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Old 10-22-2018, 07:08 PM   #121
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…….You can't be serious.
Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.
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Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.
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Old 10-22-2018, 08:34 PM   #123
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Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.
LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?
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LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?
Fan will not believe it until they torture and murder HIM.
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Fan will not believe it until they torture and murder HIM.
Maybe he's refusing to say anything negative about the crown prince because he's scared a hit squad might get him next!
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LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?
I'd actually have to hear or see some proof. I don't really care that Saudi Arabia is a human rights abuser, they have a different culture and I can accept that, I don't condone it but I also don't know much about it. It's like a bible pusher trying to push his beliefs and way of life on you is how I see the US and whoever trying to make these countries more progressive. From what I've seen they've made some steps towards allowing woman to do more things but it feels like people want a 100% turnaround in one day.
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the Rock is in trouble for having dinner with the Prince

To be fair a bunch of famous people had dinner with him too
I don't get why people think that because a whole bunch of other people do the wrong thing it excuses them from doing it. All of them deserve criticism for aligning themselves with this scumbag. The Rock doesn't get a pass because he's not the only guy.

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I see nothing wrong with his post. If being a nice person and listening to other's views is embarrassing then that's pretty sad. That's what America is all about but people don't like to listen to views they don't share anymore.
It's not nice to support regimes that kill people. It's not nice to go to someone's house and hear screaming from the basement and just continue to drink wine. Listening to other people's views is a gross euphemism for enabling people to do evil shit.

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Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.
Dude, you owe it to yourself to learn. It's not hard to do a Google search on "human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia." "Just because the media says," -- wtf, it's not just the media. It's the media (all forms, not just your paid and bought), it's people who have lived there, it's their documented history of executions and imprisoning people for voicing an opinion. If you have nothing against how they run their country...I can't help you.

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I'd actually have to hear or see some proof. I don't really care that Saudi Arabia is a human rights abuser, they have a different culture and I can accept that, I don't condone it but I also don't know much about it. It's like a bible pusher trying to push his beliefs and way of life on you is how I see the US and whoever trying to make these countries more progressive. From what I've seen they've made some steps towards allowing woman to do more things but it feels like people want a 100% turnaround in one day.
Then look at the proof, Fan. It's fucking out there. How can you not give a shit they abuse human rights? How can you just call that a "different culture?"

It's just a "different culture" that they killed and hacked up that journalist. Not going to pass judgment on the morals there, guys. Fuck you.
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Dude, you owe it to yourself to learn. It's not hard to do a Google search on "human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia." "Just because the media says," -- wtf, it's not just the media. It's the media (all forms, not just your paid and bought), it's people who have lived there, it's their documented history of executions and imprisoning people for voicing an opinion. If you have nothing against how they run their country...I can't help you.



Then look at the proof, Fan. It's fucking out there. How can you not give a shit they abuse human rights? How can you just call that a "different culture?"

It's just a "different culture" that they killed and hacked up that journalist. Not going to pass judgment on the morals there, guys. Fuck you.
You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.
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You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.
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It's just being real, you can't expect the whole world to be equal just because we're all human. Thats a fantasy that is never going to happen.
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I don't think Fan gets that this is what he's saying.
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Saudi Arabia is far from being my neighbor.
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It's just being real, you can't expect the whole world to be equal just because we're all human. Thats a fantasy that is never going to happen.
It's not being real at all. Being real is looking at a real crisis and saying "that's fucked" and not tucking your head between your legs and saying "la-la-la-la!". What do you think happened to that journalist? Be real about it -- what do you think happened and why?

I don't think your point about the whole world being equal really fits the framing of the conversation. It's not about "expecting" sunshine and roses. It's about not entering into business with shady dictators and trying to work towards change and making sure justice is served where you can.
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Saudi Arabia is far from being my neighbor.
Dude, we are all born on the same planet.
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You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.
The people of Saudi Arabia don't choose to have a brutal, backwards monarchy rule over them.

The monarchy/dictatorship uses hundreds of billions of dollars in American (and other countries') weapons and spy technology to rule over their population and crush any dissent. Peaceful protest is punishable by death.

