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Old 01-14-2022, 12:42 AM   #7241
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You're definitely doing a good job of making everyone believe you're an idiot.
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:46 AM   #7242
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The rankings matter because they make you feel better about people with good records. Not because they are used like, you know, actual rankings to determine the pecking order.

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Old 01-14-2022, 12:48 AM   #7243
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:55 AM   #7244
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I thought the rankings and stat tracking was a neat idea but this long into the promotion it's proving to be a hindrance.

The example I keep going back to - Evil Uno and Stu Grayson haven't worked a regular tag match for AEW since September. And in early 2021 they were barely tagging either. They always end up in trios matches instead. This is because they don't want them racking up wins where they have to get a tag title shot, but they don't want them taking losses either. It's clunky and restrictive.
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Old 01-14-2022, 10:01 AM   #7245
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Doesn't have to be. They could have just given them a title shot on dynamite or something. The ranking could add unique and different kinds of storytelling, but it requires work and planning. So far they've been very lazy in how they've utilized it.
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Old 01-14-2022, 01:41 PM   #7246
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After all that hype and that amazing entrance, that even had my brother message me and ask who he was (despite having not watched wrestling for a decade), is he going to be a tag guy now?

If so, that is really poor. He had people talking when he came in and should have been pushed to the moon.
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Old 01-14-2022, 06:05 PM   #7247
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The ranking system was and always will be a bad idea. The beauty of pro-wrestling is that you can control things. Having a fixed scorecard takes away elements of your control. You end up at the mercy of the stats. The emotional connection to a push is way more important than how many wins theyíve actually had.
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Old 01-14-2022, 08:09 PM   #7248
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Wrestling is all about capitalizing on the buzz when someone is hot. You need to be free to do that. WWE is rotten nowadays, but AEW are proving to be the worst at capitalizing on the buzz. Malakai Black looked awesome, and now he is going to tag? What?

CM Punkís return was called ďone of the most anticipated nights in a a decadeĒ by one wrestling article, and then he wrestled Bobby Fish, some guy called Garcia and QT Marshall and feuded with some Indy guy that no casual will have ever heard of (Kingston)

You jump on someone when they are hot. No casual is tuning in now no matter what is next. You have stuck the red hot iron in cold water.

It would be like Undertaker coming back after one of his breaks and getting into it with Crash Holly before having random matches with Val Venis and Steve Blackman on Smackdown and Superstars. Completely bizarre.
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Old 01-14-2022, 08:27 PM   #7249
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No casual is tuning in period.

I’m fine with the rankings but they need to set it up like power rankings. Punk beating Darby is a big deal. He was relatively fresh off a long title reign and immensely popular. If they ranked guys on quality of wins instead the rankings would work better.

Add it stands I think they’re fine. It almost worked to get Hangman back into the main event scene before he took off for daddy duty. They used it to push Jurassic Express (who should’ve been the one to dethrone the Bucks). It’s hit and miss but it certainly hasn’t hindered their booking.

When they get somebody like Abadon rising up its not difficult to give her a throwaway title match on free TV.

But Vito is right. It’s been clunky.
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:22 PM   #7250
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didn't you guys hear? casuals are make believe
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Old 01-14-2022, 11:46 PM   #7251
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I like Daniel Garcia. I don’t love him. I think he’s way overexposed in his current spot. But if he was in an OVW or NXT I think he would stand out heaps. He carries himself seriously. They just like to tell and not show. And when it’s time to tell they just show.
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Old 01-14-2022, 11:52 PM   #7252
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Someone from Canada provided some perspective on the ratings in Canada for me. They said the Dynamite beats Raw and SmackDown thing is misleading. Dynamite is shown once, which is when you have to watch it. Raw and SmackDown and both apparently replayed throughout the week. They sell advertising to that as well. Obviously people watch them.

AEW Rampage apparently isn’t even shown on cable (this is despite their popularity, of course), and they don’t even have a slot in Australia, which is a pretty big market to miss out on.
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I say this weekly, easily. Maybe more. But AEW has GOT to cut/not renew several/and I mean a dozen or more active wrestlers from theirs contracts.

I just saw an article about Tony Neese. This dude is nearly perfect, body at an insane level, working ability as good as it gets... Never had a major story in any company... He leaves WWE to get an angle on AEW Dark.

Jay Lethal. A dude who fills a major social need of equality in wrestling, incredible worker and promo, a future HOF performer. Yes finally AEW is working an angle with him and Starks (and I think it's excellent so far) but why did it take two months!?

Andrade when he came into AEW I swear to God was a main event talent. We were able to forget about his poor usage in WWE and he was getting thrust to the top immediately, right? Wrong. Just fucking wrong. These horrible backstage angles are not moving anyone forward or creating any interest.. why does this guy have to have such a cheese dick gimmick? Can't he just be a hot dude that is good at wrestling, has cool matches and doesn't speak English? You can get over on that in AEW.

