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**Ultra Mantis** · 01-02-2019, 10:01 AM

Persona 5 R has been confirmed for PS4, speculated to be an enhanced version similar to P3 FES and P4 Golden. I am still playing NG+ and I am 100% willing to buy that. They got me.

Could that mean a new palace? Post game extension? More personas (where is my brain with an eye!?)? Shiho social link? Phantom thief Hifumi? Rank 11 and tier 3 personas for the Phantom Thieves? If I can change Hecate back into Carmen that would be great.

**OssMan** · 01-05-2019, 10:34 AM

I'll probably get it

I just beat Persona 4 & doing the "true ending" now.. it's a great game but holy shit there are some really annoying things about it that they thankfully fixed in 5

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-05-2019, 10:54 AM

Did you play P4 vanilla or Golden?

I'm up to palace 6 in NG+ and I only have a handful of confidants left to max, Sojiro plus a few I ignored last time through. Hopefully in P5R they can fix Ohya so she's not completely useless, and if they could erase Shinya from existence that would be cool.

**OssMan** · 01-06-2019, 02:02 AM

Vanilla.. I don't really like to play remakes

I do have Persona 3 "FES" though so I guess I'm gonna play that.. did they change a lot

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-06-2019, 04:33 PM

Persona 3 can be pretty jarring, the biggest two things are that you only control the MC in battle (yes that is as bad as it sounds) the story progression is stilted and takes forever to actually get going. Oh, and the entire combat side of the game is basically Mementos, storyline missions are mostly just a boss, so it's really grindy. It's still a Persona game at it's core though and some of the social links are really good, story really picks up late game. Then there's Junpei�

P4 Golden brought the fusion system up to speed with P5, so you choose which skills you want to inherit etc. and also added a bunch of other quality of life stuff. Adachi S-Link. New character with S-Link and a bonus dungeon. Extra six weeks playable of the in-game calender. You can also go outside at night to hang out with daytime Social Links (boosts affinity so you don't have to waste days with them). Extra events and voice acting for some of the text only scenes too.

**OssMan** · 01-06-2019, 07:03 PM

Adachi S-Link.. da hell.. wouldn't that.. wtf

I don't like all those changes.. although dumbass Rise wouldn't hang out with me for the last 3 weeks of the game so i never got to max her out so more time would have been cool

Did they make similar changes to Persona 3 FES vs regular Persona 3

**OssMan** · 01-06-2019, 07:09 PM

Honestly I started a new game plus in 5 and I can't be fucked with all the cutscenes. I watched the first set of them because I didn't remember a lot of the game from Kamoshida and before, but after that, nope. Can't stomach watching them eat at a hotel buffet for 15 minutes. And if they made a remake I'd feel bad skipping through any of it

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-06-2019, 07:14 PM

FES is basically vanilla but it has an optional "epilogue", which is standalone from the main game and is pretty much a 100 floor grindfest.

The actual "enhanced" version of P3 is P3Portable on the PSP, which I believe gives you full control over your party but takes away the free roam and instead just gives you a list of locations to click on. Also I think some of the non vital story events were removed.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-06-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OssMan

Honestly I started a new game plus in 5 and I can't be fucked with all the cutscenes. I watched the first set of them because I didn't remember a lot of the game from Kamoshida and before, but after that, nope. Can't stomach watching them eat at a hotel buffet for 15 minutes. And if they made a remake I'd feel bad skipping through any of it

Haha, I finished my first playthrough a year ago so I don't mind sitting through it all again. Will probably be a long time before the P5R comes out too so I shouldn't mind then either.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-09-2019, 07:11 PM

Made it back to 11/19. Already feeling tense.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-14-2019, 07:13 PM

Currently fighting the secret boss, LV99, 2 million Yen in the bank.

My first attempt I made it to 20 turns then got boomed by the all-out attack. Think I need to put some health regen abilities on my Yoshitsune then I'm not wasting precious turns healing. I have the accessory from the Reaper so I'm pretty hard to kill, but my DPS isn't enough I guess.

Ohya is the worst character in the game, found out she has the same VA as Yukiko too which makes it even worse. I miss Yukiko

Haru's Persona upgrade is wild, maybe my favourite design of all the thieves. Carmen still a top contender though. All the initial ones are pretty great, though both of Futuba's are kinda lame.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-15-2019, 11:22 AM

Took me 6 attempts to beat the secret boss on Merciless, a lot of it comes down to luck but here was my strat

SPOILER: show

Joker - Yoshitsune - Divine Pillar

Hassou Tobiv | Endure
Charge | Regenerate 2
Diarahan | Regenerate 3
Arms Master | Repel Ice

Joker's role is to charge and then Hassou Tobi, that gives enough damage to see you through the damage requirement, he can have one turn per cycle where he does something else but anything more than that is game over.

