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Old 07-27-2021, 03:09 PM   #60801
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Ok I totally forgot how good Palmer Cannon was in this role.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:18 PM   #60802
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:27 PM   #60803
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:34 PM   #60804
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If this Vince were around in ‘87 Andre would have beaten Hogan clean at WM 3 and right after the pinfall there would just be 5 minutes of crowd shots.
If Hogan/Andre was happening now, the crowd would be cheering Andre and booing Hogan and crying that only one guy gets to look good.

Zack Ryder winning the IC Title was awful. I know that was just a random example, but that was the talent not knowing what is good or not and all pushing for Ryder to win the match.

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That’s the AEW textbook right there.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:40 PM   #60805
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I've hated that excuse forever. There's ALWAYS going to be something else on,
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:42 PM   #60806
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635k viewers were aged 18-49 in the ever infamous tweener known as 'The Demo'


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Old 07-27-2021, 04:57 PM   #60807
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Those darn tootin Olympians!




Seriously, on one of the more recent Fan Council questionnaires, the WWE wanted to know if there was any interest in having any current gold medalists on WWE TV.


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Old 07-27-2021, 05:00 PM   #60808
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The Olympics had 13 million viewers last night on NBC so I could see it
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:02 PM   #60809
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Please refer to the aforementioned flow chart, sir.
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:02 PM   #60810
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And then see the follow up from COO Gertner, advising on the facts.
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:41 PM   #60811
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I've hated that excuse forever. There's ALWAYS going to be something else on,
Yeah, “people would rather watch something else” always gets me a little miffed.
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:52 PM   #60812
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If Hogan/Andre was happening now, the crowd would be cheering Andre and booing Hogan and crying that only one guy gets to look good.
No. Because the crowd would be made up of a healthy mainstream audience that enjoys what they’re seeing and is rooting for what the company has successfully made them root for.

This “blame the audience” thing would be mind-blowingly dumb for any form of entertainment. WWE is no different. It’s weird that people have latched on to it.
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:06 PM   #60813
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Zack Ryder winning the IC Title was awful. I know that was just a random example, but that was the talent not knowing what is good or not and all pushing for Ryder to win the match.
Who exactly pushed for Ryder to win the match and what dirt did they have on Vince to force him to book it?
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:33 PM   #60814
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:49 PM   #60815
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No. Because the crowd would be made up of a healthy mainstream audience that enjoys what they’re seeing and is rooting for what the company has successfully made them root for.

This “blame the audience” thing would be mind-blowingly dumb for any form of entertainment. WWE is no different. It’s weird that people have latched on to it.
lol blaming the audience what a shitty cop out. If the product was good and the wrestlers were booked to be better than 50/50 and they actually built up guys siii when they won it meant something, the audience would take it.
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:25 PM   #60816
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If this Vince were around in ‘87 Andre would have beaten Hogan clean at WM 3 and right after the pinfall there would just be 5 minutes of crowd shots.
... then Hogan would get his win back on the next Saturday Night's Main Event on free TV.
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:34 PM   #60817
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:03 AM   #60818
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... then Hogan would get his win back on the next Saturday Night's Main Event on free TV.
They would then trade wins at the next 3 ppvs while also seeing action against each other in various tag matches
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:40 AM   #60819
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And also winning the tag titles together while Jesse Ventura pondered on commentary "CAN THEY CO-EXIST".

They would win said titles from an established team like The Hart Foundation.
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:46 AM   #60820
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The Hart Foundation would then be re-packaged as a comedy tag team before Bret Hart eventually got released for not reaching hard enough for that brass ring.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:43 PM   #60821
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lmfao this company remains tone deaf
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:52 PM   #60822
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lmfao this company remains tone deaf
They just do what they want and fuck what anyone else thinks, then they wonder why their ratings are in the shitter. Vince is too stubborn to admit he's out of touch, so this trend will continue until he's no longer in the picture.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:56 PM   #60823
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It's just cyclical, bro.
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:37 PM   #60824
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:38 PM   #60825
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The FOX/SmackDown deal doesn't end until fall 2024.