Those are some of the major characters that I think are underused. We also have Fish, O'Riellly, Ethan Page, Thunder Rosa, Malakai, Leo Rush and Miro that are new to AEW and underused on TV.

I always think "who should AEW cut?"

Usually the list of talents I come up with aren't really dominating the screen on Dynamite. Janela, Kiss, Red Velvet, Luther and the like. AEW has to deal with some of the talent that just aren't progressing on Dynamite and replace them with the newer talent I talked about above.

I think I can do without the Best Friends, I like them all but ultimately they are taking a spot from people who I'd rather be watching. Maybe they just break up and go separate ways until and eventual reunion but I'm tired of this group on tv.

Dark Order. Yes Silver has a connection to the fans but ultimately the group is a failure and really has no way forward at this point. I wouldn't miss it if Dark Order was just never mentioned again as an active unit in AEW.

Inner Circle, time to go. Hager just has to go for good. The stable is done, time to end it. Hager is the only one that needs to be released, Jericho eh... I can do without. Hopefully WWE snags him.

Hobbs, yeah I know AEW has a deficit of black workers but Hobbs sucks and hasn't improved at all since day one. Replace Hobbs with Keith Lee and don't tell anyone.
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Someone from Canada provided some perspective on the ratings in Canada for me. They said the Dynamite beats Raw and SmackDown thing is misleading. Dynamite is shown once, which is when you have to watch it. Raw and SmackDown and both apparently replayed throughout the week. They sell advertising to that as well. Obviously people watch them.

AEW Rampage apparently isnít even shown on cable (this is despite their popularity, of course), and they donít even have a slot in Australia, which is a pretty big market to miss out on.
Meltzer and the like are just doing rating gymnastics again, cherry picking data that supports the story they want to write.
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Meltzer and the like are just doing rating gymnastics again, cherry picking data that supports the story they want to write.
They want this to succeed so bad that they are actually going to hurt it by giving it a false sense of self.
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I say this weekly, easily. Maybe more. But AEW has GOT to cut/not renew several/and I mean a dozen or more active wrestlers from theirs contracts.

I just saw an article about Tony Neese. This dude is nearly perfect, body at an insane level, working ability as good as it gets... Never had a major story in any company... He leaves WWE to get an angle on AEW Dark.

Jay Lethal. A dude who fills a major social need of equality in wrestling, incredible worker and promo, a future HOF performer. Yes finally AEW is working an angle with him and Starks (and I think it's excellent so far) but why did it take two months!?

Andrade when he came into AEW I swear to God was a main event talent. We were able to forget about his poor usage in WWE and he was getting thrust to the top immediately, right? Wrong. Just fucking wrong. These horrible backstage angles are not moving anyone forward or creating any interest.. why does this guy have to have such a cheese dick gimmick? Can't he just be a hot dude that is good at wrestling, has cool matches and doesn't speak English? You can get over on that in AEW.

Those are some of the major characters that I think are underused. We also have Fish, O'Riellly, Ethan Page, Thunder Rosa, Malakai, Leo Rush and Miro that are new to AEW and underused on TV.

I always think "who should AEW cut?"

Usually the list of talents I come up with aren't really dominating the screen on Dynamite. Janela, Kiss, Red Velvet, Luther and the like. AEW has to deal with some of the talent that just aren't progressing on Dynamite and replace them with the newer talent I talked about above.

I think I can do without the Best Friends, I like them all but ultimately they are taking a spot from people who I'd rather be watching. Maybe they just break up and go separate ways until and eventual reunion but I'm tired of this group on tv.

Dark Order. Yes Silver has a connection to the fans but ultimately the group is a failure and really has no way forward at this point. I wouldn't miss it if Dark Order was just never mentioned again as an active unit in AEW.

Inner Circle, time to go. Hager just has to go for good. The stable is done, time to end it. Hager is the only one that needs to be released, Jericho eh... I can do without. Hopefully WWE snags him.

Hobbs, yeah I know AEW has a deficit of black workers but Hobbs sucks and hasn't improved at all since day one. Replace Hobbs with Keith Lee and don't tell anyone.
Best Friends should have gone yesterday. The problem is that if you have to split them up, youíre just creating a situation where you have to highlight four different acts instead of just one.

I think at the top, you can cut Matt Hardy, Paul Wight and Mark Henry. Thatís probably $3 million right there. Jericho is cooked. Moxley might be leaving anyway and doesnít do much good. Does Sting even matter anymore? Thatís probably a total of $8 million right there.

Who really cares about the rest of the Inner Circle? Sammy, Santana and Ortiz might be good talents, but they donít matter. I can see why you would keep Sammy though.

Problem is it then becomes about guys who arenít featured by should be. FTR can be cut. Miro. Malakai Black. PAC. Andrade. None of them really matters to the identity of the company. If youíre getting rid of Black, get rid of Brody King too. Why are The Butcher & The Blade still there? Private Party? Rebel? Serena Deeb? Nyla Rose? Vickie Guerrero?

