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Old 02-08-2021, 11:11 AM   #1
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When did WWE "lose" you? (If they did)

For years I had this allegiance to WWE that I would not let die because of all the great memories I had. Over time it got to a point though where they just had all of this power being the only game in town and they consistently either abused it or just got complacent. By the time AEW came around, I was already looking elsewhere to NJPW so the stars just perfectly aligned. I don't want this thread to get twisted. This is not a "haha WWE sux, AEW rulez" thread. I just have a very limited amount of time now for wrestling (had twins) so I only have time to watch what I really want to. I've found myself going to AEW over WWE and I think it has alot to do with how WWE treated fans during the "power era."

They lost me by:

-Constantly disparaging "internet fans," even though they're the most hardcore fans of the product.

-Building developmental stars only to have them be jobbers immediately on the main roster.

-Vince just being stuck in his ways on certain talent. Once he makes his mind up, he'll never change it. If you're a midcarder or a tag guy when he meets you, you'll likely stay that way. (EC3, Sandow, Morrison)

-The move to Fox just made it not feel like wrestling anymore.

If I had to pinpoint a moment where I just felt alienated from the product it was when Braun Strowman won the tag titles with an 8 year old. I was rewatching the event the next day with a non-wrestling fan and I was legitimately embarrassed to be a fan. She was like "what the fuck is this?" And I had nothing.

If WWE lost you, what did it? If you're still chugging along, what's making you stay?


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Old 02-08-2021, 11:33 AM   #2
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in 2004 when I learned the undertaker wasnt actually dead and that it was a fake CGI hand coming out of his grave
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Old 02-08-2021, 11:35 AM   #3
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My first exit was when I went to college, I kinda exited a lot of hobbies during that time, posted a lot less. I only really watched ECW occasionally because it was an hour and not filled with the stupid shit. (By no means am I saying that (WWECW was great).


I then got back in during the Nexus run for a little bit and then during "The Summer of Punk" but stepped out when Nash and Triple H got involved in that storyline.


I think Lesnar coming back got me fully back into it, I'd watch both Raw and Smackdown. I even came to a point where I fully looked forward to watching Styles, Ambrose and Cena on SDL. I started hating Raw at that point because they forcing the whole Roman push when they started the whole "Wildcard rule" where Roman could just show up on any show I pretty much tapped out.
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in 2004 when I learned the undertaker wasnt actually dead and that it was a fake CGI hand coming out of his grave
But the lightning powers are real, right? Holding out hope.
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Old 02-08-2021, 11:55 AM   #5
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I think I stopped watching after that Hell in a Cell with The Grind/Rollins. I had been hating it for a long time though. I did watch Mania last year but I haven't watched since. There have been many weeks in the past 15 years I didn't care to watch WWE but I would our of boredom/habit. I can't see myself going back until Vince dies.
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-Building developmental stars only to have them be jobbers immediately on the main roster.
*Ding Ding Ding*

This 100%

The most hardcore fans watched NXT on the Network and were invested in the NXT stars. Vince calling them up, assuming the ENTIRE fan base of Raw or Smackdown watched NXT, they after the initial few appearances Vince just got bored and gave up.

It makes it hard to get invested in anything they do, so if you miss a Raw or Smackdown, it's no big deal.
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Old 02-08-2021, 12:18 PM   #7
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Old 02-08-2021, 12:43 PM   #8
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I've always had a love/hate relationship with watching but covid has completely killed it for me. Rasslin' without the crowd is ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:23 PM   #9
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i would say around mania 4, after the piper hogan feuds. 90s wcw was so much better, i just kind of watched raw then. post fall of wcw forced with the same wwe crap, was happy when tna showed up on fox sports watching them since. still watch wwe luke warm.
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:34 PM   #10
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:42 PM   #11
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When they started making everything the same (entrances, lack of pyro, etc.) and also when Cena would just win all the god damn time.


Things became way too predictable, which made them less interesting. Then so much stupid shit started with weekly "story lines" that was just so fucking dumb.


Started reading recaps to see if things changed, never turned back. I cannot recall the last time I wanted to tune in to a weekly show.
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:44 PM   #12
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Also feels like there just aren't stars anymore.


