote where he said "In Mexico the fan's don't care about the titles, they are secondary to the mask, and the hair". It made me really think about how unique that is compared to us here in the states. I don't really know how the story could come up, I would like for there to be a reason instead of Rhonda or Steph just outright saying "I want your hair on the line".
I haven't seen anyone else suggest it, but it basically came from me thinking about stipulations that would make Steph vs. Ronda even larger. I mean, I can't imagine Steph particularly wanting to step into the ring with Ronda, hence why it starts as Triple H vs. Rock. But if Rock wins, Ronda gets Steph. But because so much pride is on the line, it's not enough for these two to beat each other up. Ronda wants to leave her mark on Steph forever; and Steph vice versa. Hair vs. Hair came up due to the stipulation between Vince and Donald Trump from WrestleMania 23, as well as thinking back to Molly vs. Victoria from WrestleMania XX.

How exactly does it come up? The hair sponsorship angle would be good enough. Maybe Steph can make a particularly nasty comment to a Diva or a random employee about their hair earlier in the show, so it is fresh in the audience's mind? Or you could have Stephanie introduce it as a way to show how confident she is, and because she wants to send Ronda back to the UFC with her tail between her legs.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:05 AM   #15004
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A manager supporting his client at MITB only to jump in and grab the briefcase for himself when everyone else is down would be pretty fucking incredible, actually. Imagine Heyman gets saddled with another client while Brock is away and then does this very thing. Okay, I can't really picture Heyman climbing a ladder without laughing but still.

You could have the Authority demand Heyman return the briefcase only for Heyman to say via satellite that he'll only return it to the company if they agree to give his only true client, Brock Lesnar, his deserved title rematch.

Brock wins only for somebody else to come out with the briefcase, hit Lesnar with the case, and reveal himself as the new Paul Heyman Guy/the guy Heyman is truly giving the briefcase to. Hell maybe that could be Reigns himself since we all seem to love the idea of heel Reigns w/ Heyman vs. face Lesnar.

Convoluted? Probably. But I'd still love to see that program.
Heyman is the perfect guy to get control of the briefcase somehow. I don't know if I am down for him climbing the ladder himself, since it should stand to reason that only a registered competition in a Ladder Match can win it...unless the contract is really poorly worded or something, and Heyman technically can.
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Another far fetched idea, but if WWE truly are dead set on making WM 32 mostly a shameless nostalgia show (including Brock/Rock, Taker/Sting, HHH/Austin or whatever the fuck else) it'd be kinda cool if they still had the show be main evented by fresher faces competing for the WWE Title to try and signify a transition. I'll take The Shield competing in a triple threat for the title any time, but to do it at Mania atop a card scattered with legends would be so cool.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:07 AM   #15006
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That would be a fantastic way to get the Wyatt family back together and to solidify Brock as face. Stephanie could hire them to deal with her Brock problem.

As for the Miz and Sami, it reminds me a lot of Miz vs Bryan, which I don't really mind but I don't really need. I think that if Sami Zayn truly got more mainstream interest, like a really good film (where he plays brothers with Seth Rogan) that The Miz's jealousy would make for an interesting feud. I could be wrong but I don't know if having Sami Zayn take Maryse makes him look that cool, like I don't know if that is true to his character.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:08 AM   #15007
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A manager supporting his client at MITB only to jump in and grab the briefcase for himself when everyone else is down would be pretty fucking incredible, actually. Imagine Heyman gets saddled with another client while Brock is away and then does this very thing. Okay, I can't really picture Heyman climbing a ladder without laughing but still.

You could have the Authority demand Heyman return the briefcase only for Heyman to say via satellite that he'll only return it to the company if they agree to give his only true client, Brock Lesnar, his deserved title rematch.

Brock wins only for somebody else to come out with the briefcase, hit Lesnar with the case, and reveal himself as the new Paul Heyman Guy/the guy Heyman is truly giving the briefcase to. Hell maybe that could be Reigns himself since we all seem to love the idea of heel Reigns w/ Heyman vs. face Lesnar.

