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Old 04-23-2019, 04:27 PM   #41
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There are articles dating back to the late 1800's man.

I doubt there's an era of wrestling that doesn't have plenty of evidence supporting the notion it was entirely worked.
That Turkish invasion thing was funny when I read about it last year.

I was delighted when I found out all of that stuff was just as fake as Hulk Hogan. It proves that history is better off reimagined than revisited.
Yup, a buddy of mine posted a couple from the 1800s a while back
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:18 PM   #42
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Old 04-24-2019, 09:27 AM   #43
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Old 04-25-2019, 02:39 AM   #45
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The Saudi deal is a ticking time-bomb for WWE. It could seriously be one of the dumbest fucking decisions the company has ever made. Short-term gain for potentially ostracizing future generations of fans and blackballing themselves from sponsors and maybe even TV networks should there be one really fast or really slow news day, and WWE becomes a prominent target for the media.
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:02 AM   #46
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Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:45 PM   #47
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He can call it whatever he wants. Call it Not Wrestling. It's not wrestling is it. It wasn't wrestling in the 90's when he finally admitted it was fixed, it wasn't wrestling in the 50's,60's,70's and 80's when everybody knew but nobody was talking in public and it wasn't wrestling in the Lewis, Gotch, Burns days either when they first realised that a staged fight could be a bigger attraction than a carnival and could be done over and over again ad infinitum as long as nobody was really trying to kill the other guy because the next town over would want to see it too.

Wrestling is often terribly boring. That's why one David Shultz is a star to this day and the other one only got famous for being shot dead by a crazy millionaire and being played by Mark Ruffalo in the movie. A movie he isn't even the focus of.

So that's what wrestling gets ya. Shot in the driveway by Steve Carell.
I fully expect to wake up one day and find that he's changed the name from World Wrestling Entertainment to just World entertainment so when they call themselves The W E I can derisively start mocking them as women's entertainment Network
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Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't
they have the benefit of being bottom of the barrel. Nothing they do can really hurt them beyond another wrestler murdering their family.
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I fully expect to wake up one day and find that he's changed the name from World Wrestling Entertainment to just World entertainment so when they call themselves The W E I can derisively start mocking them as women's entertainment Network

Vince is preparing a bid for E! as we speak.
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The Saudi deal is a ticking time-bomb for WWE. It could seriously be one of the dumbest fucking decisions the company has ever made. Short-term gain for potentially ostracizing future generations of fans and blackballing themselves from sponsors and maybe even TV networks should there be one really fast or really slow news day, and WWE becomes a prominent target for the media.
Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.
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Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:13 PM   #52
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Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't
Not right now, but if it becomes hot-button that could change and the history is forever tied to them. They slip under the radar right now because they're not mainstream, but when they have a lead-in of 6 million people in October or they go over while there is some sort of crisis, as is prone to happen, then suddenly it could become a story. And that's when that stock price will take a drop.

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Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.
They lost $5 million last time. Obviously not a net loss, but it's demonstrably not true that "literally nobody cares."
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People will care for a day like the John Oliver piece and move on because some other persin/company will do something worse and so on and so on
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Going to make it hard to make new fans and younger fans though. You can get away with shit until you don't. If it becomes a story and WWE becomes "toxic," there's no guarantee that it won't be easier for business partners to just drop them. Then you'll see that stock price effected.

When it does start to affect the stock, it's probably too late to do anything to rectify it, because the investors are only going to panic about $40 million shows or whatever when the stink from dirty whore work won't wash out.
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Surprised nobody has mentioned deciding to go on with Over the Edge 1999 after Owen was killed in that horrific accident.

I think the Brawl For All belongs in this thread too.
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* Greasing the wheels of justice for Jimmy Snuka (allegedly)

* Rita Chatterton (allegedly)

* The tanning salon (allegedly)

* Airing the Chris Benoit tribute show

* The way he treats JR

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Speaking of deaths, he probably could've waited a few years and not had Eddie go in with the 2006 class, especially considering his family didn't want it at the time.

I also feel a by-product of Eddie's death was Rey getting shoehorned into the world title match @ WM 22, which was originally supposed to be between Angle and Orton. I still wonder from time to time what could've been. I ideally would've loved seeing Orton win the title. Really seemed like it should've been the time to put him back on the pedestal he had been prematurely elevated to a year and a half before at SummerSlam 2004.
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Rey's push itself was fine. I was hearing someone talk about it recently, and they actually suggested him getting the belt in 2004 when Eddie cracked under the pressure. I've also heard Booker T suggested for the spot.