The US (and UK and others) support the dictatorship because they can be controlled. Be our "allies" and do what we want and we'll keep you rich and in power. If the people of Saudi Arabia had a pesky democracy, they might start doing things that the US government and elite don't like and can't control.

In the words of Donald Trump, the Saudi monarchy would not last two weeks without US support.

"We protect Saudi Arabia. And I love the King ... King Salman but I said 'King, we're protecting you. You might not be there for two weeks without us.'"

So it's not just some far off place that we have nothing to do with. Our government directly supports the monarchy.
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This made me chuckle.
It's probably the most hippy-esque thing I've said in my life, but it's just amazing how cunty people get when geography is involved. Like, they can't actually imagine the suffering because the people aren't living right down the road from them. These people have lives until this government strangles it out of them.

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The people of Saudi Arabia don't choose to have a brutal, backwards monarchy rule over them.

The monarchy/dictatorship uses hundreds of billions of dollars in American (and other countries') weapons and spy technology to rule over their population and crush any dissent. Peaceful protest is punishable by death.

The US (and UK and others) support the dictatorship because they can be controlled. Be our "allies" and do what we want and we'll keep you rich and in power. If the people of Saudi Arabia had a pesky democracy, they might start doing things that the US government and elite don't like and can't control.

In the words of Donald Trump, the Saudi monarchy would not last two weeks without US support.

"We protect Saudi Arabia. And I love the King ... King Salman but I said 'King, we're protecting you. You might not be there for two weeks without us.'"
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It's not being real at all. Being real is looking at a real crisis and saying "that's fucked" and not tucking your head between your legs and saying "la-la-la-la!". What do you think happened to that journalist? Be real about it -- what do you think happened and why?

I don't think your point about the whole world being equal really fits the framing of the conversation. It's not about "expecting" sunshine and roses. It's about not entering into business with shady dictators and trying to work towards change and making sure justice is served where you can.
I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.
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I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.
The wrong people were the Prince's hit squad. His main crime was speaking out against the Prince. Good luck working towards change when you actively try to help them stay in power and kill the people working towards change.
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I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.
Ran into the wrong people?

Dude, those people were people that rule that country and he didn't "run into them", he just criticized them.
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I can't believe we're really having this conversation.
I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation but fucked up things happen everywhere and I don't concern myself with something on the other side of the earth.
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I am seriously stunned. a) That you choose to live in such ignorance; b) That you can't believe that people actually care when an evil regime does such horrific things. And for fuck's sake, stop trying to justify the evil actions by one dictator by pointing out that other people do terrible things too. Those are just as terrible. It's all terrible. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
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I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation but fucked up things happen everywhere and I don't concern myself with something on the other side of the earth.
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I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation

You're only ignorant by choice.

It's not like 'current events' are hard to hear about on the internet.
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"Hitler is killing Jews because it's a different culture. I don't know anything about Hitler, I don't feel like reading about him, it's not my problem".

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There is a political narrative throughout the civilized world that Islam is a religion of peace and not a backward violent death cult aimed at the obliteration of gays, Jews, and atheists. Crimes committed by these theocratic states often go ignored by nightly news and political comedy shows. It's politically correct to ignore the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and instead to drone on and on about, "Not all Muslims" when ever something terrible happens.
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There is a political narrative throughout the civilized world that Islam is a religion of peace and not a backward violent death cult aimed at the obliteration of gays, Jews, and atheists. Crimes committed by these theocratic states often go ignored by nightly news and political comedy shows. It's politically correct to ignore the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and instead to drone on and on about, "Not all Muslims" when ever something terrible happens.
You talk too much. What matters is if it's far away from where you're at, you should not give a shit.
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I am seriously stunned. a) That you choose to live in such ignorance; b) That you can't believe that people actually care when an evil regime does such horrific things. And for fuck's sake, stop trying to justify the evil actions by one dictator by pointing out that other people do terrible things too. Those are just as terrible. It's all terrible. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
A) This guys death impacts my life in zero ways. O can believe people actually care about this but I still think it's a waste of time. I don't because murders happen all the time here in America which are much more important to me.
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