Convoluted? Probably. But I'd still love to see that program.
That would be awesome
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Heyman is the perfect guy to get control of the briefcase somehow. I don't know if I am down for him climbing the ladder himself, since it should stand to reason that only a registered competition in a Ladder Match can win it...unless the contract is really poorly worded or something, and Heyman technically can.
I was under the thought process that Heyman isn't allowed to win it, hence the Authority trying to demand he return it while Heyman stays away from the arena and basically holds it as ransom. Of course if there are any loopholes he can always be sure to remind us that he learned a lot about the legal world from his father.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:16 AM   #15009
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Heyman could hold it up as a ransom. I'm reminded of Damien Sandow getting his briefcase thrown into the river and being really upset about it. As the winner shouldn't the WWE just do him up a new one? And that they did. Ambrose also ripped up Rollins' and he just had a new one next week. Which makes sense.

There are ways to do it, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure The Authority couldn't just say "New Ladder Match." He's got to find a way to make that contract worth something. Probably the easiest thing is to have it poorly worded so that he can get around it and technically pass it onto Brock or the latest Paul Heyman Guy.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:17 AM   #15010
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Just remember that we had 7 matches on the card this year, and only one match comming near 20 minutes. I don't think we will see as many legends as the early reports suggest. The big difference maker would be Austin but I don't see it. 12 years since his last match and he has always seemed content with going out against The Rock. I think the legends will be Sting and The Undertaker, and probably The Rock and Triple H.

Noid, I understand the excitement you have in your booking of Triple H vs The Rock. Whatever happens though we need to know that we will for sure see Rhonda in action. So perhaps If Triple H wins he gets five minutes with Rhonda, if Rocky wins Rhonda gets five with Steph.

I don't think they would add the hair vs hair onto that gimmick already. Hair vs Hair would be an amazing draw if they just announced the match outright.

After establishing Roman Reigns as the new guy this year and Seth as the new bad guy, one or both of them should probably be involved in the title match this year. Roman vs Brock, or Roman vs Cena make sense to me. I can't really think of a match that sells me on a main event for Seth Rollins but if they could come up with one I wouldn't be against it.

Dean Ambrose would have quite a journey to make it to the main event of WM 32 and I don't see that happening. Though that triple threat match really should happen at some point.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:18 AM   #15011
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Either way Rhonda armbars a McMahon
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Just remember that we had 7 matches on the card this year, and only one match comming near 20 minutes. I don't think we will see as many legends as the early reports suggest. The big difference maker would be Austin but I don't see it. 12 years since his last match and he has always seemed content with going out against The Rock. I think the legends will be Sting and The Undertaker, and probably The Rock and Triple H.
While he may not be a "legend" on the same level as the guys listed I wouldn't rule out Batista coming back in to do something. When he re-signed in 2014 it was said to be a 2-year deal through WM 32 and Batista said he'd be back for the long term. That was, of course, before anybody had seen how great he was as Drax and him getting other movie offers.

Still, if he's not filming something by the time WM 32 rolls around, I could see him being down for doing something and WWE would probably oblige. Just not sure what.
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Oh and Chris Jericho too. If (big if) they have Bryan is still IC champion during next WM season, the guy with the most IC Title reigns ever may want to be the one to end his run. He could do great promo work about how much the belt meant to him and his career.

I know Jericho's said he only wants to come in now to work with young guys and Bryan is hardly young at this point...but it's tough to imagine he wouldn't be enticed to work with a wrestler as good as Bryan in front of 100,000 people as his swan song before maybe hanging it up for good.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:32 AM   #15014
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I'd like to see Batista vs Lesnar, that could be epic. And Bryan/Jericho could steal the show. Just thinking about Austin, I think he should be the referee for whatever happens with Rhonda. I'm still hoping for an intergender tag, with Austin as the ref that would be hot.
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I wonder if Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn ever look back and realize that Cornette knew what he was talking about.
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It'd be interesting to hear their thoughts on him. Man, it sounds like Cornette had some great ideas for ROH and just got fucked around. But basically everything I've heard Cornette say on ROH, Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens makes total sense.
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At the time, Steen felt Cornette was fucking him over and he wasn't going to do anything about his appearance (especially his weight). He goes from Steen to Owens, and he's cut his hair, trimmed his beard, and he lost a fair amount of weight.

