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Old 07-26-2018, 05:47 PM   #43881
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Reading "The death of WCW" and for some reason I had an idea for a wrestling angle I thought would be cool to see.
Has any major promotion ever done a blackmail/extortion angle where it turns out a Champ is only winning because he/she has some sort of long-standing leverage over a ref?

That could work pretty well with some vignettes of the wrestler and the ref having secret meetings. Probably could get 6 months out of that. You'd probably have to teach the guy to count 3 in a not-immediately-noticeably faster time. Like 2.5 seconds.
Then you could show a few vignettes of the secret meetings/suspicious activity over time and have a repeatedly screwed contender put together a tape of the fast counts to show that the champ was "a full 3 count away from being the champ".

I'm rambling and I have probably just recreated some well known old angle but it sounds good in my head.
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:55 PM   #43882
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I would enjoy that. I liked when Nick Patrick was the nWo (/Alliance) ref. It would be neat to see a ref "in the Champ's pocket."

I wonder which wrestler/ref combo could pull that off in WWE. Did you have anyone in mind?
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:01 PM   #43883
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I haven't seen WWE in years mate. I'm just back into watching documentaries and old matches recently.

It would have to be somebody nobody would expect. Somebody over but not near the title scene so that a sneaky fast-rise would look confusingly legit and completely out of the blue.
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:02 PM   #43884
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Never knew Noid was such a racist. What ISN'T wrong with that guy?
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:05 PM   #43885
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If it was done in the 2000's you'd use somebody like Eddie Guerrero. That would have been a great way for him to become champ while he was probably the best performer in the company.
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:21 PM   #43886
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Seems Jason Jordan is dealing with a Daniel Bryan situation right now.

PWI reported he still hasn't been medically cleared yet even though WWE only expected him to be out for a few weeks to a couple months at most. Rumor going online is that Jordan's doctors have cleared him but WWE refuses to do the same.
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:39 PM   #43887
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If it was done in the 2000's you'd use somebody like Eddie Guerrero. That would have been a great way for him to become champ while he was probably the best performer in the company.
I like the idea. Before you said Eddie I was think Andrade Almos, who is WWE’s top Mexican heavyweight. Would be a good angle for sure. It could lead up to him taking the US title which would be good heat.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:15 PM   #43888
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Almas would be a good pick for this, especially because it would add to Zelina Vega pulling off another great "business move" for him.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:24 PM   #43889
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I looked him up and his hammerlock DDT looks a bit dangerous.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:59 PM   #43890
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According to the WWE, the actual details of their deal with the Saudi government can not be revealed due to confidentially clauses in the contract.

Turns out WWE was a bit sloppy trying to hide it in their recent investor's report and its rumored to be in the range of $49 million per year. Basis for the number is a revenue spike in an area of WWE's financial report that WWE left vague for why it happened.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:37 PM   #43891
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Lol this got pointed out on a podcast that I listen to and it's so nerdy and stupid, but hilarious at the same time.

When the WWE made gave X Factor the Uncle Kracker theme, they took the first time the word "X Factor" was said and spliced it into the rest of the song because they were too cheap to have Uncle Kracker actually record it

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Old 07-27-2018, 01:19 AM   #43892
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Hollywood Rock got more cheers than Face Rock who faced Brock Lesnar. WWE books heels more like faces.
In Rock's case though it speaks more to his ability as a performer to control crowds like he was the puppetmaster and they were his puppets. He was able to get them to pop with his catchphrases and other mannerisms only to be able to quickly get heat from them again by doing things like yelling at them not to chant or sing along with him. Very few heels nowadays, however, seem to be able to do that to the degree he can...maybe Elias is starting to build to that point but I don't feel he's there just yet.
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:29 AM   #43893
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I haven't seen WWE in years mate. I'm just back into watching documentaries and old matches recently.

It would have to be somebody nobody would expect. Somebody over but not near the title scene so that a sneaky fast-rise would look confusingly legit and completely out of the blue.
How about Zack Ryder whom resident wrestling forum grouch Noid loathes to no end? Anything to get under his skin would be most excellent IMHO!
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:55 AM   #43894
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Seems Jason Jordan is dealing with a Daniel Bryan situation right now.