So fucking sick of Oldberg. Couldn't care less. And Edge being the big story out of the Rumble and into Mania season is even worse. So boring.
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:47 PM   #13
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Whatever mania it was where Triple H won the title at Rumble and defended against Reigns. Namely because you had a chance to go into Mania and do something completely different. Ambrose was there, he was over, and the company needed to elevate other guys. They didn't do that. They went Triple H, and forced a boring Reigns v Triple H match down our throats. Nothing changed when it was clear a change was needed. They just chugged right along with the same old boring stuff. At that point I cancelled my network sub after Mania, and now only watch 2 shows a year. And even then, I haven't watched a full mania since.
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Not just WWE but wrestling in general lost me with the indy vanilla midget generation, yes they are all incredibles athletes but except for a handful of guys they can't tell a story in the ring, they just do moves after moves for no real reason at all. I had hope for AEW but even if I try a lot I can't get to like it and it, I try to get Omega but his whole gimmick seems to be that he does retard faces, there is at least 10 guys better than him in the ring, the whole show gives a 2000 wcw or monday night war TNA vibe !
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Old 02-08-2021, 02:57 PM   #16
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Not just WWE but wrestling in general lost me with the indy vanilla midget generation, yes they are all incredibles athletes but except for a handful of guys they can't tell a story in the ring, they just do moves after moves for no real reason at all. I had hope for AEW but even if I try a lot I can't get to like it and it, I try to get Omega but his whole gimmick seems to be that he does retard faces, there is at least 10 guys better than him in the ring, the whole show gives a 2000 wcw or monday night war TNA vibe !
I mean, that wasn't the question. But alright.
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Old 02-08-2021, 03:01 PM   #17
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It’s been happening against my will for a long time, but I think I ticked over to consciously disliking the company in 2015. That Royal Rumble Match was just so amazingly out of touch and a deliberate attempt to tea-bag my soul.

I don’t know if they can ever get me back, but lately I’ve admired how much more logical and consistent they are than AEW. Raw is probably a lost hope. It’s just too long and too...Raw. I could get into shorter, focused, better shows they produce though.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:00 PM   #18
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Stopped watching a few months after WrestleMania 35. Was just a combination of so many things, though....

The constant buildup of guys and then not paying it off... Braun being built up huge and then not getting any belt until far past the time when I stopped caring and his momentum was gone.... Samoa Joe being built up and going nowhere (though part of that is injuries).... NXT guys getting called up and going nowhere....

The months of Roman/Seth vs Drew McIntyre/Bobby Lashley/Baron Corbin who were perhaps the dullest top heels of RAW ever facing off against some of the dullest top faces....

Meanwhile on SD Kofi had won the belt and it was a great moment but... immediately afterward it felt just wrong that this dinky little clapping tag team dude was the world champ, and instead of trying to move him away from that or make him more "legit" he pretty much stayed the same..... and I became uninterested in him too....

Becky Lynch was doing great but pretty much had no "legit" competition other than Charlotte so what she was doing was pretty much "ok, whatever"

So first I started to not watch live, and find myself fast-forwarding through like 90% of the shows.... then I just thought to myself... I could be using this time and doing other things that I enjoy much more.

And here we are. Stopped watching, don't really miss it.

Started watching AEW when it first aired, but quickly found myself fast-forwarding through everything except Chris Jericho and finally just said "meh, I think I really am just done"
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:04 PM   #19
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WrestleMania 32. Probably the biggest push to cause a mass suicide since Jonestown. I've never looked back and I'm pretty sure it added years to my life.
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I think it was the summer of 2017 or '18 when Braun Strowman was on a quest to trying to come close to murdering Roman Reigns on live television..............without getting in trouble of course. The fanbase was loving it and behind him 100%. They should have pulled the trigger and gave Braun the belt. But, it never happened. Instead, he fizzled out, got fed to Brock, and that was it.

Then I went to the G1 Supercard at MSG in 2019. Got a firestick and a subscription to NJPW World and really haven't looked back.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:56 PM   #21
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Old 02-08-2021, 11:24 PM   #22
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We were lucky enough to enjoy the attitude era.

Things started to put me off:
HHH reign as champion in the early 2000s.
Authority figures
Kid friendly
When punk left

The only thing I tune in for is to see who brick is gonna fuck up. Don’t even know most of the roster. They are simply not stars like we had before. WWE cant make legends like they used to.