FOX can be pissed all they want but the deal will almost certainly run its course unless FOX decides to buy them out.
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Old 07-28-2021, 04:42 PM   #60829
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I'd be shocked if FOX found anything else that matched the demo they get from SD tbh
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Old 07-28-2021, 04:43 PM   #60830
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Being moved to SyFy definitely hurt NXT this week

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Old 07-28-2021, 11:41 PM   #60831
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They would then trade wins at the next 3 ppvs while also seeing action against each other in various tag matches
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And also winning the tag titles together while Jesse Ventura pondered on commentary "CAN THEY CO-EXIST".

They would win said titles from an established team like The Hart Foundation.
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The Hart Foundation would then be re-packaged as a comedy tag team before Bret Hart eventually got released for not reaching hard enough for that brass ring.
Confound it! I want this whole concept of "WWF in the 80s using current day WWE booking" to be a thread now, but fuck if I'm making it. Too much like work.
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Old 07-28-2021, 11:48 PM   #60832
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"If you don't count the Olympics..." what the fuck?

Only thing Dave made me curious about was what #2 was with this heafty qualifier... I'd venture to guess (before I get around to possibly maybe looking it up) that it wasn't even tangentially sports related.

Well, that and how far down the list this stuff actually was since Olympic coverage is often ranked by sport instead of a nebulous "as a whole" metric. Like, did RAW come in behind Women's Street Skateboard finals and how many events showed up before we got there?
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Old 07-29-2021, 01:45 AM   #60833
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No. Because the crowd would be made up of a healthy mainstream audience that enjoys what they’re seeing and is rooting for what the company has successfully made them root for.

This “blame the audience” thing would be mind-blowingly dumb for any form of entertainment. WWE is no different. It’s weird that people have latched on to it.
Wrestling fans are an odd sort, man. They don’t look for quality. They interact with the material they are allegedly fans of in ironic ways. The Hogan push doesn’t work in 2021. Not with kayfabe being as dead as it is now.

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Who exactly pushed for Ryder to win the match and what dirt did they have on Vince to force him to book it?
No one forced Vince to book it, but the story is that everyone in the match grouped together and really latched onto the idea of Ryder winning. Which makes them all idiots.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:22 AM   #60834
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One of the best entrances ever. Onita was badass. ZERO fucks given and taking his sweet time even while being pelted with garbage.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:58 AM   #60835
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Wrestling fans are an odd sort, man. They don’t look for quality. They interact with the material they are allegedly fans of in ironic ways.
There’s nothing intrinsic about being a wrestling fan that means you must also have this odd quirk.

What you’re talking about is a reaction to the product that has been presented. It’s a product that has turned off the common folk because it’s unwatchable as mainstream entertainment. It’s made a heel out of the company itself and fostered a hardcore audience made up of hate watching to make up for lack of quality.

The idea that some time in the early 2000s an entire fan base as a whole just snapped and became a badass hate watching machine as opposed to one old man changing the way business was done and fostering that reaction is some conspiracy theory shit.

If something is enjoyable, people will enjoy it. Whatever it is.
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Old 07-29-2021, 11:21 AM   #60836
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There’s nothing intrinsic about being a wrestling fan that means you must also have this odd quirk.

What you’re talking about is a reaction to the product that has been presented. It’s a product that has turned off the common folk because it’s unwatchable as mainstream entertainment. It’s made a heel out of the company itself and fostered a hardcore audience made up of hate watching to make up for lack of quality.

The idea that some time in the early 2000s an entire fan base as a whole just snapped and became a badass hate watching machine as opposed to one old man changing the way business was done and fostering that reaction is some conspiracy theory shit.

If something is enjoyable, people will enjoy it. Whatever it is.
He's just cranky because he's not in the key demo.
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Old 07-29-2021, 12:34 PM   #60837
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Steve Corino has done a promo with Allison Danger for his match with his son, Colby, and it's one of the best I've seen in a while.

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