And I can't help but think that Zayn could have made more money (and I'm sure he did well for himself) had he cut a promo. On one hand, I understand why he didn't. But at the same time, he rode the Generico train as far as it was going to go and as a good talker with a good look and a great bumper, he probably could have done more without the mask.
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I'd like to see Batista vs Lesnar, that could be epic. And Bryan/Jericho could steal the show. Just thinking about Austin, I think he should be the referee for whatever happens with Rhonda. I'm still hoping for an intergender tag, with Austin as the ref that would be hot.
Brock Lesnar vs. Batista is probably the biggest thing they could do, given that wrestling fans are inclined to cheer Brock and are inclined to boo Batista. There's a lot of similarities between the guys, but enough of a personality difference to really give the match a good dynamic. It was actually on my fantasy card for WrestleMania XXX, before they ran with Batista as the Royal Rumble Winner and Brock ending the streak.

Austin as the Special Guest Ref for the Steph and Ronda stuff also makes sense when you consider the history between Austin and Triple H and The Rock. I know they won't do Hair vs. Hair, but Rock vs. Triple H with Austin as Special Guest Referee where if Rock wins, Ronda gets Stephanie in a Hair vs. Hair Match would be EPIC! Like it could sell Mania on its own epic. Then you've got Brock vs. Batista and...

The Undertaker vs. Seth Rollins. I know people do want to see Taker vs. Sting, but I think at this point that they might just put Sting in as a Hall of Fame attraction, or maybe foil Triple H assistance as revenge for last year. Rollins is the perfect foil for Taker, if you really think about it, and Rollins putting down Taker with a Curb Stomp would get tremendous heat for him. It may not close the show, but working Taker is a main event.

Cena vs. Reigns to close. The current franchise vs. the guy they want to be the franchise. Who do the fans cheer in this one? Probably Reigns, but they may surprise people with a Rock/Hogan moment, where Cena finally gets accepted as the great talent that he is. People seem to like the idea of pairing Heyman and Reigns, but if Brock is going to be with Heyman and a face, maybe Heyman could also be with Reigns as a face. Given that Brock would be tied up with Batista, Reigns going after the title doesn't clash with Brock's agenda...at that point in time. Heyman hyping this match could make Reigns the coolest motherfucker on the planet.

At first I was like "no way they do Bryan vs. Jericho" when you guys suggested it. But the more I think about it, the more I can see it. Jericho himself has said he pitched the match to Vince. I see them hyping it as a wrestling classic that they want to rival to Steamboat/Savage from WrestleMania III, without putting too much pressure on it -- you know. They'll talk about the Intercontinental Title classics. This will be Jericho's best chance to have another amazing match at WrestleMania, and you just know he will put 100% in to achieve the results he wants (like he ever doesn't put that sort of effort in). Plus, if Bryan is still the Intercontinental Champion by this point, I can see them going balls-in with him and letting him break Honky Tonk Man's record. Why not? Have Bryan hold the title until SummerSlam of that year. It'd be a 519 day reign as Intercontinental Champion.

Who do you have Orton fight at the PPV? I guess you've got Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and Rusev left as your current big stars not booked in this scenario. Oh, and Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler, I guess. There's also the chance an NXT guy will make it big. I can't see them jamming Orton into a Ladder Match. I think he gets to work with a pretty big heel at this show. If they do a Ladder Match for the US Title, then Rusev being in that makes sense. Dean Ambrose being in a Ladder Match looking to redeem himself for last year also makes sense. I guess that leaves Bray Wyatt as the perfect opponent for Orton -- and it'd be believable that Bray would get a win in that match. Maybe Bray indoctrinates Jasper Orton or something during the course of the feud. But maybe they do Orton vs. Balor? You just know that would be hot. Or do they do Wyatt vs. Balor to decide who the New Face of Fear in WWE is? Let's go with that one, because I think having two younger guys face off gives it a different feel to every other match on the card.