I would have preferred a straight forward Angle vs. Rey match without any of the Eddie nonsense around it. Their SummerSlam '02 match is one of my favorite short matches and openers ever.
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* Greasing the wheels of justice for Jimmy Snuka (allegedly)

* Rita Chatterton (allegedly)

* The tanning salon (allegedly)

* Airing the Chris Benoit tribute show

* The way he treats JR

* Melanie Pillman interview

* The exploitation of real life deaths on WWE TV
Oh Yeah, the Melanie Pillman interview... There's a special place in hell for Vince for that alone...
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Rey's push itself was fine. I was hearing someone talk about it recently, and they actually suggested him getting the belt in 2004 when Eddie cracked under the pressure. I've also heard Booker T suggested for the spot.

I would have preferred a straight forward Angle vs. Rey match without any of the Eddie nonsense around it. Their SummerSlam '02 match is one of my favorite short matches and openers ever.
Well, King Booker did take it from him within 4 months at The Great American Bash. He had a pretty entertaining run, too.
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Well, King Booker did take it from him within 4 months at The Great American Bash. He had a pretty entertaining run, too.
I meant Booker taking it from Eddie in 2004.
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Going to make it hard to make new fans and younger fans though. You can get away with shit until you don't. If it becomes a story and WWE becomes "toxic," there's no guarantee that it won't be easier for business partners to just drop them. Then you'll see that stock price effected.

When it does start to affect the stock, it's probably too late to do anything to rectify it, because the investors are only going to panic about $40 million shows or whatever when the stink from dirty whore work won't wash out.
They're trying to get new fans in the middle east by going there. So what's going to make it hard to make new fans by going to these non-traditional markets?
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:53 AM   #63
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I don't think airing the Benoit tribute show should be on that list of WWE's transgressions. They found out about his death only a few hours by showtime and when it went on the air very few of the details were known.

Based on a few shoots I've heard, the wrestlers were all sent home and most of them were watching the Benoit show from their hotels - and it wasn't until midway through the show that speculation of it being a murder-suicide was starting.

I suppose WWE could've abruptly cut the episode halfway through and pivoted to random classic non-Benoit matches, but the details were still so murky by then I can understand why they didn't. They made up for it the next day by opening ECW with Vince basically saying fuck Chris Benoit and that was that.
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The way Bart Gunn was punished after the Brawl For All stands out as a particularly nasty, pointless and destructive piece of booking in WWE history. Presumably Vince had to be involved.
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I don't think airing the Benoit tribute show should be on that list of WWE's transgressions. They found out about his death only a few hours by showtime and when it went on the air very few of the details were known.

Based on a few shoots I've heard, the wrestlers were all sent home and most of them were watching the Benoit show from their hotels - and it wasn't until midway through the show that speculation of it being a murder-suicide was starting.

I suppose WWE could've abruptly cut the episode halfway through and pivoted to random classic non-Benoit matches, but the details were still so murky by then I can understand why they didn't. They made up for it the next day by opening ECW with Vince basically saying fuck Chris Benoit and that was that.
They knew. They just wanted to have their cake and act surprised when it came out it was made with feces and bad eggs.
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Carl De Marco knew hours before show-time and let them know. It's possible they were all just in this collective state of denial, but it's more likely that they didn't want to admit guilt until it became an actual news story, because that would have bounced back on them knowing that wrestling makes people crazy and/or that their Wellness policy wasn't up to scratch.

They also made up the Fragile X. WWE were awful around this whole thing. Yeah, it's a mess, but is it so hard for Vince to come out and say "Look, we're learning new stuff about this all the time. Benoit was a professional, but some of the news we've heard has challenged and disturbed us. We will not celebrate until we know for sure that we can have a clean conscience. We plan to do what we do best -- entertain -- so here is some first-run footage we have cataloged. Thank you to our wonderful fans for their patience."

You can take a step back while making it look unexpected without putting your fingers in your ears and hoping you don't get shit on you. And trying to blame the fictional condition of a little boy for the stresses that drove the man to do this, as opposed to the concussed cocktail he was.
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I remember Nash being one person who didn't think WWE should've done the Benoit tribute. As for the Saudi Arabia deal, I think there was one or two known politicians speaking on it b/c there were a few ppl on my Twitter TL who responded how WWE was getting flack for the same thing other businesses were doing.
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Noid doesn't understand that posting then immediately quoting that post is spectacularly first-female-offspring behaviour.

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I remember Nash being one person who didn't think WWE should've done the Benoit tribute. As for the Saudi Arabia deal, I think there was one or two known politicians speaking on it b/c there were a few ppl on my Twitter TL who responded how WWE was getting flack for the same thing other businesses were doing.
Regal knew from his interview that they recorded earlier during the day too.
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Hey, I'm not the one having a sook. I hope you have the appropriate support networks in place to get you through this difficult time.
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he only said that because you are a fucking nimrod, Noid.
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