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Old 05-01-2019, 10:13 AM   #121
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lol Noid labelling the only 2 posters that like him as the best posters. Funny how that works.

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Old 05-01-2019, 10:16 AM   #122
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Feel like Noid is deliberately not saying he likes me to hurt my feelings.

Which is mean...
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Old 05-01-2019, 04:34 PM   #123
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Feel like Noid is deliberately not saying he likes me to hurt my feelings.

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You’re the one who started the whole thing. I’m responding to people who say they like me. You call yourself “One Ball,” well try and follow it bouncing along.
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Old 05-01-2019, 04:37 PM   #124
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Noid displaying that versatile sense of humor he's so well-known for.
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Old 05-01-2019, 04:39 PM   #125
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And I’m getting weird acts way more clever than they are vibes from you, which is annoying. You’re also trying to act like a top dog without any merit behind it. So nah, I’m not sold on you. If you have useful stuff to add to a discussion, cool, since that’s what I come here for. Don’t really care if I like you or not, lol. But since you seem so hung up on it, I’ll give you my opinion.
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:17 PM   #126
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You’re the one who started the whole thing. I’m responding to people who say they like me. You call yourself “One Ball,” well try and follow it bouncing along.
That's not how testes operate.
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Old 05-02-2019, 05:16 PM   #127
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They usually operate on your chin and forehead, bopping off them repeatedly propelled by a squatting motion.
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:59 PM   #128
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Yeah but in fairness I was trying to suck my own dick.

You always leave that part out.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:35 PM   #129
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Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:58 AM   #130
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Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.
The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf.

I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:02 AM   #131
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I would have loved it if Raven had hired a decent wrestler in his place.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:24 AM   #132
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Raven had a good run from ECW thru 1998/Beverly Hills Raven angle.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:26 AM   #133
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:30 AM   #134
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Rarely do I laugh out loud when reading posts, but this made me.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:08 PM   #135
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The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf.

I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.
It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:40 PM   #136
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Don't they call it No Escape in Germany? I've always thought that sounds just as bad.

Can't recall if they also had an alternate name for No Way Out in Germany or not, since that also seems real bad.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:42 PM   #137
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It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.
Yup, it just amazes me how they've been allowed to get away with this for so long, i'd love to see it challenged in court and WWE come out on the losing side. It's been the Elephant in the room for decades and it's still never really been challenged properly.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:16 PM   #138
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Someone needs to give the miserable talent being hoarded the idea to challenge the independent contractor thing. The Revival, Sasha Banks, Luke Harper, etc.
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Old 05-04-2019, 01:28 AM   #139
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Someone needs to give the miserable talent being hoarded the idea to challenge the independent contractor thing. The Revival, Sasha Banks, Luke Harper, etc.
They just need to not care about the consequences. Brock Lesnar told Vince to stick his no compete clause up his ass because he knew it wasn't enforceable and the only thing WWE could do was run up his legal bill.

What's great is Brock said fuck it, paid the legal bill, won, and now has made back the money WWE cost him 30 times over.

All the wrestlers who genuinely bitch about Brocks contract are idiots. That dude has had Vince by the balls from day one, and it makes me happy knowing he flat out refuses to play any of their bullying games, and because of that he rakes in Vinces cash like no other person has in 40 years.
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:24 AM   #140
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Brock Lesnar is a brand based on more than image alone. Vince can't control that and has an ugly history of attempting to take a piece of the action when it comes to guys who bring in their own revenue.
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:34 AM   #141
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I just wonder how they keep letting themselves be roped into these stupid contracts part of me wants to say you guys are dumb enough to sign them then you get everything you deserve the other part of me goes you guys are f****** idiots to not see that that contract is complete b******* you don't even have to need a lawyer to see how messed up and one sided it is
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:02 PM   #142
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I hope talent now ask for an out clause.
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Brock Lesnar is a brand based on more than image alone. Vince can't control that and has an ugly history of attempting to take a piece of the action when it comes to guys who bring in their own revenue.
That being said, I did have a good laugh upon hearing that he was supposed to return to UFC only to try to demand some outrageous amount of money for his fight he was to have and now he might be done. Good. Screw him.
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What’s wrong with Brock wanting to get paid?
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:00 PM   #145
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Yeah. If he needed the money, he would have brought his price down to meet them. But he doesn’t. So he can just let Vince pay him a disgusting amount of money to work 5 minutes every couple months because he made himself a star. Good for him.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:30 PM   #146
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People who say Brock is only in it for the money at this point confuse me. He must have more money than the US government, at this point. I’m sure being paid is nice, but I think Brock’s way past the point where he has to do it.
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Old 05-04-2019, 11:49 PM   #147
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What’s wrong with Brock wanting to get paid?
You missed my point (r/woosh). I have no problem with him getting paid, but it sounds to me like he was probably valuing himself at way more than what they were willing to offer him.

