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Old 06-01-2022, 07:55 AM   #1
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I'm never one to complain about stakes because I enjoy low-stakes shows where we do a lot of character work and "hanging out." But the stakes for some reason feel WAY too low in Obi-Wan given the players involved. It's fucking Darth Vader trying to get revenge on the mofo that turned him into stumps and burnt flesh and I feel like I'm watching episodes of Rebels.

It's a fun show, no doubt. And I'll watch an hour of Ewan McGregor every week since he's the man. But even with the badass inquisitors and Obi/Leia on the run in constant fear, there's somehow a galling lack of intensity and emotion.
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You're not wrong, but how do you create stakes when we know the main characters survive. Solo had the same problem.
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You're not wrong, but how do you create stakes when we know the main characters survive. Solo had the same problem.
Better Call Saul does it all the time.

And I hate that I used the term "stakes" because it's so overused and a hackneyed critique IMO. So many armchair experts who say, "BUT WHERE'S THE STAKES" and I can't help but roll my eyes because I'd argue too many shows have too many stakes, therefore eliminating all meaning in any of the said stakes. When all there are is stakes, there's nothing actually at stake.

Conversely, I love when shows take something that's seemingly meaningless and give it weight.

With Kenobi, they've decided it's Obi getting his groove back...which makes sense contextually. But they aren't putting him in interesting enough scenarios for it to work for me. Everything just feels slow, stilted, and unimaginative. And there's a distinct lack of grandeur.

Perhaps, he could've been more like Maximus in Gladiator after he lost everything.

Or, I'd have preferred if Obi-Wan flirted with full-on psychosis/madness instead of not wanting to fight. It would've made sense, especially considering in A New Hope, everyone thinks he's some crazy old hermit who lives out in the Dune Sea. Of course, by then, he's wise and sage. But it'd have been interesting if he earned the reputation for being a bit of a nutter.

Instead, we have a miniseries that's a lesser version of Mando and it's of the same quality as middling Feloni cartoon episodes. Sure, some Rebels, Clone Wars, and Bad Batch episodes are great, but they're more than willing to throw in clunkers. And there's no time for that in a miniseries.

I could deal with some of the missteps in Boba Fett because it was clearly a transitional show and the crimelord element had its plusses despite not fleshing out the way it should have. However, I figured they'd go guns-a-blazing with Kenobi and it's really quite blasé. It's disappointing that it's so sanitized given the backstory and even the non-movie canon (e.g., the Darth Vader comics) they can work with.
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Just watched the third episode and came here to say I enjoyed it a lot.

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F yeah Vader....

"Weird" at him starting a fire, burning Obi-Wan for a bit, then putting out the fire via the force so his men could take Obi-Wan into custody for more torture later...... but then when someone else starts a fire he just stands and watches it as if we didn't JUST see him put out fire with the force
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i had the exact same thought but overall fuck yeah to the whole episode
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i had the exact same thought but overall fuck yeah to the whole episode
but i wrote a whole essay stating otherwise. Clearly I'm right because I wrote more. That's how it works.
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the only stakes i care about are steaks covered in ketchup and mayo
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splash a little worcestershire on there and you've basically got homemade A1

right? yeah. right. that sounds right.
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right? yeah. right. that sounds right.
I'd eat it.
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Can't sleep so watched the new episode.... hot stuff yet again.
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Was better than the previous 3.
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I want to like this cause Ewan as Obi-Wan rules, but there are a lot of really dumb moments that keep taking me out of it. Years of watching a zombie wizard wrestle in wwe has strengthened my sense of disbeleif but even im at my limit with some of these scenes.

Should just give all these star wars shows to Dave Filoni and Bryce Dallas Howard. Their episodes are always the best.
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Old 06-09-2022, 10:28 PM   #14
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Yeah I agree Figgy. For once. You fucker. Show is fun and decent, but I feel it's underdelivered for the reasons you've brought forth and the fact that considering who's involved, every episode should be nothing short of very, very good (I won't even say excellent). And it's been a string of c-minuses to c-plusses IMO
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Also uh, pretty sure the Grand Inquisitor isnt supposed to be dead.
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I guarantee he's not dead. Which is annoying in and of itself.
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Pretty sure Leia isn't supposed to know Obi-Wan either, it is what it is I guess....
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Pretty sure Leia isn't supposed to know Obi-Wan either, it is what it is I guess....
I bet they'll do some kind of memory wipe...which again...annoying AF.
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Pretty sure Leia isn't supposed to know Obi-Wan either, it is what it is I guess....
Leia is the one who sent R2 looking for Obi-Wan in Episode 4
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I was hoping Asajj Ventress would make an appearance, but I guess she died in some book.