I added Repel Ice after my fourth failure, because I kept getting frozen and missing a turn with zero action always meant I lost. Diarahan is there for emergencies but I never used it, another repel or an absorb would be better there.

Starting line up: Makoto, Yusuke, Haru

Makoto and Haru only get their weaknesses targeted in phase 3, while Yusuke is the most useless party member but can also reflect gun and physical damage and the aim in the first round is to not get hit with a critical. Makoto heals while Haru keeps Joker buffed with Heat Riser and dishes out one shot kill if one of Jokers attacks misses one twin or Mapsiodyne for supplementary damage. Yusuke keeps speed buffs up then does single or all damage when required (he only does chip though). Yusuke should survive the fire round due to his evade, or if he gets hit he will endure and then Futaba will save him.

The twins should have fully healed themselved by now and eventually they break out the nukes and psi attacks, in my experience Makoto and Haru are dead as soon as this happens and all of your buffs get removed, HOWEVER Futaba will swap them out for Ryuji and Morgana. Ann was never subbed, and that's a good thing because Ryuji immediately needs to put the Attack buff on and Morgana with the Speed debuff to the twins. Yusuke swaps out for Ann because its big damage time.

Ryuji charges and uses Agneyastra then buffs, Ann concentrates and uses Blazing Hell while Morgana heals. You have to get lucky with the twins staying around the same health, Caroline takes a lot of reflect damage so I found it was best to use a few single target attacks on Justine with Ann and Ryuji to keep them both level. You also have to get lucky with evades on turns where they target a weakness, you can only use one turn with Joker per cycle to get everyone back to life but the only real danger comes with the Elec / Wind turn where one of them always got hit. Provided Caroline doesn't reflect kill herself they go down way before the final phase begins and they get jacked up to hopeless levels.

Tough, frustrating fight. Much harder than P4's, but fairer than P3's.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-15-2019, 08:43 PM

December is pretty much post-Brexit Britain.

**Ultra Mantis** · 01-16-2019, 05:26 PM

QUESTION:
Does Destor really exist?

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01-02-2019, 10:01 AM	#241
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Persona 5 R has been confirmed for PS4, speculated to be an enhanced version similar to P3 FES and P4 Golden. I am still playing NG+ and I am 100% willing to buy that. They got me. Could that mean a new palace? Post game extension? More personas (where is my brain with an eye!?)? Shiho social link? Phantom thief Hifumi? Rank 11 and tier 3 personas for the Phantom Thieves? If I can change Hecate back into Carmen that would be great.

01-05-2019, 10:34 AM	#242
OssMan Chip of the Old Block Posts: 45,432	I'll probably get it I just beat Persona 4 & doing the "true ending" now.. it's a great game but holy shit there are some really annoying things about it that they thankfully fixed in 5

01-05-2019, 10:54 AM	#243
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Did you play P4 vanilla or Golden? I'm up to palace 6 in NG+ and I only have a handful of confidants left to max, Sojiro plus a few I ignored last time through. Hopefully in P5R they can fix Ohya so she's not completely useless, and if they could erase Shinya from existence that would be cool.

01-06-2019, 02:02 AM	#244
OssMan Chip of the Old Block Posts: 45,432	Vanilla.. I don't really like to play remakes I do have Persona 3 "FES" though so I guess I'm gonna play that.. did they change a lot

01-06-2019, 04:33 PM	#245
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Persona 3 can be pretty jarring, the biggest two things are that you only control the MC in battle (yes that is as bad as it sounds) the story progression is stilted and takes forever to actually get going. Oh, and the entire combat side of the game is basically Mementos, storyline missions are mostly just a boss, so it's really grindy. It's still a Persona game at it's core though and some of the social links are really good, story really picks up late game. Then there's Junpei� P4 Golden brought the fusion system up to speed with P5, so you choose which skills you want to inherit etc. and also added a bunch of other quality of life stuff. Adachi S-Link. New character with S-Link and a bonus dungeon. Extra six weeks playable of the in-game calender. You can also go outside at night to hang out with daytime Social Links (boosts affinity so you don't have to waste days with them). Extra events and voice acting for some of the text only scenes too.

