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Old 09-14-2018, 10:45 AM   #41
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I remember years ago where there was a span of a couple months or so where every Raw would end with an insane cliffhanger ending. I remember the stage collapsing on Vince, JBL driving a car into Cena while he was propped up against another. There were a few more. It seemed like they had a sudden plan to have every Raw end with something crazy and then dropped it when they realized how hard it would be.
Like they really don't do episodic t.v anymore. I could watch Raw next week after not watching for roughly 3 years and not miss a beat because there's no week to week storylines. I read Raw recaps every week and it comes off as stand alone shows.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:39 AM   #42
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I get the feeling they think what they're doing IS episodic. Like, you have to tune in to see what happens next in the Braun vs Reigns saga. The answer is nothing. But it's like they think "they fight" suffices as story telling.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:40 PM   #43
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Like they really don't do episodic t.v anymore. I could watch Raw next week after not watching for roughly 3 years and not miss a beat because there's no week to week storylines. I read Raw recaps every week and it comes off as stand alone shows.
I read the Raw recap this week because I didn't feel like going into the Raw thread. Oh...dear...god.

Everything is just so...broad. There's nothing sharp or jutty or pinpoint about this product. I can't even say it in familiar English terms, haha. It's like if play-fighting was exaggerated to pantomime levels and everyone was an idiot. Whens someone hears queued music play, they'll turn their whole body around, lose their fighting stance, and spread their legs so someone can roll them up.

The recaps actually read like these "and then wrestler (x) cut a promo, while wrestlers (y) stood there and listened to the promo, but then wrestlers (a) came out and beat up wrestlers (y) who let them, then wrestlers (a) were in the back and got arrested for "breaking the law" and wrestlers (a) cracked bad jokes..."

It's fucking gone. I don't know when it happened, but everything's gone. The working element is one of the worst parts of current WWE, and no one really talks about it. They act as if the matches are great, but they're all these illogical trope-filled bore-fests where they give themselves away all the time. If the booking suddenly got good, you'd still have that problem.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:32 PM   #44
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Very weird! I think fans keep buying in b/c there are parts they like but what's pushed at the top. You'd think the non-smark crowds would be more vocal about they like.
“Smart fans” go for the same reason we keep coming here/keep watching; hope.

What if they don’t go to a show local to them and something big happens? There might only be a slim chance of something big happening, but there’s still a chance.

There’s always the hope that another “CM Punk Pipe Bomb” or “Nexus Attack” might happen at the show that you’re at, even if they are the most recent ones that come to mind for me.
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Half these angles would get over a shit ton more if the guys could cut better promos, instead of the pre-produce stuff today with no emotion.

Newstead and I were talking about Don Muraco last night on facebook messenger so I went back and watched the Rogers Corner that started their legendary feud. Watch how awesome Muraco is at getting himself over as this loudmouth, obnoxious slob. A simple angle that turns into an amazing one because Muraco believes what he's saying. Listen to that pop after Snuka goes after him. Pure emotion.



This is Muraco standing in front of an empty ring with Vince cutting a local promo and it's better than anything on Monday night

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Old 09-15-2018, 05:02 PM   #46
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Wrestling in the late 90’s was interesting. There was always something going on. You felt like random people might come down an interrupt a match. Matches went longer than 10 minutes. Even if the product is better, the attention span of wrestling fans can only go so far. There are some days wear I like the pacing of the product today but most days I just want to see the chaos from the 90’s
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Old 09-15-2018, 06:26 PM   #47
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Matches in the late 90s did not go 10 minutes regularly, not on Raw anyway.
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:46 PM   #48
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:52 AM   #49
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Outside of the fact that they're on the Network instead of cable, at least to me in recent years, most of the Network/PPV events feel and are too much like any other Raw or SD and vice versa. For example, Wrestler A pins Wrestler B in a match on a PPV, and Cole screams about what a big shock or deal it is. However, it doesn't really matter because we just watched the two wrestlers trade wins back and forth in the same fashion on Raw/SD for the last several weeks or months. So in the end, it's all meaningless and nothing really happens, let alone is interesting.
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Half these angles would get over a shit ton more if the guys could cut better promos, instead of the pre-produce stuff today with no emotion.