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She died along with Quinlan in that book, who's been referenced as still being alive in Kenobi.
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Almost as bad as Aura Singh being killed off in a line from Solo.
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Did they say he was still alive? I thought they just said he had passed through the hideaway at some point.
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Asajj was apparently killed by Dooku so shes gone either way.

Although it says she was laid to rest at Dathomir, and that place is super spooky, so maybe the witches there could use their hoodoo to bring her back.

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Since Asaaj was killed in a book, I really wouldn't take that canon to the bank.
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Thought I remember seeing that all books after the expanded universe was cancelled would be official canon.
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Thought I remember seeing that all books after the expanded universe was cancelled would be official canon.
I just don't think they fear playing fast and loose with the books.
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Think that one in particular was just some unproduced Clone Wars episodes, so would be fairly "canon".....

But yeah, I mean Darth Maul literally got cut in half and survived so whatever
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I watched Leia's message to Obi-Wan last night, and there is arguably a BIT of wiggle room in what she says. You'd think she'd be like "Wurd, remember the time you saved me from the Inquisitors and all that shit?" but she also never says they've never met. More just reminding him how he helped her dad years ago, and she needs his help now.
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I watched Leia's message to Obi-Wan last night, and there is arguably a BIT of wiggle room in what she says. You'd think she'd be like "Wurd, remember the time you saved me from the Inquisitors and all that shit?" but she also never says they've never met. More just reminding him how he helped her dad years ago, and she needs his help now.
its heavy retcon. its not worth defending it. same with "last we met i was but a student. now i am the master." the show doesnt give two shits about continuity. and fair enough. just take it for what it is. the mental gymnastics needed to make this show work could burst your brain
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It's a fuckin stretch, but I really hope they do something to amend it by the final episode.
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Fuck that! They can just update the original.
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Would be honestly "cool" to just say "F it" and remake the original, but include things and characters that just plain didn't exist in continuity before. Maybe adapt some of the Marvel Comics that have been expanding the story in between the movies because they have been pretty cool. Release "A New Hope" remake/update, then Disney+ series about the time in-between movies, then "Empire Strikes Back" remake/update... etc

Then after Return of the Jedi, just throw out the new trilogy and remake that too.
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They literally did retcon this one old dude with a beard in Return of the Jedi into being Captain Rex:
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Re: Latest Obi-Wan episode

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Holy poop Vader in this. Hot damn. Seen him rip an X-Wing out of the air in the comics but this was just badass seeing him do something like that in live action.

I don't see what Reva's plan was here.... wants vengeance on Vader, so becomes an inquisitor as a way to get close to him..... then is ruthlessly obsessed with drawing out Kenobi to get in Vader's good graces, so he wouldn't see it coming or something....

Then she finally gets Kenobi, he tells her that she should strike now because Vader will be blind with rage at him.... so she places Kenobi in an easily escapable situation where she isn't watching, then strikes at Vader only after he is no longer distracted by Kenobi.... dunno what she is playing at.

Not to mention earlier when they are trying to break down the door, she has them try to shoot it down..... but then instantly just cuts through it with her lightsaber. She's got a weird working style.
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lol why didn’t Vader just walk around the fire? Or better yet, he just forced pushed to blow out the fire like 10 seconds earlier, but now he’s like “welp nothing to be done about this fire, I guess we’ll just let Obi Wan escape” After the first episode I had my hopes up that it would at least be decent, but nope this thing is an absolute turd sandwich.
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He’s afraid of fire… and he doesn’t like sand…
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I decided to watch this Obi Wan show and it’s alright to be honest.
I tried to like Star Wars but never could get into it, I do like Darth Vader though and there’s plenty of him so far.

I enjoyed his show of force in the last episode. Was nice to get a look at his skills.
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There should be a Palpatine show done in the style of Saved By The Bell, they could name it “Palpa-Teen” and we could see how his adolescent acne outbreaks drove him to the dark side.

They could do a similar show about the origins of R2D2 and call it “Bot Meets World”.

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There should be a Palpatine show done in the style of Saved By The Bell, they could name it “Palpa-Teen” and we could see how his adolescent acne outbreaks drove him to the dark side.

They could do a similar show about the origins of R2D2 and call it “Bot Meets World”.

I’m here if you’re hiring Disney.
Have you seen Disney’s slates for Star Wars and Marvel? These don’t seem that unlikely.
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