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Old 06-27-2013, 12:37 AM   #81
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I often think about how general opinion on Henry has seemingly gone from an almost universal "he's terrible" and his name being brought up as a waste of money every time releases were mentioning, to being pretty much universally beloved. Henry is classified as "good" these days, which is good for him.
Persistance pays. He didn't give up or jump ship... all the cheezy, uplifting shit Cena has been putting on his shirts for the last 5 years, Henry has lived through it during his entire WWE tenure.

And it helps that he is apparently a pretty nice guy. Never heard any stories about him being any kind of asshole IRL. I remember some radio interview I caught about Randy Orton where he was talking about being stiffed by Mark in that posted match (I think it was that one, not sure) with him on accident... to the effect of (paraphrased) "Bless him, he's a big guy who doesn't really know his strength; if you know him, you know he's not really trying to hurt you". Hell, he was one of the few guys I actually *believed* during RAW is OWEN; he wasn't trying to be "in character" and pretty much showed he was truly a gentle giant.

Also, I would say a sizable element of luck played into him lasting long enough to mature into some greatness. Much like I said Triple H was a pretty mediocre guy who excelled at making the most of all the cards falling his way, much the same could be said about Henry... sort of. He wasn't anything particularly special outside of the WWF's desire to use him as a cross-promotional heavy... Vince's big man fettish? Check. Big BLACK man? Check. POWERLIFTER?! That's perfect from back in the ICO:PRO days, so check there too.

It already wasn't going to matter if he sucked ass, he "looked the shit". And all those detrimental injuries really prolonged his career in a way. He was never overexposed to where people got sick of him, and could always come in just about anywhere and be viewed as a credible threat. And then, there's Kurt Angle. What does Kurt have to do with Mark? Well, he kind of took that Olympian ball and ran with it... that same banner they initally wanted Mark to wave around. They couldn't really view Henry as a failure in that reguard there since they came into somebody who was just better with it. He never had the juiced-up, roided out physique of someone like a Chris Masters, so when he looked to be less in shape, there wasn't any "the illusion's gone" moment with him.

And even with that, he didn't just sit on his big ass and go "pfft, they ain't gon' fire me!" He actually tried to get better. He worked on cutting promos. He got better in the ring, even AFTER getting his mobility hampered by repeated knee trauma and having to move all that around all these years. He's got the "big man" ring psychology down. The big ass man can also take some big ass bumps.

Again, Cena's shirt says it all: HUSTLE, LOYALTY, RESPECT. Mark Henry has done all that. Hustled his ass off (figuratively), been a loyal WWE man, and has earned any respect he's due.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:53 AM   #82
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You lost me at "Triple H was a pretty mediocre guy." Shut the fuck up.
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:09 AM   #83
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Yeah, yeah... we've already been down that road. Like I said before, wasn't really knocking the guy, but Trips could have just as easily been one of those that got lost in the shuffle and/or future endeavored because WWE had nothing for him.

Hell, one slight misalignment of the stars, James, and you'd prob'ly be the Archbiship of the Church of Bradshaw today, and Hunter would be on commentary and climbing mountains around the world while everyone comments on how hot Stephanie McMahon-Layfeld is.
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Now that I think of it, the only match that he was in that sticks out in my memory as 'good' was when he won the WHC from Randy Orton.
The Hell in a Cell rematch was pretty good, too.
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I think they mean it's the only title WORTH winning that he hasn't won. He's never been the Divas champion ever, but I'm willing to let that ride.
It's a sad day for wrestling when we don't see the Intercontinental, U.S. or Tag Team Titles as "titles worth winning".
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Seems to me like waiting to bring more guys on until they’re 27-30 and with proper training, experience and whatever is the ideal. Granted that’s just an arbitrary and rather shallow age range I gave, but Sheamus was in the Indies until late 2006 when he went to FCW at 28. 3 years and a couple of months later, thanks to one Jesse “The Body” Ventura, he got a WWE title shot against Cena at TLC 2009 in a tables match:


John Cena (c) vs. Sheamus, Tables WWE title... by pocomaxa

So yes, I would say Mr. Helms has an excellent point.
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Still think that it would have made far more sense to have Jack Swagger beat John Cena at the PPV.
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Yeah Sheamus' reign as WWE Champion was terrible
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Let's get this back on topic. Mick Foley is minutes away from heart failure.
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I am pretty sure Mick Foley is going to pass away soon. With his history of sacrificing for the business he's probably going to do it before Undertaker retires and right before Mania.
DDP saved Foley's life.
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"DTTS presents facts!" Sorry but that's complete nonsense.