If I was in his situation, and I was offered 7 figures, and I thought it was a lowball offer, sure, I might counter-offer but I'm not going to demand, say 8 or 9 figures just because I think I deserve it.

I don't have the full facts of what happened, but it's easy to see based on what reporting was done, where some people (admittedly, myself included) would think he probably acted like an entitled brat and then threw a hissy fit and threatened to never fight for UFC again. I hope to be proven wrong, but unless I am, I stand by my opinion.
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People who say Brock is only in it for the money at this point confuse me. He must have more money than the US government, at this point. I’m sure being paid is nice, but I think Brock’s way past the point where he has to do it.
News flash, every citizen, even those in debt, in the US, have more money than our government. In case you hadn't heard, the government is in debt to the tune of nearly $22 trillion.
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You missed my point (r/woosh). I have no problem with him getting paid, but it sounds to me like he was probably valuing himself at way more than what they were willing to offer him.

If I was in his situation, and I was offered 7 figures, and I thought it was a lowball offer, sure, I might counter-offer but I'm not going to demand, say 8 or 9 figures just because I think I deserve it.

I don't have the full facts of what happened, but it's easy to see based on what reporting was done, where some people (admittedly, myself included) would think he probably acted like an entitled brat and then threw a hissy fit and threatened to never fight for UFC again. I hope to be proven wrong, but unless I am, I stand by my opinion.
And you missed our points. Woosh. He set a price, they weren't willing to meet it, he said that he was not going to fight then. The UFC just signed a giant new deal with ESPN and apparently there is a change in how they are paying, and he wanted to make coin if he was going to do it. The guy's not obligated to fight for whatever chump change Dana White wants to throw at him, lol. He set a price -- he's entitled to do so. I doubt either Brock nor Dana are losing sleep over this.

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News flash, every citizen, even those in debt, in the US, have more money than our government. In case you hadn't heard, the government is in debt to the tune of nearly $22 trillion.
It's an expression, hombre. $22 trillion to play with is more than most banks will lend the average citizen.
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It's a debt, "hombre". They're not playing with house money no matter how much it might seem like it. It's literally money the government owes to its coffers just to get out of the red.
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Jesus Christ, I wasn't being literal, DAMN.
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It's an expression. When you call someone "the dog's breakfast," they're not really the dog's breakfast.
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It's an expression. When you call someone "the dog's breakfast," they're not really the dog's breakfast.
Well that's a weird expression and certainly one I've never heard, but C'est la vie or Que sera, sera or whatever. Sorry for interrupting the "adults" talking. Carry on.
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That being said, I did have a good laugh upon hearing that he was supposed to return to UFC only to try to demand some outrageous amount of money for his fight he was to have and now he might be done. Good. Screw him.
UFC in general tremendously underpays their fighters. Floyd Mayweather can make $200 million for one fight, but UFC payouts are like $3 million top level.

The issue is UFC is like WWE now, their deal with ESPN means their PPV buyrates are far lower, so a guy like Lesnar might have got a guaranteed purse or a million, plus a percentage of PPV money. Now with traditional PPV down, Brock asked for a higher guarantee to make up the difference, but Dana White isn't going to inflate the purses for anybody or he will have to do it for everybody.
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Was gonna say I thought I heard UFC got a guaranteed deal and don't necessarily need to worry as much about buy rates because they now get a flat payout or something like that, so having to pay up the ass for a legit draw like Lesnar isn't necessarily needed anymore.

Nobody loses. If UFC is healthy and stable enough to the point that they don't need to pay Lesnar his rate and Brock is obvs stable enough to only fight if the money's right, then it's really no big deal for either camp.

The one who's really getting fucked is Vince. He's paying out the ass to use Lesnar 5 to 10 times a year and his company isn't really better off for it. Lesnar, thru no fault of his own, certainly hasn't made anyone.
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Brock Lesnar doesn't want to fight for less than his retirement would cost. He is a good businessman.
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He has a price and he doesn't negotiate. He's brilliant really.
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