PWI reported he still hasn't been medically cleared yet even though WWE only expected him to be out for a few weeks to a couple months at most. Rumor going online is that Jordan's doctors have cleared him but WWE refuses to do the same.
This seems very weird. Jordan seems like someone they would rush back if the clearance was there. If there's something to this, it's certainly an odd situation. It's possible that Jordan is just out longer than expected and people are misjudging the time-frames he was out by.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:15 AM   #43895
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The Sasha vs Bayley Saga

1/28/18 - Women’s Royal Rumble match
Sasha eliminates Bayley after entering #1 (Thanks Rated_R_Poster for reminding me)
1/29/18 – Sasha has great match with Asuka which she loses.
2/5/18 – Sasha believes she can beat Asuka, but Bayley boasts she has beaten Sasha before, which mean she can beat Asuka too.
Bayley has a match with Asuka and loses, but Asuka shakes her hand afterwards which she did not do to Sasha.
2/12/18 – Bayley and Sasha snipe back and forth and Kurt Angle makes a match between the two.
Bayley got the win. After the match they stare at each other before Nia Jax interrupts and destroys both of them.
2/19/18 – Bayley and Sasha team with Mickie in a 6 woman tag with all Chamber participants.
2/25/18 – Elimination chamber match and Sasha and Bayley’s Lion King moment.
2/26/18 – Another 6 woman tag with them on a team. Initially seem to be getting along once the match started Sasha clearly wanted the win for herself, but eventually conceded and went to tag Bayley who hopped off the apron.
Sasha tags Asuka in and Bayley does aid Asuka. Ends with Sasha staring daggers at Bayley.
3/5/18 – Bayley has a match against Mandy Rose w/ Absolution at ringside.
Bayley overcomes the odds and wins but gets beat down after the match.
Sasha runs them off and helps Bayley to her feet, but Bayley refuses to give her a hug!
3/12/18 – Sasha versus Sonya Deville w/ Bayley and Absolution at ringside. Bayley does help Sasha during the match, but leaves after Sasha picks up the win allowing her to be beatdown by Absolution.
3/19/18 – Sasha decides to forgive Bayley, because she is the bigger person. gasp
The Hug gangster clearly does not believe the Boss’ words and responds.
Bayley states that she didn’t mind what Sasha did during the Chamber match, but rather how much she seemed to enjoy.
They are interrupted by Absolution and a tag match starts.
Sasha accidentally distracts the ref from counting what would have been the winning pin by Bayley.
Bayley is pushed in Sasha, who is on the apron, knocking her off leading to Bayley getting pinned and losing the match.
3/26/18 – Sasha and Bayley become the first 2 women to declare themselves in the Wrestlemania Andre the Tiny Moolah Fabulous trophy battle royale.
Bayley and Sasha argue back and forth, Bayley claiming that Sasha always took advantage of her and Sasha made no apologies for her me first mentality.
Bayley finally hits a nerve when she says “Even though Banks was a 4 time champion, she never held it for that long.”
Which led to Sasha throwing Bayley into lockers and the two fighting before being pulled apart by refs.
4/2/18 – Bayley vs Sonya Deville w/ Absolution at ringside. Bayley wins, but gets beatdown after the match.
Sasha comes down for the save and then aggressively demands that Bayley allow her to raise her hand. Bayley refuses and the two brawl again.
Absolution takes advantage of them fighting one another and takes both women out.
4/8/18 – WM Battle Royale, Bayley eliminates Sasha to win! Or not. Have Naomi win and then Banks and Bayley both wallow in defeat outside while Naomi hugs bronze ovaries.
4/9/18 – Sasha vs Mandy Rose w/ Absolution at ringside (Paige announces her retirement on this episode)
