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Old 06-27-2005, 11:42 PM   #281
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And even if the Yankees were offering Wang, the last thing Oakland needs is starting pitching.

Rich Harden
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With the exception of Glynn, all of these guys have much more potential than Wang. They're set through 08.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:43 PM   #282
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why do you hate on the Yankees so much. I mean you're team is terrible and hasn't won anything ever. I don't get it.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:45 PM   #283
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I guess it's just easy to talk shit about the Yankees. Cause god knows everyone else does.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:45 PM   #284
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Where did I say the Yankees sucked, all I said was they have nothing to offer. But on the subject, my team sucks but all we have is a skinny Chinaman and .230 home run hitters. You have an all-star team and still are in 4th place.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:47 PM   #285
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You never said they sucked, but every thread that mentions the Yankees, you make some sarcastic comment about them. I mean, that's fine and all, but it's pretty dumb when your favorite team is doing just as bad.
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It's not like I pull a BCWWF and pretend the Mariners are good. I know they are awful, i give them much more shit than I do the Yankees. I'd say its safe to say a 220 million dollar all-star team should be better than .500. Both the Mariners and Yankees are underachieving but the Yankees have much more considering their pieces.
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:31 AM   #288
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Jun 26 Kotsay is believed to be seeking a two-year extension at the same $7 million per season to remian with the A's, the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
Recommendation: That's a contract the A's would figure to be interested in. No official numbers have been discussed as yet however


Also, our outfield isn't too terrible. Brynes and Swisher is there too. Have you seen what Swisher can do (when he can do it). The problem is they are both in some slumps or are either injured at the same time.

We sure as hell don't need a 2nd baseman. We have Scuturo, Ellis, and Ginter.

I think the A's have a highly underrated defense. The offense is another story.
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That's surprising because I heard he wanted more money on his extention but I think he's currently making around 7 mil.

Anyway, even though their outfield isn't horrible, it could be much better and it has no depth. Byrnes makes web gems every time he's out there but that doesn't make his defense not horrible. Weak arm, dives for balls he has no shot at, misses cutoffs, not sound fundamentally. The polar opposite of Mark Kotsay. There is like a 99% chance he will be gone next year anyway with Barton, Cust and (maybe) Ethier big-league ready next year.

Yeah you have 3 second baseman but they're all expendable. Ellis is just an okay hitter, Scutaro is just an okay fielder, and Ginter is the worst player in the history of mjaor league baseball. Not really, but he won't be on the team for long. Beane would not hesitate to unload Ellis for a reliever, considering you'd still have Scutaro and Quintanilla coming up soon.

The A's defense is excellent, and I think they will be a much stronger offensive team next year. I like them to win the West next year if Kotsay stays. If Kotsay goes they could be in last.
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Yeah you have 3 second baseman but they're all expendable. Ellis is just an okay hitter, Scutaro is just an okay fielder, and Ginter is the worst player in the history of mjaor league baseball. Not really, but he won't be on the team for long. Beane would not hesitate to unload Ellis for a reliever, considering you'd still have Scutaro and Quintanilla coming up soon.
Yeah, wtf with Ginter. On my MVP 05 Owner mode he's doing decent. I wish video games were real life.

Isn't Cust an infielder?

And I have Quintanilla's autograph. I'm surprised you've even heard of him. He was a non-roster player in the spring. Either you keep up to date, or you just went to some depth chart website. Either way, I don't mind.
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And even if the Yankees were offering Wang, the last thing Oakland needs is starting pitching.

Rich Harden
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With the exception of Glynn, all of these guys have much more potential than Wang. They're set through 08.
Everyone always needs more pitching. A's have always gone deep in that catergory.
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Cust is a 1B/OF but they are loaded at 1B so he will probably spend more time in OF. I see him DHing most of the time though.