The product has not grit, and covid19 has watered it down to gloried backyard wrestling with no large crowd to create atmosphere
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When they stopped doing traditional Survivor Series matches that had the surviving faces take on the surviving heels at the end.
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Old 02-09-2021, 12:01 AM   #24
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Like others have pointed out, my "hardcore" interest eroded over time with WWE's constant need to sign and waste talent - used to be from people who made a name on the indy scene just to warehouse them in a contract so they can't make noise elsewhere, but now with nearly everyone they sign - made way more obvious with the post-reality show style "contest" version of NXT we have now. It went from "OOOH! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE X ON THE MAIN ROSTER!" and "HOLY SHIT!! THEY SIGNED Y?!? NO WAY!! THE PASTABILITIES ARE ENDLESS (breadsticks and salads)!!!" down to "Oh. Welp, let's see how they ruin *this* talent when they get called up.

The company has found a way to just beat all hope out of anyone. And that's the worst of it. Any time they seem like they're going to push someone, the reaction isn't "about time!" anymore, it's "yeah, sure, how many weeks is this going to last before this plug gets pulled?" WWE is rivaling Google with projects they kill off, but they don't have a website dedicated to listing wasted talent names like the "Google graveyard" does.

A secondary reason is semi-related to the first, in that once they have the idea that something should happen for business reasons, they'll do whatever shitty gymnastics to get there. Trying to invent a replacement for Rey Mysterio from whole cloth multiple times. Pushing Jinder Mahal on the transparent notion of gaining Bollywood market share. Hiring a bunch of latino talent to make a push for the Brazil market that went nowhere, and then dropping that idea and leaving that same latino talent to be lower midcard at best. Not letting Roman Reigns progress naturally and trying to make him the next top babyface of the company through hell or high water for the last few years. Trying to kill Daniel Bryan (figuratively, and possibly literally).

But thinking back, I think the decline for me started in the Smackdown Six era, when it seemed like people were getting over on SD and it was way more fun and exciting to watch than RAW, so then Vince and co. would devise contrived reasons for that talent to start appearing on RAW instead, or later, both shows (defeating the purpose of even having it separated) instead of putting the same care and attention into the talent and direction on RAW that the Smackdown wrestlers were getting.
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The constant camera cuts will prevent me from ever going back.
This one is so baffling. Literally no other show in the world has anywhere near HALF that many cuts. How WWE decided to start doing that, who knows, but how they have continued doing it for so long is bonkers.
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Like others have pointed out, my "hardcore" interest eroded over time with WWE's constant need to sign and waste talent - used to be from people who made a name on the indy scene just to warehouse them in a contract so they can't make noise elsewhere, but now with nearly everyone they sign - made way more obvious with the post-reality show style "contest" version of NXT we have now. It went from "OOOH! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE X ON THE MAIN ROSTER!" and "HOLY SHIT!! THEY SIGNED Y?!? NO WAY!! THE PASTABILITIES ARE ENDLESS (breadsticks and salads)!!!" down to "Oh. Welp, let's see how they ruin *this* talent when they get called up.

The company has found a way to just beat all hope out of anyone. And that's the worst of it. Any time they seem like they're going to push someone, the reaction isn't "about time!" anymore, it's "yeah, sure, how many weeks is this going to last before this plug gets pulled?" WWE is rivaling Google with projects they kill off, but they don't have a website dedicated to listing wasted talent names like the "Google graveyard" does.

A secondary reason is semi-related to the first, in that once they have the idea that something should happen for business reasons, they'll do whatever shitty gymnastics to get there. Trying to invent a replacement for Rey Mysterio from whole cloth multiple times. Pushing Jinder Mahal on the transparent notion of gaining Bollywood market share. Hiring a bunch of latino talent to make a push for the Brazil market that went nowhere, and then dropping that idea and leaving that same latino talent to be lower midcard at best. Not letting Roman Reigns progress naturally and trying to make him the next top babyface of the company through hell or high water for the last few years. Trying to kill Daniel Bryan (figuratively, and possibly literally).