Tag Team Titles? Can't see The Usos missing out. It may not make the main show again, but I see The Usos leaving this Mania with the titles. Not sure if Cesaro & Kidd will still be teaming, and it's possible that Cesaro is in the Ladder Match and Kidd works the Battle Royal, but how about another Fatal 4-Way (as much as I hate them), pitting Cesaro & Kidd against The Wyatt Family (back together), The Usos and Sami Zayn & Neville, or something. Or do they turn Owens and have him realize the importance of Zayn's friendship? Let's go with that.

The Ladder Match can have Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler, Sheamus, Bad News Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Rusev, Neville and Randy Orton as the big star chasing the only title he has never held in WWE -- the US Title -- and to make it feel like this match isn't just the "other guys" thrown together.

The Divas match will likely have to feature Paige, The Bellas, Charlotte and Sasha Banks by this point. I'd rather see The Bellas moved into less ring-focused roles by this point in time, with them maybe doing some sort of valet duty for Bryan and Cena at Mania 32, but I just can't see it. Maybe they do another Vickie Guerrero Invitational and use this to bring back some women of the past -- like Trish Stratus and Lita. I'd rather see Charlotte defending the Divas Title against Paige and Sasha Banks, however, winding down a hot feud with Paige (in which Paige uses her sexuality to lead Ric Flair astray and get under Charlotte's skin as revenge on Charlotte for taking the title off her), but I think the VG Invitational is more likely. I'll suggest the Triple Threat, however. Trish and Lita can have a segment where they congratulate the new champion or get in the face of the two girls who lost or something.

The Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal can be on the Kickoff show again. Big Show would be looking to repeat. Hideo Itami would be looking for revenge. This would be Tyler Breeze's first WrestleMania. The Miz got close last time, before Damien Sandow messed it up. Damien was the runner-up last time and is looking to improve on that. The New Age Outlaws can be in there. Kane can come back with a classic costume for a bit of a pop. Mark Henry can be in there as a home-state guy and the strongest man in the world. They can get The Great Khali back to appeal to the Indian audience. Maybe some guys outside the company get to make a pay-day here?

That's eight matches, so it's likely the Tag Titles get bumped again, sadly. Or maybe it's the Divas' turn this year, since Steph and Ronda will be representing the women on the main show?
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At the time, Steen felt Cornette was fucking him over and he wasn't going to do anything about his appearance (especially his weight). He goes from Steen to Owens, and he's cut his hair, trimmed his beard, and he lost a fair amount of weight.

And I can't help but think that Zayn could have made more money (and I'm sure he did well for himself) had he cut a promo. On one hand, I understand why he didn't. But at the same time, he rode the Generico train as far as it was going to go and as a good talker with a good look and a great bumper, he probably could have done more without the mask.
Sami Zayn really hasn't had much of a learning curve when it comes to using his face and voice in NXT. Could he have had more gravitas on the independent scene without the mask? Sure. But we might also have gotten spoiled and used to a certain quality from Zayn and become quite expectant.

I'm honestly not sure what Steen used to look like in ROH. He still looks like an "indy guy" to me. Did he look much different?
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I love how Americans think that Khali is the biggest thing to have ever happened in India. You guys have clearly never heard of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi or Sachin Tendulkar.
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I watched a bit of nxt yesterday. They've got some smokin' brauds on the show. There was some Aussie bird Emma, and then Alexa Bliss who is unreal. They were the highlights.

All the blokes seem really short, making it seem too much like an Indy show. Think there was only one guy who looked to be over 5'10. Brooklyn guy. Him and his tag partner seemed good. Are they getting pushed up to wwe any time soon? They tried to put "Kevin Owens" over as being as dangerous as Brock Lesnar which seems ridiculous. "Finn Balor" seemed sweet though.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:39 AM   #15022
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Batista vs Lesnar would be silly. Batista was only getting booed because he was being handed the main event on a plate despite being out of shape and weird looking, in spite of Daniel Bryan. People had warmed to him by the time he left, and that was before Guardians of the Galaxy. You need to build someone up to Brock's level internally.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:26 AM   #15024
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Daniel Bryan vs. Shinsuke Nakamura being teased is really fucking cool. No way the WWE does it, as I doubt they would really want to give New Japan World any publicity, but there could be a case made for it. The WWE wants the Network to launch strong in Japan, and having an Intercontinental Champion vs. Intercontinental Champion match would be a great way to get more good will in Japan, where they could sign up quite a few more subscribers, if they find a way to make their product really appeal to that market. I'm not sure if having one Japanese guy in development and putting one Japanese guy into the Hall of Fame achieves that goal.

