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Old 10-05-2019, 12:10 PM   #881
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Live TV Ratings for SmackDownon FOX are in

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Hr 1 - 3.92
Hr 2 - 3.82

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Bit surprised it was that high and also almost managed to double last week's number.

Next week is probably going to drop but not that badly due to the Draft but after that, wouldn't be surprised if SD hits a RAW 25/Reunion level drop.
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Old 10-06-2019, 12:46 PM   #883
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The show had Rock advertised and it is pretty big that they are going to FOX. I think they did a better than usual job of using their stars to hook people. Rock put over Becky Lynch. Owens fired Shane. Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez are now “in-universe.” Roman and Bryan looked good as babyfaces.

They may not drop as much as they normally do.
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:30 PM   #884
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I gotta wonder if Raw's rating gets a bump
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:52 PM   #885
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The show had Rock advertised and it is pretty big that they are going to FOX. I think they did a better than usual job of using their stars to hook people. Rock put over Becky Lynch. Owens fired Shane. Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez are now “in-universe.” Roman and Bryan looked good as babyfaces.

They may not drop as much as they normally do.
None of that actually is interesting or matters though.

Rock's not going to be back anytime soon, so what does it really matter.

I don't give a fuck about the rest, and why should or would I or anyone else, because none of it will matter in 2-4 weeks time with Vince in charge.

Roman and Bryan looked good... so what? Two guys who have essentially been the focus and booked to "look good" as headliners for the last 4-5 years now are still the focus. Wooo. Real exciting game changing stuff there.

This company is a joke. All I can do is laugh at how pathetic it's become.

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Old 10-08-2019, 04:24 PM   #886
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Raw:

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Hr 1 - 2.44
Hr 2 - 2.33
Hr 3 - 2.23

Avg - 2.33 million viewers
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Most Watched on YT:
Braun/Tyson Fury - 2 million
Rusev snaps - 1.1 million
Becky/Charlotte on Miz TV - 410k
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damnit I wanted those numbers lower >_<
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Lower than last week's "season premiere" which makes sense but higher than 2 weeks ago which shouldn't have been the case based on the abysmal effort WWE gave even by their standards.

They got really lucky last night's NFL game was a dud in terms of competitiveness and didn't drive away more of their audience from the Cell's terrible ending.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:39 PM   #889
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Morbid curiosity.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:09 PM   #890
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Yep. There’s a chunk in that figure that just wanted to see what WWE would do following the reaction to HIAC.
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Both AEW and NXT got hammered this week in ratings although NXT's overall drop was less severe in terms of viewership.

AEW got 1.018 million viewers and a #8 ranking while NXT got 790k and a #27 ranking.
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Interesting enough, 0.01 of a point in that demo in either direction could have swung NXT as high as #19 and as low as #31 for the night.

AEW wouldn't have been able to swing up but would have dropped down by just 1 spot had the same happened to them.
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Some more numbers stuff:

AEW on TruTv managed to snag around 122k viewers and a #126 ranking putting the overall live total at 1.14 million.

AEW also managed to grow from 109.0 last week to 153.0 this week on TSN for Canada. NXT doesn't air on Wednesdays in Canada.



NXT suffered another big demo drop across the board except for the 50+ crowd which actually went up. It was also the only demo that did better than AEW's show for a second week in a row.


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Although there's no way to know this for sure, I'm willing to bet that the young demos fro NXT are higher, but they probably catch it on the WWE Network at their discretion, as opposed to going out of their way to operate a TV in 2019. I'm sure many of them are checking out AEW on Wednesday, where it primarily airs, getting more than their fair share of wrestling, then using the app to watch NXT if they are so inclined the next day or whenever they get a chance.
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Darby Allin vs. Jimmy Havoc was the big loser from this week's Dynamite, dropping 196,000 viewers. The end of The Young Bucks vs. Private Party and the Jericho promo also hurt them by about 44,000. The women's tag picked up a lot, and Moxley and the main event also gained viewers.

You can't always go off quarter-hours, but 196k is fucking steep.
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Although there's no way to know this for sure, I'm willing to bet that the young demos fro NXT are higher, but they probably catch it on the WWE Network at their discretion, as opposed to going out of their way to operate a TV in 2019. I'm sure many of them are checking out AEW on Wednesday, where it primarily airs, getting more than their fair share of wrestling, then using the app to watch NXT if they are so inclined the next day or whenever they get a chance.
That's been speculated to likely be the case since it moved to the USA Network. Only problem is that is also meaningless for USA Network if they are not getting those viewers to watch NXT live since that is lost ad money for the network.

