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Old 08-02-2020, 12:07 AM   #56641
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Vince McMahon's dealings with Saudi Arabia are just a desperation deal because he wants the expendable cash to be able to buy the Pacific Ocean to stop Chris Jericho from doing his vanity cruise there, people.
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:11 AM   #56642
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The WWE gives a shit about money. That's what all their business dealings are about. The only interest the WWE ever had in AEW was if it were going to pose a risk to their future dealings when it comes to TV rights fees. Then the TV show dropped, AEW chased away about half the live viewers interested in it and they got super-excited about a $45 million per year deal that has them locked in for years and years. Vince is fucking laughing. Raw and SmackDown are so far ahead in terms of viewership, demos, international penetration and basically everything, and AEW so keen to box themselves into what was basically coverage for their production costs, that Vince McMahon basically has carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

NXT was successful in doing what it was put on the USA Network to do. Monetize developmental and prevent another company for gaining weight to be able to fuck with TV rights deal negotiations in a few years time. You don't have to love the WWE to accept that. I fucking hate it, because I want something different and something good. But AEW ain't it. Vince's "Eye for an Eye" shit is staring you right in the face and winking.
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:17 AM   #56643
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Or they just hired new writers because that's something they're basically constantly doing and they cycle people in and out and like the appearances of being a machine that churns out people for the production side of things? NXT hiring new lighting people is not some grand conspiracy to battle AEW -- it could just be them getting new lighting people/providing new training opportunities for Full Sail. Writers are the same deal.

It's possible that with Vince obviously getting closer and closer to moving away, they want to have more writers in because a lot of the NXT crew will be more involved in the main roster stuff, or possibly different ventures altogether. But that doesn't put AEW at the center of the narrative.

Also, lol at "ratings issues." They basically have the same viewership as AEW. Does it have a ratings issue? If they wanted to drastically increase NXT, they'd put big stars there more frequently and take it off the WWE Network so that people don't watch it the next day so readily. At least block it in the United States. NXT are fighting this "battle" with an arm tied behind their back at all times.

But sure, let's pretend that Vince McMahon is stressing out because AEW has a slightly higher demo and is a distant, distant #3 with hours six and seven throughout the wrestling week, and all he could think of was to hire some writers.
it ain't about competition but we'll just move our third brand to wednesday nights and have themed shows for no particular reason.
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:18 AM   #56644
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Or they just hired new writers because that's something they're basically constantly doing and they cycle people in and out and like the appearances of being a machine that churns out people for the production side of things? NXT hiring new lighting people is not some grand conspiracy to battle AEW -- it could just be them getting new lighting people/providing new training opportunities for Full Sail. Writers are the same deal.

It's possible that with Vince obviously getting closer and closer to moving away, they want to have more writers in because a lot of the NXT crew will be more involved in the main roster stuff, or possibly different ventures altogether. But that doesn't put AEW at the center of the narrative.

Also, lol at "ratings issues." They basically have the same viewership as AEW. Does it have a ratings issue? If they wanted to drastically increase NXT, they'd put big stars there more frequently and take it off the WWE Network so that people don't watch it the next day so readily. At least block it in the United States. NXT are fighting this "battle" with an arm tied behind their back at all times.

But sure, let's pretend that Vince McMahon is stressing out because AEW has a slightly higher demo and is a distant, distant #3 with hours six and seven throughout the wrestling week, and all he could think of was to hire some writers.
That's what PWI reported was the reason when they asked more about the hirings.

WWE wanted to do some shakeups in NXT's Creative to improve both its ratings and creative direction since what they are doing now isn't creating any real lasting benefits for the brand.

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I get why WWE made the switch, but I kinda wish NXT was one hour instead of two.
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Old 08-02-2020, 08:47 AM   #56646
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That's what PWI reported was the reason when they asked more about the hirings.

WWE wanted to do some shakeups in NXT's Creative to improve both its ratings and creative direction since what they are doing now isn't creating any real lasting benefits for the brand.
And that’s obviously bullshit. You could have discerned that before you posted it.

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I get why WWE made the switch, but I kinda wish NXT was one hour instead of two.
One hour shows actually leave you wanting more sometimes.

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it ain't about competition but we'll just move our third brand to wednesday nights and have themed shows for no particular reason.
NXT was already on Wednesdays. Getting on USA gives them a chance to make more money and make developmental profitable. Also marginalizes what AEW can achieve, which protects their larger slice of the market. There’s obviously a business strategy behind it. It’s common sense and not as exciting as “WWE fears AEW” though.
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Old 08-02-2020, 09:20 AM   #56648
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NXT was already on Wednesdays. Getting on USA gives them a chance to make more money and make developmental profitable. Also marginalizes what AEW can achieve, which protects their larger slice of the market. There’s obviously a business strategy behind it. It’s common sense and not as exciting as “WWE fears AEW” though.
sure. but they went live and changed the time slot of when the show aired. attempting to stifle aew in itself is an admission that they take them seriously. not saying they fear the new company but they do see it as a credible threat.

you're being a contrarian for the sake of being one because you think you're above the average wrestling fan but the sad truth is that every single wrestling fan in existence has an inflated perception of their own opinion. you're no different.
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so what hapened at the good bros ppv was it any good?
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sure. but they went live and changed the time slot of when the show aired. attempting to stifle aew in itself is an admission that they take them seriously. not saying they fear the new company but they do see it as a credible threat.

you're being a contrarian for the sake of being one because you think you're above the average wrestling fan but the sad truth is that every single wrestling fan in existence has an inflated perception of their own opinion. you're no different.
NXT was always on at 8:00pm. They got an extra hour because USA paid for it.