Plus, Shinsuke Nakamura is really awesome and could actually get over stateside.




Is Nakamura that guy who had trials with the WWE but they didn't sign him because he looks like a fat lesbian
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:40 AM   #15025
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Is Nakamura that guy who had trials with the WWE but they didn't sign him because he looks like a fat lesbian
this is Nakamura.

hardly fat at all or lesbian looking.

He in my opinion is one of Japan's greatest stars right now. He's huge over there.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:42 AM   #15026
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Is Nakamura that guy who had trials with the WWE but they didn't sign him because he looks like a fat lesbian
That would be Takeshi Morishima.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:44 AM   #15027
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You're thinking of Morishima.
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this is Nakamura.

hardly fat at all or lesbian looking.

He in my opinion is one of Japan's greatest stars right now. He's huge over there.
Looks like every other Japanese wrestler.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:58 PM   #15030
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this is Nakamura.

hardly fat at all or lesbian looking.

He in my opinion is one of Japan's greatest stars right now. He's huge over there.
"In my Opinion"

What? I dont like jap shit at all and I know hes hands down one of the top 3 biggest stars in japan PERIOD. Why are you adding that modifier?
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"In my Opinion"

What? I dont like jap shit at all and I know hes hands down one of the top 3 biggest stars in japan PERIOD. Why are you adding that modifier?
I said he's huge over there.

I didn't mean to act like it was only in my opinion that he was a great star in Japan.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:05 PM   #15032
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How many wrestlers wish they had a drop of the charisma that oozes off of Nakamura?
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Looks like every other Japanese wrestler.
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Absurd amount of charisma on Nakamura, considering the stoic culture of Japan.

He's just straight up fun to watch.
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I know I get a lot of shit and laughed at for these posts. I'm fine with that as long as one person learns about our history with these memorial posts.

Steve Rickard was an extremely important and influential person in wrestling's history. He was one of the longest running members of the NWA to my knowledge well into the 1990s.

May he RIP.

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Steve Rickard, key figure in New Zealand's wrestling history, dead at 85

There were two distinct sides to the wrestling life of Steve Rickard. He was a globetrotting grappler before becoming the most influential and important promoter in the history of pro wrestling in New Zealand. His knowledge of being on the mat earned him respect.

After all, Harley Race and Ric Flair defied the NWA Board of the Directors and exchanged the NWA World title for Rickard in 1984.

It's a well-told story, but worth repeating, since it wouldn't have happened without Rickard, who died Sunday in his native New Zealand, at the age of 85.

Flair and Race switched NWA World title without the approval of the NWA Board of Directors while on a

March 1984 tour of New Zealand. It was Race's idea, in part to help the sagging business of Kiwi promoter Steve Rickard. As Flair said: "If Harley Race okayed it, it was hard for anyone to tell them different."


In 2008, Flair talked about the title change with Simon Sweetman of the old www.nzpwi.com site: "Yeah, well, that's one of those disputed times I'm talking about, that's probably the 17th championship right there ... but it's not one of the ones that officially counts. We did that as a favour to your promoter down there; a man named Steve Rickard. This was before much in the way of TV down your way ... and so we did that, as was the way then, agreed to drop the title, to help build the event, to help promote it. And it worked. It definitely worked. I had a good time down there."

Tours of New Zealand were memorable for many wrestlers from North America, and Rickard was known as a honorable man.

"Steve Rickard was one of the nicest, fairest promoters I ever had the pleasure to work for. I was lucky enough to work for him three separate times," Moondog Ed Moretti wrote in 2009.