USA gave WWE around $50 million total under the assumption it would generate numbers they were doing on Wednesdays and this week was below that number.
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I don't think it's wise they have NXT on the Network so soon after, for the record.
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If they want to do something for the Network on Thursday, do NXT Plus like AEW Dark. Or blatantly start doing a WWE studio show. Take one of the ideas that is working. Maybe just get the talent that aren't drafted and throw them on something. I probably wouldn't watch, but Cesaro vs. Chad Gable in a vacuum is probably better than what either of them is currently doing.
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I don't think it's wise they have NXT on the Network so soon after, for the record.
WWE is pretty much in a lose-lose type situation and all because they rushed NXT to cable tv without planning ahead or thinking of the consequences.

If they increase the delay to something like RAW and Smackdown, that removes a big selling point for the Network since PPV and NXT have been the main drivers of subscriptions. Since WWE executive pay bonuses are now tied into Network viewership numbers, they'd take a big hit in their wallets if subs start to decrease in large numbers just to bail out NXT's tv viewership.

If they do nothing, AEW will continue to have the advantage over NXT even if NXT produces better shows in terms of in-ring quality.
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I think they're in far more control than that. Triple H has been subtly brilliant bringing along NXT. He's not hot-shotting anything. He's letting AEW have their pomp for a few weeks, and then things will get tighter. The one thing he can't do is run bigger venues, because AEW is already doing that and taking up that segment of fan. But when that starts to cool, he can leave Full Sail, if he really wants (he may not want to).

They may not need anything else for the Network. They may not need advertisers if they can get sponsors, and they might be able to secure that by revealing to them the demo that between the USA Network and the WWE Network. They are also still producing Takeovers and When Worlds Collide (to sort of take over from Takeovers on big PPV weekends). And the gap between AEW and NXT might tighten and even switch if AEW cools down and NXT heats up.
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Triple H and NXT itself haven't been subtle at all with how things have been handled since the move to USA Network.

They went extra heavy on in-ring action for the first few weeks thinking AEW was going to do the same only to see the opposite happen. Rushed together a Takeover-caliber card and got an overrun quickly added solely to take the steam out of AEW's debut and saw that plan backfire spectacularly.

Then tried a similar tactic with having another overrun for this week's show and got less in return than last week.

In terms of title belts, they've hotshot 2 title changes since moving to USA and 1 shortly before the move because of what they had planned for the debut when in the past that was a lot more rare and usually happened after feuds were developed and/or fleshed out.

AEW's Dynamite show is a lot closer to what NXT actually was during the Network era than what NXT has been on USA Network.
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SD dropped almost a million less views than last week

That's what happens when you false advertise guys people actually care about.
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2,898,000 viewers, down from last week's 3,869,000

But much higher ratings than any other network show in the "key demos" I guess

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At least people will talk about this more than AEW losing 300k viewers

I am guessing the million viewers who didn't tune back in were like lapsed fans and potential new viewers....bizarre they spent the first eps revolving around people who won't all be on the show on a regular basis.
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They really spent 40 minutes on Becky in ep 1 and put her in the intro and she won't be on the show

Such a Vince thing to do
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That entire week did very little to entice anyone to continue watching if they were tuning in out of interest. They did barely anything to convert people to tune into Hell In A Cell, and if anyone did tune in to that show they were hardly rewarded.

I split the Network with a friend, it costs me £5 a month, it still feels like too much.
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Wouldn't be surprised if next week was in the 2.5 million range since last night's show was not that interesting overall and WWE did a poor job handling the Draft.


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Worst part is FOX had the chance to keep Becky on Smackdown since WWE gave both networks their roster list to see if they were ok with it and if any changes needed to be made. FOX decided to do nothing despite demanding Becky as one of the top stars for their brand leading to the SD's move to the network.
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It makes sense that Lynch and Rollins would have to stay on the same brand, so they prob had a choice between Rollins or Reigns and picked Reigns
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Triple H and NXT itself haven't been subtle at all with how things have been handled since the move to USA Network.

They went extra heavy on in-ring action for the first few weeks thinking AEW was going to do the same only to see the opposite happen. Rushed together a Takeover-caliber card and got an overrun quickly added solely to take the steam out of AEW's debut and saw that plan backfire spectacularly.

