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Old 10-25-2018, 07:00 PM   #361
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So you find it trivial for someone to only care about the people within their race but not for people to only care about the people in their country. I see.
Is it trivial though? Where one's from forms what's of importance to them. If someone thinks race is what sets us apart I'd have to disagree with them but I wouldn't call it trivial.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:09 PM   #363
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My favorite thing is when someone tells me their sociology professor told them all cultures are equal. I wonder how many people who think this also have a problem with WWE going to Saudi Arabia. I bet it's a high number.
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God made you that race for a reason.
Race is just evolutionary sun exposure in my opinion. Yeah I believe in God and evolution.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:14 PM   #366
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We’re not talking about patriotism or racial pride though. You can be proud of your country and still care about people from other countries. You can be proud of your race and still care about people of other races.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:31 PM   #368
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Gutted to know that, as a Canadian, Simple Fan doesn't care about me or my well being..... I thought we were cool.....

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Old 10-25-2018, 07:35 PM   #369
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I don't want to hear about anything bad happening to you Lock Jaw. Canadians are cool, I've met a few. Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Plus weeds legal up there, USA needs to take a hint.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:48 PM   #371
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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.
This is it. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. He doesn't believe that a fake wrestling company accepting millions of dollars, millions of dollars from someone would spread a false message, but journalists trying to earn a reputation by reflecting the world are likely to be spreading "fake news."

It used to be cool to check a report's sources and be critical of the media. But it's now be degraded to putting your fingers in your ears and hummng hymns while things literally explode in front of your eyes. There's a difference between being critical of your sources and checking to see how valid they are and just writing things off as "fake news" because they question the fucking President.

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Maybe. If you're intent on setting yourself apart and only caring about the group you set yourself apart with.

Many people would say the biggest thing that sets us apart is not where we're born but our race. And instead of caring about everyone they only care about their race. Those people are assholes.


I've never gotten nationalism at all. You don't get a choice of where you're born. You're lucky. You can appreciate the benefits of your country, like the right to security, education and healthcare, but you don't do anything to achieve those. It's not something to thump your chest over and high-five your friends about.

There's also no good reason to ignore the suffering of people who live in places that don't have even parodies of those things, just because they weren't as lucky as you.

Of course you can't worry about all the things in the world all the time. Humans are really good at cognitive dissonance, and that's not even a bad thing, otherwise our heads would explode. But it doesn't mean you can't focus on an issue and say "that's fucking awful." Just like I can look at North Korea and say "that's fucking awful." Why is that even a point being brought up?

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Is it trivial though? Where one's from forms what's of importance to them. If someone thinks race is what sets us apart I'd have to disagree with them but I wouldn't call it trivial.
Not true. Environment helps form, but a lot of other factors are going to go into that too. Sometimes people reject where they are from. Some people recognize it as arbitrary. The idea that you have to chain yourself to your point of origin is a decision you've made, possibly head drummed into your head since you were a kid and all that, but that you say it as if being in a geographical spot is the overriding factor in how you conduct yourself as a human being does get the root of the issue a lot quicker than your dancing around #1-wwf-fan's questions.

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My favorite thing is when someone tells me their sociology professor told them all cultures are equal. I wonder how many people who think this also have a problem with WWE going to Saudi Arabia. I bet it's a high number.
You're talking about cultural relativism, and you've completely taken it out of context and should consider taking a sociology course yourself (I'm sure you can find free lectures online). Cultural relativism is simply a framework for looking at cultures that doesn't place significance on the western way of living as superior. It stops looking at hunter-gatherer tribes as "primitive" because they don't see their purpose in life to accumulate wealth or own a PlayStation (although they might think PlayStations are great).

It's a useful tool for not placing different cultures on a scale of "bad" to "good" based on inherent bias towards your own culture. It's nowhere near the same thing as criticizing a dictator dealing with US money to abuse human rights and oppress a culture.

There's a difference between watching your drink beer and thinking my scotch is better and smashing you over the head with my glass and waterboarding you with scotch.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:49 PM   #372
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This is it. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. He doesn't believe that a fake wrestling company accepting millions of dollars, millions of dollars from someone would spread a false message, but journalists trying to earn a reputation by reflecting the world are likely to be spreading "fake news."

It used to be cool to check a report's sources and be critical of the media. But it's now be degraded to putting your fingers in your ears and hummng hymns while things literally explode in front of your eyes. There's a difference between being critical of your sources and checking to see how valid they are and just writing things off as "fake news" because they question the fucking President.
I don't think you understand what fake news is. It's not just the news groups on the left that question the President. It's the ones on the right as well that support him. There's truth in it but it is spread throughout bias bullshit trying to form your opinion. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.
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. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.
You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?
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I don't think you understand what fake news is. It's not just the news groups on the left that question the President. It's the ones on the right as well that support him. There's truth in it but it is spread throughout bias bullshit trying to form your opinion. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.
Hahaha, no. I don't think you understand what fakes news is.

Journalism doesn't need to be unbiased, and it never is. That doesn't mean it's fake. You can get the news from that and leave the political opinion at the door. It's critical reading.

"5 dead in explosion" is not fake news. "Women sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia" is not fake news. They don't...make shit up. They can get duped and have political biases, but that doesn't change core facts of many stories. "Trump sells weapons to horrific regime" is not fake news just because it has a tinge of sting to it. What *is* fake is saying that the country is getting better when it is not.