Rickard was actually born Sydney Mervin Batt on September 3, 1929, in Napier, New Zealand. Amateur wrestling entered his life at the age of 14, and not long after he started working to support his mother and three younger brothers. He originally was a police detective, but bought the Hutt Park Hotel, and ran that for 15 years.

As an amateur in the 1940s, Rickard was a notable name in the conversation for the national championships. He trained amateurs and later pros.

An atlas is a good companion to figure out all the places that Rickard wrestled, as documented in a magazine article from the 1970s by New Zealand historian Dave Cameron: "Steve Rickard is rapidly becoming known as the greatest globetrotter in wrestling. In recent years he has made numerous trips to Australia, several to Singapore, and has wrestled in Canada, U.S.A., Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and right through the Pacific Islands New Hebrides, New Caledonia, Western Samoa, American Samoa, Fiji, Tahiti and Hawaii."

That travel never stopped. Rickard continued to be involved in pro wrestling through the years. He was still on the NWA Board of Directors in 1994 when Shane Douglas famously threw down the NWA World title, and was president of the NWA from 1995-96. The Cauliflower Alley Club honoured him for his work in wrestling with an award at its annual banquet in March 1997 at the Sportsman's Lodge in Studio City, Calif.

A notable run came as the "son" of the legendary King Kong Czaja in India, working as Young Kong. "The Indians liked him. The name alone was sufficient to draw them to his bouts by the thousands," wrote Cameron. "At one stadium in India he found he was the only European wrestler on the bill, and it seemed only natural that the Indians would want their local favourites to win. Steve was booked against the home star, Tiger Sucha Singh, in a place called Zijayawada. It was a hard scientific contest with Steve taking the deciding fall after about 50 minutes. Spectators were storming the ring from all sides. But there was no need to worry. Steve was hoisted on their shoulders and carried from the ring. This is something a wrestler doesn't expect when in another country."

Historically, though, Rickard's greatest contribution was probably as a promoter, and his rise parallels the story of television in New Zealand.

"We really didn't get TV until '64 and '67 over the whole country. It used to start at three in the afternoon and finish at 10," Bushwacker Luke Williams recalled for the Ring Around the Northwest newsletter in June 2012.

The first professional wrestling show on New Zealand TV was the Australian promotion, Big Time Wrestling, put on by Jim Barnett. Lasted less than a year, but with Rickard involved with Barnett promoting some shows in his home country, it set the stage for his own show.

Rickard taped his first "On The Mat" show in 1973, but he'd promoted for years before that, under the Dominion Wrestling Union banner he had inherited from longtime promoter Walter Miller, and then as All Star Pro Wrestling. With only one main station in the country, TV1, there wasn't a spot for his show; enter the TV2 station needing new programming.

The NZOnScreen.com website addressed the progression from there: "The first 14 episodes were taped in Auckland and briefly in Hamilton after which it found a home at the Canterbury Court Stadium in Christchurch; although the final season in 1983 was shot at the Auckland YMCA. On the Mat ran for a TV half-hour and had two commentators. Rickard described the technical aspects of what was happening in the ring and Ernie Leonard added colour. In 1981 Leonard moved to produce the show and Barry Holland came on as the second commentator and presenter. The commentators would announce the card to camera and then introduce and commentate on each match. Shows generally included two or three wrestling matches, an interview and/or an excerpt from an overseas match (usually from the US)."

The promotion was off and running and resulted in a boom in popularity for pro wrestling again -- it had been really big in New Zealand before in the 1930s.

On The Mat ran from 1975 to 1983, and made stars out of the likes of Mark Lewin, King Curtis Iaukea, Rick Martel and Don Muraco. It also helped set the stage for homegrown Kiwi stars such as the Bushwackers/Kiwis/Sheepherders, and Sivi Afi. Later, he promoted the show "The Main Event."

In his autobiography, Life On The Mat, Steve Rickard talked of two talented performers he helped along the way: "Among the current crop of wrestlers are two who have made it to the top without any amateur back-ground, Peter Maivia and Siva Afi Peter Maivia is rated in the top 10 in the world while Siva is the current New Zealand and Hawaiian Heavyweight champion."