Then tried a similar tactic with having another overrun for this week's show and got less in return than last week.

In terms of title belts, they've hotshot 2 title changes since moving to USA and 1 shortly before the move because of what they had planned for the debut when in the past that was a lot more rare and usually happened after feuds were developed and/or fleshed out.

AEW's Dynamite show is a lot closer to what NXT actually was during the Network era than what NXT has been on USA Network.
Completely disagree. I think that’s how Meltzer’s telling it, but he wants AEW to succeed and look better as much as anyone.

NXT has always been heavy on the in-ring, and they were always going to put on a stacked show opposite AEW. The card was actually pretty predictable, minus Strong vs. Dream happening earlier. But they have a Takeover card developing anyway.

Overruns are a classic move, and an obvious thing to do. I don’t think it “backfired” at all. Just because it didn’t win them the night or anything doesn’t mean it’s even a failure, let alone a reversal of fate.

I don’t think moving two belts is the definition of hot-shotting. Especially when talking about the CW and NA. They’ve also kept the NXT and Women’s right where they are.

Outside the brawl at the end of episode one, have we even seen an angle? We haven’t seen a turn. Balor is back down there, but the place isn’t crawling with main roster stars like Meltzer suspected it would be.

Triple H is letting AEW have their catwalk for a little while, because they were always going to get it. The big stuff is going to happen after AEW cools off.
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NXT has always been heavy on the in-ring, and they were always going to put on a stacked show opposite AEW. The card was actually pretty predictable, minus Strong vs. Dream happening earlier. But they have a Takeover card developing anyway ...

I don’t think moving two belts is the definition of hot-shotting. Especially when talking about the CW and NA. They’ve also kept the NXT and Women’s right where they are.
Yes for TakeOvers but weekly tv rarely was like its been the past 4 weeks on USA Network. Way more often than not you'd get one big match or on rare occasions two big matches and the rest of the time spent moving along storylines or building new stuff. On some occasions you'd get a high profile match that would have been Takeover worthy in terms of status. First three weeks of NXT on USA was basically a roided up version of Network era NXT and last week being closer to normal but still leaning wrestling-heavy.

They literally put a WWE-like effort on the build for the Cruiser title change and rushed Strong's title win solely so they could lazily have the storyline of Undisputed Era holding all the gold be done on week 1.
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Yes for TakeOvers but weekly tv rarely was like its been the past 4 weeks on USA Network. Way more often than not you'd get one big match or on rare occasions two big matches and the rest of the time spent moving along storylines or building new stuff. On some occasions you'd get a high profile match that would have been Takeover worthy in terms of status. First three weeks of NXT on USA was basically a roided up version of Network era NXT and last week being closer to normal but still leaning wrestling-heavy.

They literally put a WWE-like effort on the build for the Cruiser title change and rushed Strong's title win solely so they could lazily have the storyline of Undisputed Era holding all the gold be done on week 1.
Oh, you're right about the first part. That was always going to be the case when they moved to USA. I'm not suggesting that they are slumming it, but there's this myth around places that Triple H is really sweating this thing. He's letting AEW tire themselves out before going for the KO.

I actually thought they would do Dream vs. Strong on the third episode. But I don't think it was surprising or rushed.
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Oh, you're right about the first part. That was always going to be the case when they moved to USA. I'm not suggesting that they are slumming it, but there's this myth around places that Triple H is really sweating this thing. He's letting AEW tire themselves out before going for the KO.

I actually thought they would do Dream vs. Strong on the third episode. But I don't think it was surprising or rushed.
Of course he's not sweating it. That's just as dumb as saying Vince is sweating anything. They're not going to lose their jobs or their salaries, etc. The fact that they're truly changing anything and can't really beat out their competition is telling though.

The issue isn't whether WWE can survive. WWE is basically too big to fail at this point. They're not going anywhere. AEW is the one who has all the pressure and will continue to do so.

That doesn't make WWE's product better though, because it's not. WWE's product is simply there because the money and name allows it to be. That doesn't equal quality, and in fact it's actually usually trash overall. That's something many folks and especially those in WWE just either don't get or refuse to accept or acknowledge, for whatever reason.
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In a way not surprised it dropped. Combo of last week's episode being really abysmal and Friday's Draft show did a terrible job maintaining the hype for Monday's show.