Why doesn't anybody seem to remember AEW getting a trademark for Tuesday Night Dynamite before they even had a TV deal?

AEW's original plan was for Tuesdays, in the wake of Smackdown moving to Fridays.

AEW spinning the big bad WWE trying to hurt us with NXT is utter bullshit.

If they went by their trademark, and THEN NXT moved to Tuesdays, they could say that. As it is, they scheduled their show at the same time NXT had been running for years, then got pissed NXT got a better TV deal than they did.

AEW's entire foundation is a work to garner sympathy against those meanies trying to hurt and hold them back.

It is the overall gimmick of the company, it is the gimmick of their champion, it is the gimmick of at least 5 other wrestlers, it is the gimmick of their producers, managers, ring announcers, and commentators. It is the gimmick they present in the show, in interviews, tweets, podcasts, and every other aspect of their lives.

They all think they are SOOOOO much better than WWE believed them to be because WWE doesn't understand anything.

Other than Cody, have any of them proved WWE wrong?
Spears got a Mohawk and zero personality.
Brodie Lee mocks Vince McMahon but nothing about him is must see. The Bucks even admitted he was like their 4th choice.
FTR is exactly the same, except now their tag opponents actually do way more flips, so their "no flips just fists" makes more sense.
Ryder is just himself without his woo woo gimmick, which was the only interesting thing about him.
Moxley is exactly the same, everything he does is goofy shit. I see zero difference from Dean Ambrose other than his name and attire. He has more gimmick matches, but that doesn't change his character.

AEW got incredibly lucky that Jericho wanted to be a part of the company. His on screen character has been amazing, but off screen he is every bit as whiney as anybody while promoting the big bad WWE agenda.

The entire company is in business because of the narrative "WWE BAD, AEW GOOD...but also look at all the WWE guys we have, but that doesn't mean we are Impact 2.0, so watch us and stick it to WWE, we are cool and hip and "wink wink" look how much fun we have, you can be in on the "wink wink" too, yay BE ELITE".
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so what hapened at the good bros ppv was it any good?
Apparently the Hand of AJ Styles from WrestleMania's Boneyard match made an appearance during the show.

Haven't actually watched it yet but supposedly it was a pretty enjoyable comedy style wrestling show based on the reactions around the net.
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sure. but they went live and changed the time slot of when the show aired. attempting to stifle aew in itself is an admission that they take them seriously. not saying they fear the new company but they do see it as a credible threat.

you're being a contrarian for the sake of being one because you think you're above the average wrestling fan but the sad truth is that every single wrestling fan in existence has an inflated perception of their own opinion. you're no different.
If they took AEW seriously, they wouldn’t do shit like Eye for an Eye. They went live and to two hours because nuts if some amateur hour promotion is going to get all the TV rights fees. WWE had trialed NXT on USA before. This just sped up the process.

Also, wrestling fans will watch anything, so this was a good way to slice into that audience. Now AEW fans get excited about 800k viewers.
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Yeah, he can talk to Moxley and Spears about how cool it is that their wives are still at that big bad place making the majority of their household incomes SOOOOOOOO ELITE!
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Macho Man is still the gold standard for best elbow drop in wrestling but Kairi Sane is a very close second with how sweet almost all of her elbow drops looked.

Only knock against Sane is she didn't get to showcase her great elbow drops more often on the main roster because of how much WWE botched handling her.
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Man, Kari Sane's elbows are soooooooooooo good. Hard to compare her and Macho Man's because they feel like completely different variations.
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Managed to catch the second half off GCW's show today and it was pretty entertaining.

Based on the stuff I saw, it was a lot more slow paced and less hardcore/deathmatch in terms of action compared to last week's set of crazy shows but still was a nice show to sit back and chill while watching.

Was the most interested in watching Kylie Rae's match since I figured it would have been on the second half of the show but that ended up being very early instead. Her current gimmick and style of wrestling is almost the complete opposite of what GCW typically offers.
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Old 08-02-2020, 08:54 PM   #56664
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Prefer how heavy Randy Savage comes off the top rope. Looks devastating.
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Old 08-02-2020, 09:20 PM   #56665
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Yeah, I would certainly agree Savage's were the best, just a thing of beauty.

I would also agree Kairi's is the next best thing. Just her downward trajectory looks so different, it makes it look more devastating once she lands it.
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:11 PM   #56666
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I'll never be able to pick between macho's and Kairi's.