As for the Bushwackers, who were just recognized by the WWE Hall of Fame, it was Rickard who was key to their career. He had known them in New Zealand, and brought them into Hawaii, where he was promoting. Business wasn't great there, but Butch Miller and Luke Williams met Roddy Piper and "Playboy" Buddy Rose, who invited them to come wrestle in Portland, Ore. "[We] did have a USA Visa which Steve Rickard had got for us for 6 months. Thank you Steve, that was a big thing you did for us," wrote Miller in a 2002 online column.

Rickard saw all kinds of untapped markets on the smaller islands and other countries.

British wrestler Earl Black recalled one such attempt by Rickard: "In Singapore, promoter Steve Rickard had managed to get away from the old system of having rounds, like boxing, and brought in time-limit wrestling matches. On one show, a one-hour six-man tag team was advertised. The capacity crowd enjoyed the match, until the fall was taken after forty minutes, and the match ended. They considered that they had been ripped off, and that a one-hour time limit match, should actually last an hour."

The Destroyer (Dick Beyer) told a story of "High Chief" Peter Maivia's return home to Western Samoa for the first time in 15 years, for a bout promoted by Rickard. At stake was The Destroyer's U.S. title, and like Flair and Race and the NWA World belt, it is an unrecognized title change.

"We could have wrestled three times in one day and still packed the house," Beyer recalled with awe. It was one of the easiest nights he ever had. Though the fans were packed so tight their arms reached into the ring, they were putty in the hands of the skilled mat veterans.

"You talk about wrestling somebody and not having to do anything, and have the people want to come in the ring and kill you, that was the kind of match it was," said Beyer. "All I had to do was grab an arm hold on him, boom! Maybe I grab a little hair, pull him down, and those people are halfway coming in the ring." Naturally, Maivia went over, winning the U.S. title and setting off pandemonium. "I worked to where I got disqualified and he won my belt. We went out to dinner later -- the promoter threw a dinner for his family, my family. I said, 'I need that belt, because I'm leaving for New Zealand tomorrow, and I'm taking that belt with me.' I got the belt back, and nobody in America ever knew that, or that the match ever took place."

When Ed Francis decided to end his promotional days in Hawaii, and become a cattle farmer in Oregon, he sold the promotion to Steve Rickard. The Kiwi then brought in two partners, Rick Martel and Peter Maivia.

It was a short-lived partnership, said Martel. "We had some creative differences ... I had the book there. It was really good. I brought in Roddy [Piper]. Hawaii was a small place. ... You had to give them a really good show with hard working guys and you could draw some money. But Peter had just come in from New York, and he was trying to bring in Baron Scicluna, his friends. Nice guys, but hard-working guys they are not. No bumps. In New York, you could get away with that, the millions of people. Different style. In Hawaii, you needed hard-working guys that could take bumps. So Steve and I were kind of locking horns on that and different things. Finally, I just said, 'Look, I can't work this way anymore' and just left. I remember the day I brought Roddy in. I was all excited. 'Oh man, I've got Roddy Piper. The man is great.' I remember we used to fly him in from New Zealand every month. The first show that Roddy was there, it was great, he was giving an interview, it was fantastic, the match, the whole thing. 'Oh Peter, wasn't that great?' (imitating voice) 'Oh, he's okay, he's okay.' That's when I knew."

Rickard didn't promote in Hawaii for all that long, returning to promoting around New Zealand. He had two sons who both entered the wrestling business, and Martel knew them both well.

Tony Rickard was a referee. "Tony was the loud one. Tony loved the business, but he wasn't big enough," said Martel. The other son, Ricky, was a wrestler who had good amateur background; "He was a shy personality, he didn't really like the wrestling business."

Much of the history of pro wrestling in New Zealand was captured in the documentary, Wrestling Spectacular! A Kiwi Century on the Mat, at kiwiwrestling.com.

During the last years of his life, Steve Rickard suffered from dementia, and lived with his son, Tony, in Queensland, Australia. His wife, Lorraine, died in 2010.
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