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Old 03-12-2023, 03:36 PM   #13321
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He was out injured wasn’t he? Tony seems to do the deal of adding time on for injuries.
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It’s possible he could have done that. Does Christian have the weight behind himself to push back against that or even have it in writing that can’t be done? TK might also draw the line between compulsory time away because of injury and nominal time away recovering for something. Kenny Omega seems like a guy who had time added to his deal, but I think some of his medical stuff when he was out was optional. Plus there was the suspension.

I can see Christian being the sort of guy to get it put into writing that his start date is here and his end date is here.

With the time he seemed to get off too, I have wondered if he has a number of agreed upon dates and that AEW used him up early which is why there were odd stretches where he didn’t seem to do anything.
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I’m going to be so disappointed when he’s wrestling Orange Cassidy at Double or Nothing lol. It was just TK’s rushed booking.
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Old 03-12-2023, 04:13 PM   #13324
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I'm very optimistic about this. It will be interesting to see how Vince responds, if at all.
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I don’t regret being optimistic about AEW. There was potential in the idea. But I’ve got no problem admitting that they have been shitting the bed since day one.
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Even as much as an additional hour is too much. They dont have the talentfor 4 hours a week. Theyre already overexposed. And thats well before we touch on the creative well being far too dry. They will drown under their own weight.
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Bingo.

If you focus on the same talent, it’s going to get old with people fast. If you try to focus on different guys…well, it’s not really focus then is it? It’s a problem either way.
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The only feasible way you could make it work is randomly disperse your tops acts. You dont know which show theyll be on, barred advertised segments, but only use them on one a week. Keep it sporadic in an effort to foster an "anything can happen on any show" feel.

And even that has a high chance of failure because youll suck the life out of the shows. You wont be able to make 2 hours on compelling tv stretched that thin. Youll be sitting on one decent segment a night AT BEST and the crowd will be so bored they wont even respond to the segment youre trying to get over.

Touring might help the live audience issue a bit. Maybe. People just happy theyre in town at all is worth some excitement. There's currency to that for a year or two.

And the flip side is if WBD says hey will pick your 2 shows up but youve gotta take this 3rd slot too...well they cant exactly say no. To my knowledge WBD isnt funding production, at least not entirely, so its cheap content for them that delivers a better return due largely to that low cost against something like a syndicated rerun that might draw more viewers but at a higher cost.

Its a good deal for the network. AEW has to make their money through the gate, ppv buys, merch etc. Overexposure hurts all of these revenue streams. I truly dont see them surviving this much air time.

Theyd be well suited for 1 2hr hour weekly show. Maybe a 5th show on ppv months as a special go home. And focus on touring house shows. House show dont bring the exposure issue. Keeps your product hotter in a lot of ways.
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He was out injured wasn’t he? Tony seems to do the deal of adding time on for injuries.
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Old 03-13-2023, 03:41 AM   #13330
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Old 03-13-2023, 11:14 AM   #13331
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I think ease of access has fostered an unnecessary sense of completionism. "Oh you missed it live? No worries, you can watch at any time with the click of a button, I'm sure you'll find time for it".

So when this announcement of a 4th hour came out, you can see people on their Reddit page groaning about "needing" to find time to watch a 4th hour.

And it's like...umm, you don't have to! I think in AEW's case there's the added deal with it being a company that a bunch of their fans have followed from day one, and during the pandemic it felt sorta "unifying" to have a nice 2 hour diversion from the world every week. But it was always inevitable the company would get more TV if Turner was happy with them, and there's no need to force yourself to watch those extra shows if they aren't of interest.
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Old 03-13-2023, 11:16 AM   #13332
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Wrestling is far from the only form of entertainment where completionism starts to hamper peoples' enjoyment either. Tons of people go from enjoying a game to hating it because they feel like they need to 100% every goal and objective. It's fun to go on the grind sometimes, but not if it makes you start to hate the game.

Music too. I remember years ago Iron Maiden released a live album and then, a few months later, a DVD of the same live album and some of the diehards complained about having to pay multiple times for the same music and they basically put out a statement saying "guys, you don't have to own every single thing we put out"
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Old 03-13-2023, 02:08 PM   #13333
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i've already been tuned out of rampage for months. my issue is not completionism. it's that they can barely put out a solid 2 hours for their main show every week, let alone put out anywhere near 4 hours of solid content a week. and i don't see adding the need for TK to create another hour of TV a week making him improve what has consistently become questionable-at-best booking.
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Old 03-13-2023, 02:11 PM   #13334
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honestly i want to feel like i need to find the time to watch any wrestling that's killing it. there's just not a lot of that going around for me right now.
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I think with AEW it’s more a case of the hardcore faithfuls willing it along. It has to be seen as a success so they feel obliged to watch. It’s not like any of it (inclusive of AEW and WWE) is appointment television.
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i've already been tuned out of rampage for months.
Same. I gave up on Rampage probably 4 or 5 months in when they stopped trying to make it seem important. I have it on DVR and will check out certain matches if something piques my interest or I hear good things but have zero interest in watching a 3rd hour when they don't attempt to make it feel important.

