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View Poll Results: How does The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past rate with you? | |||
5 - So legendary. | 9 | 60.00% | |
4 - A link to a good time. | 3 | 20.00% | |
3 - Fairly so-so. | 1 | 6.67% | |
2 - Far from legendary. | 0 | 0% | |
1 - It should remain in the past. | 0 | 0% | |
Haven't played it. | 2 | 13.33% | |
Voters: 15. You must log in or register to vote on this poll. |
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09-05-2023, 01:22 PM | #41 | |
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Not ignoring a thing. Merely the absurdity of your issues being quashed and you just moving to "another issue". Never stated you could warp back to the boss, it's not a Diablo town portal. Provide me with your definition of "retreading" and I can ensure you get a sufficient answer. I believe we were discussing walking through the same paths more than once (i.e. warping to the beginning and having to walk through the dungeon again). No one stated that you had to "do a dungeon twice". However, my memory is flawed - a simple Google search can give you what you ask: Quote:
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09-05-2023, 01:52 PM | #42 |
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Those aren't going through the entire dungeon again. It's been ages since I played the game but I do recall the Swamp palace you only pull a switch at first. You don't go through the entire thing.
It's not an absurd issue, there should have been an ice rod check earlier in the dungeon. I don't think you would argue against that... (although you do love to argue so who knows lol) |
09-05-2023, 02:07 PM | #43 |
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Sorry, didn't have your definition of "retreading" though it wouldn't have mattered.
Do you mean having to traverse through the areas or actually complete everything again each time you enter? It's not that I love to argue. It really is that this is such a simple concept to understand. Scenario A (the .001 dungeon completion, the instant you walk in the door) You enter the dungeon without the item and the game hand holds you to leave the dungeon to go get the item. Scenario B (the 99% dungeon completion) You get to the boss and then the game tells you that you need it. Gotta leave the dungeon to go get it. Senario C (the 99.9999% dungeon completion) You are fighting the boss and cannot damage the boss. Gotta leave the dungeon to go get it. Nothing changes. This is the kind of game that Zelda was, is and always will be. This is the way a TON of games in the era (and times before) also were. Metal Gear on NES had some of the most ridiculous puzzles, and they didn't feed you a god damn bread crumb in most instances. |
09-05-2023, 02:09 PM | #44 | |
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In a game like Zelda, the game should not hold your hand in any way. Fuck's sake, the NES Zelda was far and away more difficult, and they only gave you a map. |
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09-05-2023, 03:32 PM | #45 |
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No ones talking about hand holding, I'm talking about having some puzzles involve the ice rod just like there are puzzles that require the fire rod to get through.
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09-05-2023, 03:38 PM | #46 |
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You shouldn't play Zelda.
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09-05-2023, 04:40 PM | #47 |
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There should be less puzzles in Zelda games? Ok.
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09-05-2023, 04:51 PM | #48 |
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Games from our childhood aren't perfect, each game has a few flaws that can be pointed out.
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09-06-2023, 10:00 AM | #49 | |
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No, but if you're gonna cry about it, don't play it. Quote:
I agree, there are many flaws. However, this is not that case. It's a game that encourages (and earlier titles literally REQUIRE) exploration. Even through sheer dumb luck of bombing things that look bombable, you'll find the Ice Rod. It would be bad design / flaw if there was some super secret squirrel shit that the player could never, ever figure out from in-game systems. |
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09-06-2023, 10:18 AM | #50 |
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Vic you dont have a critique you have a nitpick
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09-06-2023, 10:40 AM | #51 |
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I agree you could call it a nit pick but it is just one of the issues I have with the game. I thought the story was duller than other Zelda games. And I think item progression usage is stronger in other games. Getting the rock feather in LA felt good and combining it with the Pegasus boots felt great.
Getting a hammer in LTTP to get past one tile doesn't feel great And the ice rods only purpose being the boss fight isn't good. No reason you can't have any Ice Rod puzzles. It would have been like if the Ice arrows were necessary to beat bongo bongo in OoT and useless everywhere else (like they are now). Now granted I played this in 2008~ and my wife played it in 2020. It doesn't match up to the newer Zelda games and it shouldn't because Zelda has evolved leaps and bounds since then. Uh M-A-G forces us to review his game selections that's why we're all here. |
09-06-2023, 10:48 AM | #52 |
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Ultimately, I think what this comes down to is Big Vic's rating isn't solely because of one problem he had with the design. It's just one that he felt could've been addressed better. drave and Destor didn't find it as big of a deal, and on top of that, they were blown away by the remainder of the game. That's what I'm getting from this, is that fair to say?
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09-06-2023, 10:50 AM | #53 |
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You also force us at gun point to give these ratings.
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09-06-2023, 10:53 AM | #54 |
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I suppose I am the evil overlord of the video game forum.
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09-06-2023, 10:53 AM | #55 |
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Look at what I've wrought...poster pitted against poster.
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09-06-2023, 02:25 PM | #56 |
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I like that we can all come together and agree that MAG is the real problem
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09-06-2023, 03:34 PM | #57 |
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Only Zelda game I put time into.
I loved it but never finished it. |
09-06-2023, 04:05 PM | #58 |
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I bet if the ice rod had been in a better spot youd still be playing it to this day
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09-06-2023, 05:05 PM | #59 |
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No time, too many Anime Tiddies
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09-07-2023, 12:55 AM | #60 |
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"Hentai Project" for switch 5/5
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