Just fire half the goddamn roster.
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I make a lot of jokes about Matt Hardy but I truly feel he adds a huge value for AEW in a lot of ways. The Hardy's have a real die hard fan base and he actually still has some really good matches.

I think Mox is one of the biggest stars and best characters they have so I wouldn't even dream of losing him.

Santana and Ortiz just need to get away from Jericho. They are capable of so much but just like the angle they are doing says they've been under Jericho shadow this whole time.

The AEW tag division should be an even bigger focus because of the amount of talent and also the amount of great teams they have. FTR is amazing and should always be featured.

Sting and Darby is a great part time thing. Sting is a God in AEW and really fun to have around so I wouldn't lose him.

Malakai is amazing and Brody King and him may do some great stuff together. Malakai could be a ppv main eventer imo.

We got Mustafa Ali gonna be available soon likely, a guy worth utilizing, Johnny Mundo is available... It's a wild scene right now.
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The Acclaimed have definitely hit level of interest from me and others that I didn't expect. They are really good. So many good teams in AEW and truthfully the tag champs are not even in the top 5 teams!
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Sting has presence in aew, and feels special. AEW has done a much better job of utilizing him than WWE did.
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Cody Rhodes has apparently not signed a new contract with AEW. Probably a boring fucking angle or something, but Sean Ross Sapp seems to think it is a legit situation.
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Dark Order. Yes Silver has a connection to the fans but ultimately the group is a failure and really has no way forward at this point. I wouldn't miss it if Dark Order was just never mentioned again as an active unit in AEW.
I get what you're saying. Which is a shame as I actually like most of the Dark Order crew:

-Really enjoy Silver and Reynolds as a plucky undercard face team

-Uno and Grayson haven't been given a chance to show what they can actually do...the Bucks worked with them a TON on the indies and went out of their way to sign them within a week of the promotion forming, how those teams didn't meet up during the Dark Order/Elite feud is beyond me

-Anna Jay shows promise and is a total smokeshow

-Colt Cabana has always been one of my faves

-Don't really care about 5 or 10, unfortunately. But they're Nightmare Factory products and I assume they'll always try to keep a few of guys like that around.

As a group though I don't really know what they bring to the table anymore. Hangman is basically a member by proxy so it sets up a bunch of goofy faces for all of his heel challengers to run through but that's about it.

And yet I am pretty confident that out of every stable in AEW, Dark Order will be the one that permanently sticks around. Members may cycle in and out but I bet they're always going to keep Dark Order alive solely because it was Brodie's group. I don't think that's reason enough to keep the group going but I think it's what TK will do. Dude probably envisions Brodie Jr. running the stable in a decade.
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Brandi has also taken “Chief Brandi Officer” out of her bio. That’s what indicates that it might be a work to me. But fingers crossed.
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I’m now dreaming of a world in which Cody negotiates a one-night return to the Royal Rumble, preferably as Stardust, and then waltzes out on the next Dynamite to huge heat.

It’s not happening, but that would be fucking hilarious.
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I thought all the EVPs signed 5 year deals? If they were 3 year deals then those would be expired, as they originally signed on January 2nd, 2019.
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Old 01-17-2022, 03:35 PM   #7273
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Also, I don't think anybody from AEW's top level would be booked well long term in WWE, but Cody would be the one with the best chance.
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I heard The Bucks and Cody had re-signed, but maybe that was The Bucks and Omega? Although I thought Omega was signed for 4 years.

Whatever. Cody will probably try to dip his toes further into “acting.” He might do a few matches for the NWA/ROH somewhere if he leaves. Which he probably won’t because so much of his stuff is tied up in AEW.
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This just reeks of an angle designed to make Fightful look stupid, and so Cody can come out on Dynamite and talk about not being appreciated while being TNT Champion, etc. A knockoff of the CM Punk leaving ROH angle.
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Cody winning the Royal Rumble CONFIRMED
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The women's Rumble. Last eliminating Impact Knockouts Champion Mickie James.
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The best way for Cody to go full heel would be to show up in the Rumble. The reaction on Dynamite would be like that RAW after Reigns beat Undertaker.
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Lol, I saw a tweet poking fun at the idea that this is the best time for Cody and Triple H to go and start their own promotion together.

Cody and Jeff Jarrett I can see.
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The contract situations for a lot of guys is going to be interesting over the course of the year.

Moxley is coming up to 3 years with AEW. When’s his deal up? With everything he’s gone through, who knows how he is feeling mentally about where he’s at?

If Cody did leave and start up his own thing, who would follow him? There used to be quite a few guys who were known as “Cody guys.” MJF, Shawn Spears, FTR, etc. Would they all leave at this point? Would Dustin go with his brother? How easy are AEW deals to get out of?
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