Newstead and I were talking about Don Muraco last night on facebook messenger so I went back and watched the Rogers Corner that started their legendary feud. Watch how awesome Muraco is at getting himself over as this loudmouth, obnoxious slob. A simple angle that turns into an amazing one because Muraco believes what he's saying. Listen to that pop after Snuka goes after him. Pure emotion.



This is Muraco standing in front of an empty ring with Vince cutting a local promo and it's better than anything on Monday night
I've said it before. Scripted promos are one of the biggest culprits of WWE being the drizzling shits now. The wrestlers should have the power to sink or swim. All the writers do is make everyone sound like the same boring clone. Imagine Austin's promo after King of the Ring or Rock's promos being scripted by today's writers. *cringe*
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:51 PM   #52
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Really don't think "Steve Austin says I'm the best and you fans are all trash!" or whatever cliche some overpaid TV writer would have come up with would have been as iconic as what the guy just channeling an over-the-top version of his own unique personality came up with.
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:55 PM   #53
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Hell, imagine a coked up Savage or Hogan or Warrior or a hungover Flair just focusing on reciting some lines from today's writers instead of doing their thing? FUUUUUUCK.
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The problem also being instead of an eclectic group of characters a la the circus you have boring straight forward athlete types on strict CrossFit regimes in bed by 9.
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And it always seems they are trying to play a character versus that is who they actually are throw scripted promos on top of that and it’s death, at least creatively, to a product.
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Imagine Austin's promo after King of the Ring or Rock's promos being scripted by today's writers. *cringe*
"Jake Roberts, I've got one thing to say to you and that is get out of my ring!

You talk about a higher power, well, I'm now the higher power and I've just beaten you so badly that you'll be praying for it to never happen again!

You're not what you used to be Jake. I'm the King Of The Ring and you're just a loser, like every other WWF Superstar in the back!

As for tonight's WWF Championship match, I don't care who wins because I'm gonna destroy the champion when the time comes and be your WWF Champion!

Trust me on that!"
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I've said it before. Scripted promos are one of the biggest culprits of WWE being the drizzling shits now. The wrestlers should have the power to sink or swim. All the writers do is make everyone sound like the same boring clone. Imagine Austin's promo after King of the Ring or Rock's promos being scripted by today's writers. *cringe*
Even worse would be today's commentary recapping it. If Creative didn't kill the moment, WWE's commentary afterwards would.

Closet WWE ever got to having another JR & Austin type connection was with Cole and Cena. Problem is Cole comes off a lot as a poor man's JR and it made very little sense when he was a heel commentator.
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Haha you're not wrong


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Old 09-17-2018, 07:27 PM   #64
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I don't care who WWE pushes, what I want is LOGIC.

Example, Braun and Becky now being heels because WWE said so, is not logical.

Finn Balor putting paint on one night and being the most dominant guy in the company, then not putting the paint on again for another 9 months, that is not logical.

Taking a guy who was an amazing heel, and turning him face on the main roster because he has a great entrance theme so he is obviously a good person, not logical.

Building a woman as an unstoppable warrior for 3 years, just to have her tap out in 5 seconds to put over a woman who they then had lose 2 fucking days later to a former manager that can BARELY wrestler, is not fucking logical.

Having two guys who have walked away from everything including ambulance crashes, lay motionless after 1 spear for 10 minutes while 5 run ins happen, Holy Hell in the Cell is that not logical!

That is what I want.
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There are too many types of fans to make a pleasing product with mass appeal. Wrestling has become compartmentalized niche fandoms.
Some of this could be reconciled if WWE kind of went back to what they used to do to make them successful in the first place. WWE has morphed into this bad attempt at a drama production that just so happens to maybe have matches instead of wrestling matches with drama.

Wrestling has pretty much always operated under "niche fandoms". WWE's success has become one of their biggest hinderances.
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