1st hour was stronger than last week and 2nd hour was almost the same but any gains got trashed because of another instance of 3rd hour doing more damage than help for RAW.
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Of course he's not sweating it. That's just as dumb as saying Vince is sweating anything. They're not going to lose their jobs or their salaries, etc. The fact that they're truly changing anything and can't really beat out their competition is telling though.

The issue isn't whether WWE can survive. WWE is basically too big to fail at this point. They're not going anywhere. AEW is the one who has all the pressure and will continue to do so.

That doesn't make WWE's product better though, because it's not. WWE's product is simply there because the money and name allows it to be. That doesn't equal quality, and in fact it's actually usually trash overall. That's something many folks and especially those in WWE just either don't get or refuse to accept or acknowledge, for whatever reason.
AEW is going to fizzle hard, and I think they all know it. They’re waiting. No one expected them to beat AEW for the first few weeks (in the USA vs. TNT battle anyway). They’re not going to bring out their big guns. It’s why the promotion for them on Raw has been weak too. They want to leave “the machine” out of these early defeats.

It’s got nothing to do with quality. It’s the size of the moves. NXT has been making small moves, whereas AEW is going pretty hard.
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AEW is going to fizzle hard, and I think they all know it. They’re waiting. No one expected them to beat AEW for the first few weeks (in the USA vs. TNT battle anyway). They’re not going to bring out their big guns. It’s why the promotion for them on Raw has been weak too. They want to leave “the machine” out of these early defeats.

It’s got nothing to do with quality. It’s the size of the moves. NXT has been making small moves, whereas AEW is going pretty hard.
So, you don't actually dispute anything I said, but come to the conclusion that AEW is going to eventually bomb because you're assuming AEW has been trying harder than NXT and NXT hasn't? If that's the case, then based on $ to spend on potential bigger moves, then of course NXT is going to win by default. Again, that doesn't make NXT better quality or more interesting in terms of content, it just means they have more potential resources to crush AEW. Congrats to NXT for not actually having to be as creative or work as hard, I guess. If that's what you want to see, what is essentially more of the same crap that is ultimately meaningless, okay then. Keep ultimately supporting Vince I guess.
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So, you don't actually dispute anything I said, but come to the conclusion that AEW is going to eventually bomb because you're assuming AEW has been trying harder than NXT and NXT hasn't? If that's the case, then based on $ to spend on potential bigger moves, then of course NXT is going to win by default. Again, that doesn't make NXT better quality or more interesting in terms of content, it just means they have more potential resources to crush AEW. Congrats to NXT for not actually having to be as creative or work as hard, I guess. If that's what you want to see, what is essentially more of the same crap that is ultimately meaningless, okay then. Keep ultimately supporting Vince I guess.
I'm not making a statement for or against them, honestly. I truthfully do enjoy NXT a bit more, because AEW's got worse stuff on the bottom that irritates me more than NXT. I don't think that the NXT shows have necessarily been bad by any stretch though.

AEW is shooting through a lot more is my point. They can only end with a brawl so many times. They can only run Jericho vs. Cody for the first time once. The freshness is eventually going to wear off and they're going to have to be honest-to-god good, which is going to get dicey once you get past the main event stuff.

In my opinion, NXT would be foolish to hammer out their best shit now. The hardcore fans are still going to watch AEW live and at best DVR NXT or watch it on the Network the next day. At least for now. When AEW starts to cool, that's when you can do your big feud for Ciampa as champion -- whether that be something very subtlely set up in the background with Matt Riddle, or a big program with a main roster star -- fuck, it wouldn't shock me if they roped in Cena to do some NXT appearances instead of main roster ones to give them a boost. But you do this after AEW has cooled and the narrative isn't necessarily going to be "Oh man! That shitty WWE pumping up NXT against AEW! Boo!"

How you feel about it is fine. If AEW cools off and doesn't have that top dollar bargaining power because it's just not as viable as WWE, then it's bad for everyone. I don't want that, even if I were predicting it. But I'm just not on-board with this idea spread by Meltzer and lots of people on the internet that NXT is getting its ass kicked even though they're trying so hard and putting all their resources in lolololol yay.

WWE are the heels. I get that. It's fun to cheer against them. But I think as we head out of Full Gear and into 2020, the story as to who is trouncing who every night changes. That's just my prediction. I haven't gotten the feeling that Triple H is going hard at this at all. To the contrary, all his moves have been relatively measured, especially considering AEW has more wriggle-room right now (getting to the bigger venues, being the "it" promotion, etc.).
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