But thinking back, I think the decline for me started in the Smackdown Six era, when it seemed like people were getting over on SD and it was way more fun and exciting to watch than RAW, so then Vince and co. would devise contrived reasons for that talent to start appearing on RAW instead, or later, both shows (defeating the purpose of even having it separated) instead of putting the same care and attention into the talent and direction on RAW that the Smackdown wrestlers were getting.
The brand split died this time the exact way it did last time. First they get rid of show exclusive PPVs, then they start letting people be on both shows, then they pretend there is some HUGE brand loyalty when people are on both shows and guys like K.O. and Miz get drafted back and forth every single year.
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Old 02-10-2021, 11:57 AM   #29
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I was never a fan on Smackdown, was always a Raw guy but (im from the UK so im not sure if its the same in the US) but once Raw started to go to advertisements every 5 minutes in the middle of a match then come back to the show, have a backstage segment interview and then back to adverts i just lost the appeal to stay awake until 3am watching advert after advert and then with so much TV time over the week and this just pushed me back. I still watch a PPV and catchup through YouTube results but i honestly dont have the time or patience especially to watch a product that has nothing to inspire me with.
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Old 02-12-2021, 04:15 AM   #30
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It's been a gradual loss but it's taken place since WM31, a little more each year since.
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Old 02-12-2021, 08:18 AM   #31
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I stopped watching SmackDown in 11/12 once they started turning every Raw into a "Supershow", it was clear nothing important would ever happen on SmackDown from then on, it would either be shown on Raw or if there was a banger of a match it would be done again on Raw.

Then Raw moved to 3 hours inb 2012 and many weeks it felt like such a slog to get through. At numerous points between 2014-16 I took breaks away from weekly viewing.

When the brand split came back in 2016 I decided to give it a chance and for a while I actually found myself really enjoying both programs. With defined rosters and separate creative teams, everything felt somewhat fresh and refocused. It didn't last long, I think Raw was back to feeling like Raw by the end of the year. SmackDown was dope for a little while longer but when they forced the Jinder title run, did an endless Orton/Jinder feud, jobbed Nakamura to him multiple times, etc. Bleh. So it was back to breaks and dipping in and out.

I watched the entire Road to WM 35 since I was going to the show and didn't see anything that made me want to go back to committing 5 hours a week.
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I guess the first time was 2003, when RAW was super boring so I only watched Smackdown. Fell off completely in like 2006 I think. Jumped back into it in 2008 when The Gold Standard and I were roommates/radio co-hosts.

More recently though, I now watch the 90-minute Hulu cuts of the shows. There's no way I'm sitting through three hours of RAW every week. They haven't shown me anything that makes me want to commit to that. Been really enjoying Smackdown lately so that keeps me invested overall.
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Old 02-12-2021, 11:12 AM   #33
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This one is so baffling. Literally no other show in the world has anywhere near HALF that many cuts. How WWE decided to start doing that, who knows, but how they have continued doing it for so long is bonkers.
I stopped watching regularly at around 2016. Every once in a while I'll flip it on. I don't remember it being this bad. It's jarring. I feel like I'm gonna a get motion sickness watching this shit. I watched the Men's Rumble a couple of weeks ago and couldn't believe the amount of cuts. For the fucking Rumble! Which is completely unnecessary.

There's so many other options nowadays that weren't around even 10 years ago that there's little need to go back.
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Old 02-12-2021, 11:17 AM   #34
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New angles would be better than more cuts.


Though I do see most of the cuts taking place to make the fake fighting look more realistic.
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I was briefly interested again in 2014-2015 but I feel like I liked guys like Mizdow and Adam Rose who had really funny gimmicks but amounted to nothing, meanwhile Ramon Reigns was having really boring main event matches every PPV.
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New angles would be better than more cuts.


Though I do see most of the cuts taking place to make the fake fighting look more realistic.
It's sad that they need camera cuts to make their shit look realistic.
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I stopped watching regularly at around 2016. Every once in a while I'll flip it on. I don't remember it being this bad. It's jarring. I feel like I'm gonna a get motion sickness watching this shit. I watched the Men's Rumble a couple of weeks ago and couldn't believe the amount of cuts. For the fucking Rumble! Which is completely unnecessary.

There's so many other options nowadays that weren't around even 10 years ago that there's little need to go back.
It's definitely gotten worse in the last three years I think.

It made a neat idea (RAW Underground) totally unwatchable.
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My interest lessened more and more as WWE continued to devolve into the soulless corporate brand it is now. Raw lost me a long time ago where I realized I was just watching it because it was a thing I was familiar with and it used to be good. But I wasn’t enjoying it and very rarely would I look back and say “I’m glad I watched that.” Smackdown was really good in 2016 with Shane and Bryan as the face authority figures with Ambrose and Styles feuding over the title. That actually felt fresh and fun. And NXT was putting together a string of Takeovers that were just incredible.

Now everything is just so bland and low stakes that it’s really not that fun to watch most of it.
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