It's an afterthought, and this 3rd show will be even moreso.

AEW can't exactly tell Turner no when they're offering them a bag full of money. But I see zero reason to expect this show to be required viewing.
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I think with AEW it’s more a case of the hardcore faithfuls willing it along. It has to be seen as a success so they feel obliged to watch. It’s not like any of it (inclusive of AEW and WWE) is appointment television.
I think a lot of the people who watched AEW from day 1 were loving the shit out of Dynamite for the first 5 months and the red hot crowds every week in every town seemed to back that up.

Then COVID happened and I think, for better or worse, the people who were loving the early days of AEW felt a sense of "community" or whatever in wanting to support the show during the pandemic. Both to support the company and because it was nice to have a 2-hour diversion from all the crazy shit happening in the world.

And then they finally got back on the road and it felt like early 2020 again with hot crowds everywhere.

But the "honeymoon" phase was always gonna end eventually and we're well more than a year removed from that point.

I still generally enjoy Dynamite most weeks even if it's not as hot but have no appetite for anything beyond that. Can't really imagine forcing yourself to sit down and watch Rampage every week because OMG I'll be a filthy casual who doesn't support them enough if I don't watch it all.
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because OMG I'll be a filthy casual who doesn't support them enough if I don't watch it all.
yeah tribalism in wrestling (and lots of other places) is far more detrimental to the cause than casual fans sticking to what works for them or not. i was hot on aew from day one (a lot of that had to do with being able to attend so many live events), and i still enjoy enough to tune in to dynamite most weeks. but i'm not gonna sit through shit i don't enjoy just because it's aew or any company. for me, the combination peak and jumping the shark for aew was all out 2021. amazing to be at live, but it became clear very quickly TK had no fucking clue to do with the roster he had put together.
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and of course it's all relative because i still love watching most gcw shows, but it's because they are usually absolute nonsense shit shows and are insane amounts of fun live. i "hold them to a different standard" so to speak, but would never actually recommend it to anyone here outside of the occasional match.
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Old 03-16-2023, 11:06 PM   #13347
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Tiny is such a money mark that he cannot even stick to his own business decisions lol.

That said, Grayson should have never not been renewed in the first place.
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Old 03-17-2023, 08:48 AM   #13348
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Grayson left of his own accord last year. He's confirmed in interviews that AEW had offered him an extension but they couldn't come to terms. He admitted that while he liked working there, it was getting frustrating leaving Canada and flying into the US every week just to be booked on Dark again so it was time to test the waters.

So either they've pledged to book him more or are paying him enough for he no longer cares. Plus it was May when he left, it's 10 months later and he didn't sign anywhere else so maybe he decided to just tap out and take what he could get.
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Old 03-17-2023, 10:21 AM   #13349
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Is Dark Order still a thing and did he just go right back to that?

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Old 03-17-2023, 12:54 PM   #13350
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I don’t know the gimmick. Is he actually trying to look menacing here or is he intentionally smiling like a 6 year old pretending to be mad?
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He's honestly a very talented in ring worker. He's just wasted in the dark order.
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Old 03-17-2023, 04:21 PM   #13352
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Holy shit Omega vs. Vikingo announced for Dynamite
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Old 03-17-2023, 04:25 PM   #13353
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He's honestly a very talented in ring worker. He's just wasted in the dark order.
Pretty much this.

I love the Dark Order crew as talents. Uno/Grayson are one of my favorite indy teams of all time and Reynolds/Silver are great as plucky underdogs.

But the stable itself won't ever be more than it is. The fact they just got a little mini-angle with the BCC might be the most relevant thing they do all year.

Actually the groups splitting up with Uno/Grayson going heel and feuding with Reynolds/Silver you could get me into it even if it's mostly just a little Rampage angle. Would be fun. Then maybe ship one of the teams to ROH or something.
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Holy shit Omega vs. Vikingo announced for Dynamite
I have seen very little of Vikingo but this is gonna be a hot match.

Feels very much like the Dark Order will be left out of the Elite vs. BCC feud thats coming. Beyond this surely you downsize them a bit more and fire up a reunion from time to time as a nostalgia thing.

Uno and Grasyson stay as a tag team called the Dark order and Let Silver and Reynolds get repackaged?
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