Nah I keep up to date with Mariners and A's. I know alot more about Mariners stuff but A's are second fave team so yeah. Check out these sites if you dont already

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Everyone always needs more pitching. A's have always gone deep in that catergory.
Why Wang? It's not like he's Mark Prior or some amazing pitching prospect. Every starter on the A's staff is better than Wang and they have at least 2 AAA guys that are better. Not only better, but younger. Wang is like 26. Not that that's old, but A's have much better pitchers that are 24 and younger. Wang is MLB-ready now and there's no place in the rotation for him. Oakland have 8 people to fill 5 spots in 2006, there is no need for a 9th who has no shot anyway. Wang and 2 hitting prospects is still not worth Kotsay.
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Red Sox actually have a real good prospect whos open to be dealt, Schopick, Triple A catcher. He will probably be good enough for the majors real soon but there is no place on the roster for him. So I would have no problem with him getting dealt - especially if they can somehow get Schedmit with him. I don't see that happening though. I would pretty pissed if they traded Hanley Ramirez - I have been hearing about this guy for a while. He is the Red Sox top prospect right now with Youkilis on the MLB roster fulltime. I've been hearing that Hanley has been playing some outfield - that might become important with Damon being a free agent after this season, also it makes sense because Hanleys 1st position (SS) is locked up for atleast the next 4 years with Renteria. I would hate to see Damon go but it will be tough to keep him due to Boras being his agent plus the fact that Damon has said he wants to return only if the group of the guys they got now stay together. Damon wants guys like Bellhorn and Millar around but who knows if thats going to happen with the way they have been performing.

I know that was pretty random but all this talk about prospects woooop
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You brought up Wang, I was using him as your example. You've taken me too literal.
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Wang and Hughes are the only pitchers the Yankees can offer. Not enough for Kotsay.
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Red Sox actually have a real good prospect whos open to be dealt, Schopick, Triple A catcher. He will probably be good enough for the majors real soon but there is no place on the roster for him. So I would have no problem with him getting dealt - especially if they can somehow get Schedmit with him. I don't see that happening though. I would pretty pissed if they traded Hanley Ramirez - I have been hearing about this guy for a while. He is the Red Sox top prospect right now with Youkilis on the MLB roster fulltime. I've been hearing that Hanley has been playing some outfield - that might become important with Damon being a free agent after this season, also it makes sense because Hanleys 1st position (SS) is locked up for atleast the next 4 years with Renteria. I would hate to see Damon go but it will be tough to keep him due to Boras being his agent plus the fact that Damon has said he wants to return only if the group of the guys they got now stay together. Damon wants guys like Bellhorn and Millar around but who knows if thats going to happen with the way they have been performing.

I know that was pretty random but all this talk about prospects woooop
I heard like a week ago that the Red Sox were interested in Kotsay because they were anticipating Damon leaving. That would work better for Oakland because Boston actually has something to offer to them. I doubt it though, Red Sox seem to be "interested" in every player the Yankees are interested in.
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Yeah after the season I could see something like that going down. I am just hoping they don't trade H. Ramirez - I got a feeling he's gonna be sick.

Red Sox also have OF Jay Payton on the trading block since he wants to be an everyday player. Heard on the radio nobody is really that intrested in him though.
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I think Miz is more of an Oakland fan then I thought.

Anyway, Miz, I was watching Sports Center the other night and they were going over the possible players to be traded in the baseball deadline, and I remember they got to Winn. The Mariners rejected a trade for Winn, and I remember being really shocked. Do you know who I might be talking about? I want to say that it might be Wang or something. Anyway, he should be the most expendable player on the block. Well not really, but if the M's get an offer for him thats legit, theres really not much reason to reject is there?
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I heard like a week ago that the Red Sox were interested in Kotsay because they were anticipating Damon leaving. That would work better for Oakland because Boston actually has something to offer to them. I doubt it though, Red Sox seem to be "interested" in every player the Yankees are interested in.
Damon is one of those guys that I would be shocked to see leave the Red Sox. Really, what reason would he have to go anywhere else?

Also, I read on Insider that Manny Ramirez is planning to retire after his contract runs out in 2008, but they are still looking to dump him now any way they can. Whats the deal behind that?
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You sure that Insider article about Manny wasn't from 2 years ago? haha

I haven't heard one thing about Manny "getting dumped" why would they? He is fucking unreal and his attitude has improved a lot from when they were going to dump him before.
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Yeah Winn is expendable. Jeremy Reed is the fucking man in center and we can move Raul Ibanez from DH to left. We need pitching desperately, we still have bums like Gil Meche in our rotation. Gross.
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Saw this rumor in the paper

Yankees get:
Mike Cameron
Miguel Cairo

Mets get:
Gary Sheffield

Prolly not gonna happen cause they won't trade Sheff but I actually like this deal for the Yanks and the Mets are trying to break the record for having the most MVP-caliber players and still being shitty so this would work for them.
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Saw this rumor in the paper

Yankees get:
Mike Cameron
Miguel Cairo

Mets get:
Gary Sheffield

Prolly not gonna happen cause they won't trade Sheff but I actually like this deal for the Yanks and the Mets are trying to break the record for having the most MVP-caliber players and still being shitty so this would work for them.
Ordinarily I would say "fuck that, Mets need to get younger"....but I think Sheffield is far too good to pass up.