You're actually being worked more by this fake news/pro-WWE stuff than you would be if you were just a "mark." Hell, "fake news" is a Trump buzzword he created so people would disregard any negative story that comes out about him. You fell for it.
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You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?
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You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?
I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.
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I like the idea of a bunch of people being confused by the media getting together and just saying "it's all bullshit!" and then getting their news from WWE and Leonard at the bar. He seems like a smart guy. He thinks they put logos in the foam of his beer, but he's been right before.
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I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.
In the video, Michael Cole said "Saudi Arabia is a progressive nation." I don't know if it was that verbatim. But that was the message. "They are progressive." They are not. They are lies. You fell for them. That is why this is so disgusting. They help influence the opinion of the people who can't pick up a newspaper without getting confused so they can keep lying to people by saying they are taking steps when they still cut off women's heads, lock them up for protesting and hunt down journalists who criticize them for it. I feel like I've said this 800 times in this thread.

Because of dummies, yeah, dummies, yeah it's an awful thing WWE are going to go and do this thing, because it's not just disgusting on the face; but when it comes to certain types of people it actually works. And make no mistake about it, Fan, they could have gotten him in the United States too. Turkey is not a fan of this regime. They got him in a Saudi embassy. There are cars and saws in the US too.
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In the video, Michael Cole said "Saudi Arabia is a progressive nation." I don't know if it was that verbatim. But that was the message. "They are progressive." They are not. They are lies. You fell for them. That is why this is so disgusting. They help influence the opinion of the people who can't pick up a newspaper without getting confused so they can keep lying to people by saying they are taking steps when they still cut off women's heads, lock them up for protesting and hunt down journalists who criticize them for it. I feel like I've said this 800 times in this thread.

Because of dummies, yeah, dummies, yeah it's an awful thing WWE are going to go and do this thing, because it's not just disgusting on the face; but when it comes to certain types of people it actually works. And make no mistake about it, Fan, they could have gotten him in the United States too. Turkey is not a fan of this regime. They got him in a Saudi embassy. There are cars and saws in the US too.
You've dug way deeper into it than I have. As #1_wwf_fan would say its trivial to me. I haven't denied things are bad in the country but I don't deny they're making progress either. I just wasnt going to call their prince a murder. I think if this country wants to take steps to being more progressive the WWE helps that cause.
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I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.
Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.
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Germany cooks better than meat than you.
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Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.
It's all fake news. DON'T YOU GET THAT?
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Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.
Have they not allowed women to apply for drivers license? WWE just showed that from what I remember.
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Well they sure did there Simple Fan. They also will still execute a woman for driving. So basically they now let women apply for a license to get themselves executed. How progressive!
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You've dug way deeper into it than I have. As #1_wwf_fan would say its trivial to me. I haven't denied things are bad in the country but I don't deny they're making progress either. I just wasnt going to call their prince a murder. I think if this country wants to take steps to being more progressive the WWE helps that cause.
He fucking murdered somebody. When you murder somebody, you are a murderer.

How does WWE help the cause? How?
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How do the Spice Girls playing in China help put food into the mouths of people from Tibet? Especially when they talk about how good things are in China?

Newsflash: If things are really excellent, you don't need to buy time to talk about about how excellent they are.
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Sorry, fake newsflash*
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"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan has come to your defense, Fan. He has also released a statement saying that he thinks WWE shouldn't pull out. It's too big an opportunity to miss, terrible stuff happens all over the world so why bother caring, and he also didn't know that it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia, because he said "a horrible incident that happened over there."

What is it with people defending this that have no clue what actually happened?
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Old 10-25-2018, 09:21 PM   #393
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Seems WWE wussed out on talking about their Saudi deal with their investors today outside of a brief statement made in their fiscal report.

Didn't bother to mention if it will be one of the main topics for their next meeting unlike the last time few times.

For some reference, the last time investors asked about details of the multi-year deal, WWE shot them down saying they couldn't due to confidentially clauses. Being rumored the contract doesn't include an opt-out clause which would be ridiculous if that is actually true.
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He fucking murdered somebody. When you murder somebody, you are a murderer.

How does WWE help the cause? How?
The WWE had women perform in the UAE, obviously Saudi Arabia isn't to that point yet but they could get there. They allow women to attend the shows which from the bit I understand they don't always get to go to public events. Yeah they're going to use it as propaganda but that doesn't mean they're not taking those steps, even if they take two steps back later.
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"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan has come to your defense, Fan. He has also released a statement saying that he thinks WWE shouldn't pull out. It's too big an opportunity to miss, terrible stuff happens all over the world so why bother caring, and he also didn't know that it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia, because he said "a horrible incident that happened over there."

What is it with people defending this that have no clue what actually happened?
Hacksaw is a true American.
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So is it making steps if they just regress back to where they started if not further back? How is that progressive?
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So is it making steps if they just regress back to where they started if not further back? How is that progressive?
It's slow progress, probably why they called it Vision 2030.
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How is giving people the right to do something, only to kill then when they attempt to exercise that right, progressive in any way though? That doesn't make sense.
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I made a typo. Whoa! Great point, King! You're so smrt. When someone makes a mistake, doesn't that just make you look so good? What an opportunity to shine!

I fart in your general direction, and I have been eating lots of delicious German meat and drinking refreshing German beer, so it will not be pleasant for you.
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Also, y u mad?
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I don't want to hear about anything bad happening to you Lock Jaw. Canadians are cool, I've met a few. Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Plus weeds legal up there, USA needs to take a hint.
Lol I will fight you for calling me an American
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