I see. Do you speculate that everybody that has accomplished everything they ever wanted then let themselves go a bit has an "addictive personality"? Especially say an endomorph like Foley who probably had to fight just to maintain the "shape" he was in for the bulk of his active career?

And you're talking like the guy is Bastion Booger up in a bitch. And this notion that he's "given up on life" is the daftest part of your entire argument here.
lol, CSL was dumb here.
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No shit, everybody fucking dies eventually. Whether it's their last 5, 10, 20 or 40 years, the fact that you think you're some kind of moral authority on how anyone, let alone a complete stranger to you like Foley, should live the remainder of their lives is ridiculous. Not too mention the fact that people in great shape who do nothing but take care of themselves drop dead daily and folks who treat their bodies horribly have gone on to live to be 100.

having grown up watching him, I can understand being concerned for Foley and wanting him to have a long healthy life, but the fact that you think you're some kind of expert on how he should live or behave is pathetic. It has nothing to do with how much money he has or whether he's accomplished his goals. He's a free human fucking being with free will and as long as he doesn't harm anyone else, he can do whatever he wants and live the way that makes him happy.
Millionaire entrepreneur and philanthropist right here.
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lol, CSL was dumb here.
Not really.
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CSL was one of the dumb ones for sure.
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CSL was great.
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Great and not that bright.

He's like a cool STD.
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You're drastically off the mark there.
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He's like a less cool STD?
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Seriously, CSL was like, "FOLEY DESERVES TO BE FAT IF HE WANTS TO!" which is like the dumbest position you can take.

I was apparently right about how bad a place Foley was in at the time.
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November 2011 he was measure at 6'1 despite being 6'4.

He had acquired scoliosis. He was in constant pain and dealing with a great deal of depression.

"I gave up. I officially gave up on myself physically."

CSL: LOL, HE'S HAVING THE TIME OF HIS LIFE. LEAVE HIM ALONE!"
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He's like a less cool STD?
Pretty sure like Supreme, he's also a lawyer. I'm not sure you get there by being dumb. You also think Kalyx is extremely intelligent because he agrees with you on certain things, so... there's that
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Pretty sure like Supreme, he's also a lawyer. I'm not sure you get there by being dumb. You also think Kalyx is extremely intelligent because he agrees with you on certain things, so... there's that
Lawyers can be retarded, actually. Also, unless you know they're a lawyer, they're probably a paralegal or just taking classes like BigCrippy.

Kalyx is not stupid, I know you think he is because he disagrees with you on certain things, so...there's that.

CSL is full-blown STD level IQ.
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Seriously, CSL was like, "FOLEY DESERVES TO BE FAT IF HE WANTS TO!" which is like the dumbest position you can take.

I was apparently right about how bad a place Foley was in at the time.
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November 2011 he was measure at 6'1 despite being 6'4.

He had acquired scoliosis. He was in constant pain and dealing with a great deal of depression.

"I gave up. I officially gave up on myself physically."

CSL: LOL, HE'S HAVING THE TIME OF HIS LIFE. LEAVE HIM ALONE!"
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:30 AM   #105
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Kalyx is not stupid, I know you think he is because he disagrees with you on certain things, so...there's that.

CSL is full-blown STD level IQ.
Nah. You disagree with me on pretty much EVERYTHING and I think you're smart. So ha!

Kalyx for all I know has a high IQ, but sorrily lacks in EQ and it makes him seem like a dumbfuck.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:47 AM   #106
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You just think you disagree with me.

Anyway, EQ is boring to me. I prefer problem solvers.
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