11-27-2015, 10:36 PM | #361 |
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I get that, a lot of their matches are fast paced and can be hard to keep up with. I enjoy it because its something different. The faster pace leads to some sloppiness but a lot of times I find my self amazed at how they pull some of it off so fast.
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11-27-2015, 10:39 PM | #362 |
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I think a lot of the time the wrestlers don't seem to be able to keep up with it. I love fast paced stuff too, but to me it just seems like a bunch of stuff happening with no rhyme or reason.
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11-27-2015, 10:43 PM | #363 |
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Oh I know, unlike CyNick I can understand how some people might not enjoy the same thing as me.
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11-27-2015, 10:46 PM | #364 |
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Is BJ Whitmer considered to be good?
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11-27-2015, 10:56 PM | #365 |
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I find BJ good at what he's doing at the moment. Liked what they were doing with the decade before Jimmy Jacobs left for WWE creative. Now he and Adam Page have taken Steve Corinos son Colby on as a young boy and was supposed to have a match with Steve at final battle but Steve said he was retiring from in ring action due to needing neck surgery. Could turn into BJ vs Nigel I think.
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11-27-2015, 10:59 PM | #366 |
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I just find him to be really disjointed in the ring. The little I've seen though. Is there a match you could link me to that would show me "vintage" Whitmer?
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11-27-2015, 11:08 PM | #367 |
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Gorgeous Dave had very valid points about the wrestling of ROH. I hate smaller rings too, always have.
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11-27-2015, 11:09 PM | #368 |
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Not really, he hasn't worked a match on ROH TV in a while, and I couldn't tell you that his in ring work is any thing great. He's best at being the mentor type to younger guys now. Whitmer is usually a promo spot on TV and works a lot of tag matches now, is rarely in the main event.
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11-28-2015, 09:17 PM | #369 |
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Except the "lack of drive" thing is an incorrect perception -- one held by an out of touch old man.
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11-29-2015, 05:57 PM | #370 | |
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11-30-2015, 08:52 AM | #371 |
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Wow they are really gonna try the exact same storyline they had with Bryan to get Roman over?(they don't even hide the fact that it's the same) This has failure written all over for a lot of reasons.
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11-30-2015, 10:05 AM | #372 |
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Can't wait to see Reigns pin Lesnar clean in the middle of the ring at WrestleMania 32 and for 100,000 people to boo the shit out of it as the announcers go on about Roman overcoming adversity.
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11-30-2015, 10:33 AM | #373 |
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What if that happens but he's selling more tshirts than anyone but Cena and the bad reaction is only in certain cities?
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11-30-2015, 10:37 AM | #374 |
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It will still be awful?
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11-30-2015, 10:51 AM | #375 | |
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11-30-2015, 10:52 AM | #376 |
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11-30-2015, 11:29 AM | #377 |
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Except that Reigns is regularly getting booed or al best cases lukewarm crowd reactions everywhere they tour. Maybe it turns around but it's been a year now and the crowds don't seem to be buying it.
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11-30-2015, 11:44 AM | #378 | |
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But it really doesn't matter who the adults in the crowd want to see. If Reigns gets over with the kids, that's all WWE really cares about at the end of the day. It just remains to be seen if Reigns will have the kids wrapped around his finger as long as Cena since Reigns doesn't have half the personality that Cena had. |
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11-30-2015, 11:54 AM | #379 |
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I have stopped watching because I can not take another 14 years of Cena Lite v2.0
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11-30-2015, 01:13 PM | #380 | |
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WWE isn't interested in having a cold champion, so they are trying to put obstacles in front of him so fans get behind the chase. We'll see how it works. I know Hunter said in an interview before Mania last year that some crowds would boo Roman, but in other towns he was the most over guy. Who knows what will happen, but I could see him becoming similar to Cena, where the smarks boo him, but the women and kids cheer him. Either way its an important few months for him. When Rollins comes back, I think that might give them an opportunity to turn Roman if it's needed. |
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11-30-2015, 01:14 PM | #381 | |
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11-30-2015, 01:16 PM | #382 |
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If he is selling t-shirts I don't think they will turn him.
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11-30-2015, 02:22 PM | #383 |
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12-03-2015, 03:47 PM | #384 |
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He's probably as over as he's going to get. Kids love him, he moves merch, however the adult crowd aren't buying it, and going the "overcoming obstacles" route won't convince that potion of the audience to get on board; you can't sell that story with Roman the same way they could with Bryan.
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12-03-2015, 03:52 PM | #385 |
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Which to me is fine.
If I were WWE I would go out of my way to make Reigns unappealing to adults, but book him like a superhero for the kids. |
12-03-2015, 03:55 PM | #386 |
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So you would make someone unappealing on purpose?
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12-03-2015, 04:01 PM | #387 |
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Why would you go out of your way to make any character on your show unappealing to any demographic? And why would you go out of your way to not let your top face get massive pops across the board and actually draw people over the age of 12 to watch the show? Seriously?
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12-03-2015, 04:09 PM | #388 |
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Pretty sure CyNick just set the wheels in motion for an addition to his gimmick where, instead of going through the trouble of rationalizing, he can just say "WWE is intentionally trying to do things that don't appeal to people. It's actually a genius tactic. You just don't get it."
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12-03-2015, 04:27 PM | #389 |
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12-03-2015, 10:25 PM | #390 |
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As opposed to guys like Ambrose who gets the majority of the audience, age need not apply, to pop? What sense does that make?
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12-04-2015, 01:09 AM | #391 |
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Roman Reigns is Batista
Roman Reigns is Bobby Lashley For fucks sake,Roman Reigns is Crimson from TNA You can switch any of these dudes out they are so interchangeable Nothing sticks out about Roman those guys I listed are pretty much the same as him #giveambrosetheball |
12-04-2015, 01:10 AM | #392 |
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12-04-2015, 04:07 PM | #394 |
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When those cities are in the biggest markets you can run, and the WWE's attendance is drying up in places like Des Moines, it does become a problem.
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12-04-2015, 04:08 PM | #395 |
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Here, here. And that's a big source of the Roman Reigns backlash. It's not even that people don't like Reigns -- they can just feel another decade of an ice-cream that's not their flavor.
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12-04-2015, 04:11 PM | #396 |
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I would make Roman Reigns appealing to grandmothers. If you get the grandmas, you get the kids. They've got all that disposable income and need something to fill their time since they don't have work or mortgages. And when these kids grow up with Roman Reigns because of their grandmothers, they're ostensibly going to be WWE fans in another ten years or so.
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12-04-2015, 04:11 PM | #397 | |
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12-04-2015, 07:53 PM | #399 |
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Heel Batista was amazing. Ripping on fat girls and geeks was a money promo for him.
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Heel Batista vs. Face Brock is a money match.
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