01-06-2019, 07:03 PM	#246
OssMan Chip of the Old Block Posts: 45,432	Adachi S-Link.. da hell.. wouldn't that.. wtf I don't like all those changes.. although dumbass Rise wouldn't hang out with me for the last 3 weeks of the game so i never got to max her out so more time would have been cool Did they make similar changes to Persona 3 FES vs regular Persona 3

01-06-2019, 07:09 PM	#247
OssMan Chip of the Old Block Posts: 45,432	Honestly I started a new game plus in 5 and I can't be fucked with all the cutscenes. I watched the first set of them because I didn't remember a lot of the game from Kamoshida and before, but after that, nope. Can't stomach watching them eat at a hotel buffet for 15 minutes. And if they made a remake I'd feel bad skipping through any of it

01-06-2019, 07:14 PM	#248
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	FES is basically vanilla but it has an optional "epilogue", which is standalone from the main game and is pretty much a 100 floor grindfest. The actual "enhanced" version of P3 is P3Portable on the PSP, which I believe gives you full control over your party but takes away the free roam and instead just gives you a list of locations to click on. Also I think some of the non vital story events were removed.

01-09-2019, 07:11 PM	#250
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Made it back to 11/19. Already feeling tense.

01-14-2019, 07:13 PM	#251
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Currently fighting the secret boss, LV99, 2 million Yen in the bank. My first attempt I made it to 20 turns then got boomed by the all-out attack. Think I need to put some health regen abilities on my Yoshitsune then I'm not wasting precious turns healing. I have the accessory from the Reaper so I'm pretty hard to kill, but my DPS isn't enough I guess. Ohya is the worst character in the game, found out she has the same VA as Yukiko too which makes it even worse. I miss Yukiko Haru's Persona upgrade is wild, maybe my favourite design of all the thieves. Carmen still a top contender though. All the initial ones are pretty great, though both of Futuba's are kinda lame.

01-15-2019, 11:22 AM	#252
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	Took me 6 attempts to beat the secret boss on Merciless, a lot of it comes down to luck but here was my strat SPOILER: show Joker - Yoshitsune - Divine Pillar Hassou Tobiv \| Endure Charge \| Regenerate 2 Diarahan \| Regenerate 3 Arms Master \| Repel Ice Joker's role is to charge and then Hassou Tobi, that gives enough damage to see you through the damage requirement, he can have one turn per cycle where he does something else but anything more than that is game over. I added Repel Ice after my fourth failure, because I kept getting frozen and missing a turn with zero action always meant I lost. Diarahan is there for emergencies but I never used it, another repel or an absorb would be better there. Starting line up: Makoto, Yusuke, Haru Makoto and Haru only get their weaknesses targeted in phase 3, while Yusuke is the most useless party member but can also reflect gun and physical damage and the aim in the first round is to not get hit with a critical. Makoto heals while Haru keeps Joker buffed with Heat Riser and dishes out one shot kill if one of Jokers attacks misses one twin or Mapsiodyne for supplementary damage. Yusuke keeps speed buffs up then does single or all damage when required (he only does chip though). Yusuke should survive the fire round due to his evade, or if he gets hit he will endure and then Futaba will save him. The twins should have fully healed themselved by now and eventually they break out the nukes and psi attacks, in my experience Makoto and Haru are dead as soon as this happens and all of your buffs get removed, HOWEVER Futaba will swap them out for Ryuji and Morgana. Ann was never subbed, and that's a good thing because Ryuji immediately needs to put the Attack buff on and Morgana with the Speed debuff to the twins. Yusuke swaps out for Ann because its big damage time. Ryuji charges and uses Agneyastra then buffs, Ann concentrates and uses Blazing Hell while Morgana heals. You have to get lucky with the twins staying around the same health, Caroline takes a lot of reflect damage so I found it was best to use a few single target attacks on Justine with Ann and Ryuji to keep them both level. You also have to get lucky with evades on turns where they target a weakness, you can only use one turn with Joker per cycle to get everyone back to life but the only real danger comes with the Elec / Wind turn where one of them always got hit. Provided Caroline doesn't reflect kill herself they go down way before the final phase begins and they get jacked up to hopeless levels. Tough, frustrating fight. Much harder than P4's, but fairer than P3's.

01-15-2019, 08:43 PM	#253
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	December is pretty much post-Brexit Britain.

01-16-2019, 05:26 PM	#254
Ultra Mantis Grim Fandango Posts: 4,568	QUESTION: Does Destor really exist?