Won't happen though, as Sheffield has reportedly said he won't go anywhere.
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Sheff got pretty pissed over this.
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fuck that trade. I dunno why we need a center feilder. They're doing fine. It's the pitching that's terrible right now.
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Yankees aren't fine at CF, LC.
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are they doing that bad? I can't watch most of the games cause I'm in North Carolina, but what I'm seeing is 8-6, 10-5, 7-5 ball games all the time. It's like the Yakees have to score seven runs a game all the time to win. Johnson and Brown are hurt. Pavano and Mussina are streaky and we have no 5th starter really. Middle relief is shakey. Pitching is terrible.
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Bernie is old and washed up and is incapable of playing everyday. It'd be one thing if he was at least playing defense but he is just as bad in the field as he is at the plate. Womack is not an outfielder or a bottom of the lineup guy which is why he is struggling so bad. Matsui is an okay LF but lacks the range and arm to be a CF.

Pitching is part of the problem, yes, but the defense is awful. Giambi and Williams are jokes and Cano, Posada, and Matsui aren't exactly gold glovers.
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point I'm trying to make is getting a decent center feilder really ain't going to help us that much right now. If we could get Kotsay, yea that would be great. But Kotsay can't prevent the other team from scoring runs all the time.
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I think you underestimate Kotsay. He is the most fundamentally sound outfielder in baseball, he might not make he Andruw Jones web gems but he is the most reliable defender is baseball. He gets better jumps on balls than anyone else and has a fucking cannon arm. He is not among the league leaders in assists because nobody even thinks about running on him. And at this stage in his career he's a much better hitter than Bernie. Obviously he can't help the pitching but if he comes to the Yankees and has a hot first few weeks the team will start to play better as a whole and gel. Look what happened to the Red Sox last year, they had alot of great players but they weren't playing well in June and were losing ground on the Yankees. They make a huge deal to bring in a great defensive player and a good hitter and look how it worked out for them.
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I'm not underestimating Kotsay at all. I love Kotsay and I know how awesome he is. Great defender and hitter. But we got 5 starting pitchers, none who are doing a fantastic job right now. The Sox at least had Schilling and Pedro out there, who had people thinking automatic win the day they threw. With the Yankee pitching staff, it's like, so who's gonna show up today. The guy who is capale of pitching a complete game or the guy who gives up 6 runs within the first 3 innings. Having pitching like that can kill the morale of teams.

Kotsay is only one position and has no control over balls going over walls or balls getting hit down left, down right, up the middle. They're sill hits no matter what. Yea, he's way better then Bernie and can probably chase down a few balls and throw a few more people out, but I just don't see him solving all the problems. I really think it starts with pitching. When you have guys putting 0's up through 7 or giving up 1 or 2 runs, then the team feels more comfortable.

Just my opinion, but we'll see what they do.
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I agree completely that they need pitching, but I think more pitching alone won't help them make the playoffs. Pitching + defense is key.
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And why not trade Sheffield? It's not like they aren't gonna score any runs without him in the lineup. They're gonna score 6-8 every night regardless, so why not trade him for some pitching? I'm sure a team like the Cubs or Orioles or soembody who's trrying to stay in the race would love to have him and be willing to sacrifice starting pitching.
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yea, pitching + defense does win ball games. Unfortunately he Yankees need both and I don't think they can trade for both.

I would trade Sheff in a second for a good pitcher. It was the Cameron deal that I wouldn't go for at all.
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Yeah, the Sheffield deal wouldn't really solve any problems because they would be getting a good center fielder and then they are out a right fielder. I'm sure they would have Womack move again to right or something but it wouldn't really make much sense. I know they have Sierra too but I can't see him being played every day.
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