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Old 11-29-2022, 10:24 PM   #67281
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I will not comment on Tony Khan's efed days, because it clearly sucked (audience of 3? GTFO!)

What I will state is that Brian Last is absolutely correct: the G.I. Joes were the best figures for wrestling. Even better than actual wrestling figures from that time.
I'll still always pick my immovable LJN's. You just had to be creative.
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Old 11-29-2022, 11:40 PM   #67282
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Old 11-30-2022, 08:12 AM   #67284
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Hulk Hogan in Japan was just different!!! pic.twitter.com/LiKg2t6OSt
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What was Japan Hogan's deal anyway? Was he too old and body broken to keep that style going, or was it just not what put asses in seats back then? Watching that clip is some of the more impressive in-ring shit i've seen from him.... ever.
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Old 11-30-2022, 08:26 AM   #67285
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What was Japan Hogan's deal anyway? Was he too old and body broken to keep that style going, or was it just not what put asses in seats back then? Watching that clip is some of the more impressive in-ring shit i've seen from him.... ever.
Yeah like what the fuck. Some of the shit I saw in that video I'd tell someone they were out of their fucking mind if they told me Hogan either

A) Sold like that

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Old 11-30-2022, 09:15 AM   #67286
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I mean Hogan was trained by Hiro Matsuda. He was always capable of working like that.

But he didn't have to.
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Old 11-30-2022, 09:42 AM   #67287
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Eh, that doesn't really add anything though.


"He didn't have to". Meh.
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Old 11-30-2022, 10:03 AM   #67288
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Different promotions have different presentations. Working is about getting the audience to respond to you. And fans of different promotions might get engaged by different things.
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Old 11-30-2022, 10:26 AM   #67289
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Eh, that doesn't really add anything though.


"He didn't have to". Meh.
Not sure what you wanted me to say though. He became the biggest star in the industry on promos, mannerisms, Hulking up, punches, bodyslam, leg drop. He didn't have to have a physically demanding in-ring style to succeed for the bombastic audiences the WWF had in the '80s. Being a larger than life character was more important than being a skilled in-ring technician.

Matsuda would've never recommended him to WWF in the first place if he couldn't work a lick. In an alternate universe where Vince or US promotions "didn't see anything" in Hogan or whatever, dude has a next level legendary gaijin run in Japan.
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Old 11-30-2022, 10:39 AM   #67290
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Vito's right. WWF fans just wanted to see Hogan do his poses, sell for a monster heel, Hulk up and drop the leg. He was the company's cash cow. No need to risk Hogan getting hurt doing something unnecessary.

Hogan was actually having really fun brawls up until Wrestlemania 3. Then you got formulaic Hogan.
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Old 11-30-2022, 10:43 AM   #67291
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Old 11-30-2022, 12:38 PM   #67292
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Most wrestling fans are not there for the wrestling. They are there for the soap opera. Big stars involved in compelling stories. Charisma and star power are way more important than in ring product.

It doesn’t matter how fast and technical the wrestling gets in AEW, they will always have about 800k fans who love that shit. While the majority, who want the stars and coherent stories, will stay away.

Hogan knew how to work a crowd, no one wanted to see him put Earthquake in an arm drag toe hold. There is no money in the US in that kind of wrestling.

Even someone like Kurt Angle. He was so over and such a star because of his personality and character work. Being such a good wrestler was only a small part of his overall package.

Austin and Rock were as punch kicky as possible at their very peak, no one cared, and most don’t even remember the Benoit/Angle clinic on the same card at Mania 17. Big story and stars win out every single time.
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Old 11-30-2022, 12:43 PM   #67293
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Even Hart and HBK. They were popular less so because they were such good wrestlers and more because they were both excellent story tellers. Both were so capable of investing you in their matches and making you care. They lacked the star power, but they had the story and the emotion.

It’s the same logic that tells you why Sami Zayn is the most talked about guy in wrestling right now and that fan interest peaked in AEW when they smelled a genuine story with emotion and heat brewing.

Only the same 700-800k care about Elite vs Death Truangle for the 10th time.
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Old 11-30-2022, 01:45 PM   #67294
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Old 11-30-2022, 02:42 PM   #67296
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:53 PM   #67297
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Old 11-30-2022, 04:45 PM   #67298
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Old 11-30-2022, 05:28 PM   #67299
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I’m not sure this is how it works. Shouldn’t he have gone in an paid for all the Snickers he stole, rather than paid for all the ones he’s now buying. Business is still down the stock he stole. Heel Rock is back.
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Most wrestling fans are not there for the wrestling. They are there for the soap opera. Big stars involved in compelling stories. Charisma and star power are way more important than in ring product.

It doesn’t matter how fast and technical the wrestling gets in AEW, they will always have about 800k fans who love that shit. While the majority, who want the stars and coherent stories, will stay away.

Hogan knew how to work a crowd, no one wanted to see him put Earthquake in an arm drag toe hold. There is no money in the US in that kind of wrestling.

Even someone like Kurt Angle. He was so over and such a star because of his personality and character work. Being such a good wrestler was only a small part of his overall package.

Austin and Rock were as punch kicky as possible at their very peak, no one cared, and most don’t even remember the Benoit/Angle clinic on the same card at Mania 17. Big story and stars win out every single time.
This. A 1000 times this.

I like a good in-ring technician but it’s the drama that I watch for. For me there’s too many good matches nowadays if anything.
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Old 11-30-2022, 06:24 PM   #67301
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Wrestling is at its most popular when the in ring product is at its worst.
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Old 11-30-2022, 08:06 PM   #67302
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Old 12-01-2022, 11:40 PM   #67303
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Old 12-01-2022, 11:49 PM   #67304
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Seems like quite the character journey for him in TNA.... comedy character who was scared of his own pyro turns into violence worshipping cult leader who gets stabbed to death.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:34 AM   #67307
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Sigh, and just when I was about to give Impact a chance again.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:36 AM   #67308
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Is the joke that nobody watches Impact so you can literally get away with murder?
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:16 AM   #67309
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Also laughing that the cameraman will stand by and film a murder, editors will edit it together with some slick music and effects, and producers will air it.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:54 AM   #67310
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Wrestling is not real.


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Old 12-02-2022, 09:57 AM   #67311
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But there is the element of "reality" to it.... so while I wouldn't question the camera people of Game of Thrones, I would question the camera people of rassling.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:15 AM   #67312
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:31 AM   #67313
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:45 AM   #67314
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Never set well that Koko B. Ware was always the internets poster boy for "undeserving Hall of Famer". Those shitfucks didn't deserve Koko B. Ware.

Thankfully there are far "less deserving" people in now and people have finally figured out it's just a gold watch.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:50 AM   #67315
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:51 AM   #67316
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Never set well that Koko B. Ware was always the internets poster boy for "undeserving Hall of Famer". Those shitfucks didn't deserve Koko B. Ware.

Thankfully there are far "less deserving" people in now and people have finally figured out it's just a gold watch.
And there were far worse inductions than Koko even back when Koko was inducted.

Johnny Rodz is in there. That's like Funaki being in for modern comparison sake.
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Old 12-02-2022, 01:59 PM   #67317
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I know nothing about Johnny Rodz' career, but I met him in 2010 and he was so wonderful.
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Old 12-02-2022, 02:28 PM   #67318
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I love Johnny Rodz. He was great, but he was an opening match guy/jobber to the stars.
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