Not sure what CM Punk or HBK are even doing on this list.
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:15 PM   #56667
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I vote Macho because Kairi is a woman and men are better than women. Scientific fact.
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This is wrestling all over. They've chased away people with taste and now you only have the most dedicated fan raising the average per head.
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Yeah, he can talk to Moxley and Spears about how cool it is that their wives are still at that big bad place making the majority of their household incomes SOOOOOOOO ELITE!
I somehow doubt that regarding their positions but...ok?
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If Spears is getting paid as much as even the most lowly WWE talent seems to get these days, then it's too much money.
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I want to feel bad for Spears. On one hand, the dude clearly has passion for what he does. He's been doing it for about 20 years now. And he looks good and isn't bad at it, per se. But he took a giant stab leaving the WWE to try and prove that he's got top guy potential because he let the NXT bubble get in his head. Now he's kind of been exposed as a dude with a definite ceiling, an overinflated sense of worth and doesn't get to see his smoking hot girlfriend who is around a lot of better paid and more talented guys all the time.

But the dude has also had way too much luck already, so it's probably the universe balancing itself out for him.
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:27 AM   #56673
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If they took AEW seriously, they wouldn’t do shit like Eye for an Eye. They went live and to two hours because nuts if some amateur hour promotion is going to get all the TV rights fees. WWE had trialed NXT on USA before. This just sped up the process.

Also, wrestling fans will watch anything, so this was a good way to slice into that audience. Now AEW fans get excited about 800k viewers.
i think you're missing the point. i am not insinuating that wwe fears aew but they are certainly aware of their potential and taking active steps to counter their programming. to expect aew to have similar ratings as monday night raw in its infancy is beyond stupid.

also, what do you mean by wrestling fans will watch anything? you're clearly one of them and judging by your posts, it seems like you spend a good amount of time watching wrestling. don't pretend to be any better than them.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:08 AM   #56675
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NXT was always on at 8:00pm. They got an extra hour because USA paid for it.

Why doesn't anybody seem to remember AEW getting a trademark for Tuesday Night Dynamite before they even had a TV deal?

AEW's original plan was for Tuesdays, in the wake of Smackdown moving to Fridays.

AEW spinning the big bad WWE trying to hurt us with NXT is utter bullshit.

If they went by their trademark, and THEN NXT moved to Tuesdays, they could say that. As it is, they scheduled their show at the same time NXT had been running for years, then got pissed NXT got a better TV deal than they did.

AEW's entire foundation is a work to garner sympathy against those meanies trying to hurt and hold them back.

It is the overall gimmick of the company, it is the gimmick of their champion, it is the gimmick of at least 5 other wrestlers, it is the gimmick of their producers, managers, ring announcers, and commentators. It is the gimmick they present in the show, in interviews, tweets, podcasts, and every other aspect of their lives.

They all think they are SOOOOO much better than WWE believed them to be because WWE doesn't understand anything.

Other than Cody, have any of them proved WWE wrong?
Spears got a Mohawk and zero personality.
Brodie Lee mocks Vince McMahon but nothing about him is must see. The Bucks even admitted he was like their 4th choice.
FTR is exactly the same, except now their tag opponents actually do way more flips, so their "no flips just fists" makes more sense.
Ryder is just himself without his woo woo gimmick, which was the only interesting thing about him.
Moxley is exactly the same, everything he does is goofy shit. I see zero difference from Dean Ambrose other than his name and attire. He has more gimmick matches, but that doesn't change his character.

AEW got incredibly lucky that Jericho wanted to be a part of the company. His on screen character has been amazing, but off screen he is every bit as whiney as anybody while promoting the big bad WWE agenda.

The entire company is in business because of the narrative "WWE BAD, AEW GOOD...but also look at all the WWE guys we have, but that doesn't mean we are Impact 2.0, so watch us and stick it to WWE, we are cool and hip and "wink wink" look how much fun we have, you can be in on the "wink wink" too, yay BE ELITE".
i stand corrected. you do make some very good points.

you're also overgeneralizing the company to a degree. it is an alternative to the juggernaut and gives performers a platform to showcase their talent. it came into existence because wwe had a monopoly over the business and defining the narrative for the industry. what if they're misfits and not as refined as wwe superstars, they've created a niche for themselves and are successfully taking a small piece of the pie. i think they deserve a lot of praise for having the balls to accomplish what they have in such short time.

from what i understand, aew does allow performers to have some level of control over what they do. i don't expect them to hit home runs every single time. they're going against the norm and i feel that is admirable. while aew isn't my cup of tea, i am not going to hold how they feel about wwe against them. wwe deserves a lot of criticism for how they handle talent and storylines. to be so dismissive of the company comes across as arrogant. let them do their thing and if you're not a fan, nobody is forcing you to watch it.
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and yes, that doesn't mean they don't deserve to be criticized. i agree with some of the points you've made.
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AEW is as big as it’s going to get. The WWE have succeeded in capping them/they’ve succeeded in capping themselves.
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i disagree with your assessment wholeheartedly.
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i cannot help but feel irked by how dismissive you are of individuals who've clearly worked hard to be where they are. also your objectification of a well respected female performer. you are like every other wrestling fan out there.

is there anything in the world of wrestling that brings you joy?
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