Bayley makes her entrance right before the match starts.
Mandy Rose goads Bayley into taking a swing and she accidentally hits Sasha instead who goes on to lose.
4/16/18 – First day of Superstar shakeup.
Bayley vs Sasha #2 gets interrupted by the debuting on Raw Riott Squad, and are beatdown.
4/23/18 – 5 on 5 women’s tag w/ Bayley and Sasha on the same team. Rousey eventually comes out and causes a DQ loss for the two. No real significant interaction between them.
4/30/18 – Sasha can’t get a hold of Bayley and has to go into her match tonight without her.
Sasha vs Ruby Riott w/ the Riott Squad at ringside (I’m sensing a pattern here)
Sasha ends up losing thanks to the numbers game, while Bayley was shown backstage watching the match, but not going out to help.
5/7/18 – MITB Qualifying match Sasha vs Ruby Riott vs Ember Moon w/ Riott Squad and Bayley at ringside
Bayley attempts to help and fight off the other members of the Riott Squad, but Ember Moon ends up taking the victory
5/14/18 – MITB qualifying match Bayley vs Alexa Bliss vs Mickie James
Alexa wins
No interaction between the two
5/21/18 – The breathtaking Emmy worth segment that was Bobby Lashley’s sisters occurred.
Neither Sasha or Bayley was on this episode.
5/28/18 – MITB qualifying gauntlet match
Bayley starts at number 1 and between both Liv Morgan at 2 and Sarah Logan at 3, before being down by both allowing Ruby Riott at 4 to pick up the easy win.
Sasha comes in last and is able to beat a very game Ruby Riott who had already eliminated Bayley, Dana Brooke, and Mickie James, qualifying for the last spot in the MITB match.
6/4/18 – The Riott Squad vs Sasha Banks, Alexa Bliss, and Ember Moon.
Alexa fakes an injury causing Bayley to run down and take her place on Sasha’s team.
Bayley gets the win but Corbin got Angle to overrule it since she wasn’t legally in the match. Ruining what was a near moment of reconciliation between the two.
6/11/18 – Bayley gets an R painted on her chest in lipstick by the Riott Squad after getting beatdown.
Sasha competed in a fatal four way with the other MITB Raw contenders.
No interaction between the two.
6/17/18 – MITB match Sasha loses
Bayley not on the show, so no interaction.
My life feels very tedious right now
6/18/18 – Sasha & Bayley vs Liv Logan & Sarah Morgan
Liv pins Sasha with a handful of tights, Sasha gets upset and pushes Bayley to the ground.
Bayley follows Sasha backstage and attempts to confront her, but Sasha ignored her pleas leading to another brawl between the two.
Bayley tries to talk to Sasha once again, but Sasha again wouldn’t listen and drives off. Bayley throwing a water bottle after the car in a futile gesture
It really is starting to sounds like a romantic comedy at this point.
6/25/18 – Angle says that the two are really important to Raw so he is giving them one more chance in a 3 on 3 tag match.
From the start they work very reluctantly together, and after Sasha is pinned Bayley goes wild and beats the crap out of Sasha.
Which leads to Angle ordering the two into mandatory counseling or lose their job.
7/2/18 – Both Sasha and Bayley were unaware that their session was going to be together.
Honesty theatre… I just don’t know what to say
This was horrible
7/9/18 – Second week of counseling
Bayley continues on about how Sasha has stabbed her in the back and we as viewers continue to tune out
Cole claims that the report will not be favorable for one them
7/16/18 – Kurt threatens to trade one of them to Smackdown if they can’t coexist in a tag match… Again
Sasha & Bayley vs Alicia & Dana
Sasha get them DQ’ed
Sasha says that only she gets to beat Bayley up and that she loves how she always cares, but that it is hard for her to be as open about her emotions as Bayley, leading to an emotional declaration of love.
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Re: Sasha vs. Bayley:

If they weren't going to feud, it seems weird to have them come to blows, but it seems weird to cool it down with all this other stuff. I wonder if the plan was to have them feud one week, and then it changed the next because they remembered they might want a set of Women's Tag belts?
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Seems Jason Jordan is dealing with a Daniel Bryan situation right now.

PWI reported he still hasn't been medically cleared yet even though WWE only expected him to be out for a few weeks to a couple months at most. Rumor going online is that Jordan's doctors have cleared him but WWE refuses to do the same.
His blood tests threw up some surprising information in the ongoing paternity case.
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Re: Sasha vs. Bayley:

If they weren't going to feud, it seems weird to have them come to blows, but it seems weird to cool it down with all this other stuff. I wonder if the plan was to have them feud one week, and then it changed the next because they remembered they might want a set of Women's Tag belts?
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Sasha turns on Bayley next week because she feels like Bayley isnt reciprocating the love Sasha is giving. And then the Summerslam match is made.
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I just worked out you can put people on your ignore list, so instead of getting frustrated and bent out of shape by the casual racism on these boards, I can just ignore the racists. Fucking brilliant.
How can you ignore yourself?
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The Northeast Wrestling show I was going to on Saturday got cancelled so much for seeing Johnny Mundo vs. Fenix in a steel cage
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one Thunder taping in 2000 featured a fan holding up a sign that read “I’M AT A WCW EVENT” while wearing a bag over his head. This wasn’t the only sign-█related comedy. A man named Peter Goldschmidt sued another man, Robert Catell, for appearing on WCW telecasts holding up various derogatory signs, including “PETER GOLDSCHMIDT LOSER 4 LIFE.” Apparently, the two used to be friends on Long Island. Then, one day, Catell asked Goldschmidt to help him move. Goldschmidt supposedly said he was unable to because it was a workday, and the friendship came to a bitter end, leading “Catell to travel around the nation and hold up disparaging signs at wrestling events. The number of lives that WCW ultimately affected is staggering.”
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As much as WCW gets atleast they didn't confiscate signs.

I remember tuning in one night and front and center there was a sign that said "Rather be at raw"
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Does WWE still confiscate the signs then? That's a good way to inspire fan initiative.
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Old 07-27-2018, 04:54 PM   #43908
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Does WWE still confiscate the signs then? That's a good way to inspire fan initiative.
Went to RAW a few years ago (2012 I think) with a sign that read "Go Fusco Yourself" and it was confiscated pretty much immediately.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:19 PM   #43909
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Does WWE still confiscate the signs then? That's a good way to inspire fan initiative.
Still hear reports about it on occcasion but think now they just start moving people away from the hard cam shots if they have signs WWE doesn't like.

Happened a few weeks ago with someone with a giant "MAGA" sign who showed it once and then was either moved to a different seat or kicked out.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:24 PM   #43910
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His blood tests threw up some surprising information in the ongoing paternity case.


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Old 07-27-2018, 06:56 PM   #43912
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What is the story behind The Miz's "Be Miz" thing? Is it a parody of something? He's been using it forever, and I've never really gotten what it is about.
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Reading Gary Hart's autobiography. The first chapter is wild!
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Old 07-28-2018, 09:26 AM   #43914
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Reading Gary Hart's autobiography. The first chapter is wild!
Nice, how did you get your copy of it? I've herd that was a tough get.

Also, I see you are getting slowly back into wrestling now that you quit your job! Not a bad interest to pick back up Seanny!
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If they got rid of the back text and put the Braun logo on the front, would be one of the best wrestling shirts they ever released.
Yeah it could be improved but still, that is a great graphic.
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Reading Gary Hart's autobiography. The first chapter is wild!
Gary Hart is about as truthful as Bruce Prichard, but I heard the stories are pretty fun regardless. Would love to find a copy.
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For those who ask "What the hell is a Joey Janella"... these are the promo videos for "Lost In New York" which is co promoted with Game Changer Wrestling. GCW seems to be a hardcore fed, I've never been to their shows but they work here in the North East. I'm going to "Lost in New York" and videos like this is why I'm so excited...
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What is the story behind The Miz's "Be Miz" thing? Is it a parody of something? He's been using it forever, and I've never really gotten what it is about.
I remember he and Morrison used to always yell, "BE JEALOUS!" at the end of their promos. Then they had the feud where Morrison called Miz the Jannetty to his Michaels only for Miz to win the feud and of course he enjoyed/is enjoying way more success than his former team partner, which, one could argue, could lead to Miz seeing himself as the Michaels to Morrison's Jannetty, thus leading other superstars to wish they were him and perhaps "BE JEALOUS!" was changed to "BE MIZ" to try to convey that message?

Just my guess.
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I remember he and Morrison used to always yell, "BE JEALOUS!" at the end of their promos. Then they had the feud where Morrison called Miz the Jannetty to his Michaels only for Miz to win the feud and of course he enjoyed/is enjoying way more success than his former team partner, which, one could argue, could lead to Miz seeing himself as the Michaels to Morrison's Jannetty, thus leading other superstars to wish they were him and perhaps "BE JEALOUS!" was changed to "BE MIZ" to try to convey that message?

Just my guess.
That is probably the best explanation I can imagine being given. Thanks.
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