WWE releases Enzo Amore

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OKAY..it’s been long enough &amp; I have been so so scared to share this. I was raped in mid October by the WWE Enzo Amore (also known as Eric Arden) &amp; Tyler Grosso &amp; TOOPOOR let it happen as accomplices. I was in a mental hospital for 45 days after it. They ARE NOT good people. <a href="https://t.co/VhyG6oaDwg">pic.twitter.com/VhyG6oaDwg</a></p>&mdash; philomena (@missgucciwitch) <a href="https://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955496170414985216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Frank Drebin]

Hmmmm....if it wasn't broken by babe.net, the new journalistic capital of the internet, I have to question the authenticity of this.

[Heisenberg]

They just suspended him, per Prowrestlingsheet

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

For fuck sake

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Remember dont go to the police. Definitely go to Twitter instead.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also.... I have no actualy opinion on enzos guilt. I am not saying she is lying. But come on. These are serious charges. Fucking metoo bullshit

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn.

... What a heel.

[Evil Vito]

It's difficult for people to come forward, particularly when the alleged rapist is in the public eye.

WWE made the right call to suspend him with pay until the matter is investigated. That's all they can do, really.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I find something so abhorrant about posting your rape story on your twitter.

I am happy she at least went to the police.

[TSI]

what a shit storm. Its tough to have an opinion really

[owenbrown]

I mean this is horrible whether or not it's true, but moving forward, what will this mean for the Crusierweight title?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean this is horrible whether or not it's true, but moving forward, what will this mean for the Crusierweight title?

Lul Owen with the important questions.

[Evil Vito]

They'll put the belt on Hideo Itami or something, screwing over Cedric yet again.

[A.J.K]

WWE just tweeted his suspension

[Lock Jaw]

She should have yelled "AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT!"

[Volare]

Enzo should know, no one chases rats anymore.

[Shisen Kopf]

What's Captain Rape doing in the impact zone?

[Emperor Smeat]

In a way, not surprised considering one of the biggest complaints in the WWE about him was how he liked to hang around bad people and do really stupid stuff.

Liv Morgan pretty much dumped him the month before because he kept cheating on her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hard to comment on these things. Statistically false claims are rare. People often don't go to police because they're not always helpful and because this shit does mess with your compass. The fact her life seems like a mess makes her more susceptible to this sort of shit, yet people are going to talk about her credibility. Just a gross mess.

Glad it's being treated seriously by WWE and by Phoenix police, to be honest. Apparently timelines match up and there is DNA involved. It's probably going to come down to he said/she said, in which case who knows what evidence will be there. If she was in a mental hospital following it and there were outcry claims, it might help weigh her case, and maybe the others flip and confirm the statements of aggression Enzo was allegedly making.

Just fucking gross.

[Vastardikai]

WWE has a habit of making punishment angles based on shoot nonsense.

To which I bring up Enzo and Lana, not to mention that bucket of chicken...

[owenbrown]

If this whole allegation is true then Enzo has to be done in WWE.

[#1-norm-fan]

My bullshit detector goes off a bit when she talks about how they got her fucked up on a ton of drugs. Then later she says she "was drugged".

Taking a bunch of drugs someone gave you and "being drugged" are not the same thing. Instantly makes it sound like she's going full attention whore. Don't try to make people feel sorry for you because you decided to do a shitload of drugs. Makes you seem less credible from the get-go.

[Destor]

Well if some girl on tiwtter says it...

[Sixx]

Guy is like 60 pounds wet and wearing boots (yes, I'm quoting Eazy E). He couldn't rape a chicken.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well if some girl on tiwtter says it...

It's true at least 90% of the time?

[#1-norm-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BTW the treatment stay was supposed to be 45 days long but I started using my roommates phone around day 20 to get on social media &amp; I left the center against medical advice around 26 days</p>&mdash; philomena (@missgucciwitch) <a href="https://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955585893959528448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Already changing her story. Seems suspicious...

[#1-norm-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I just got cocaine in my eye &amp; im gonna die?</p>&mdash; philomena (@missgucciwitch) <a href="https://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955464935693107200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Someone drugged her 9 hours ago, too. Poor girl.

[Sixx]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BTW the treatment stay was supposed to be 45 days long but I started using my roommates phone around day 20 to get on social media &amp; I left the center against medical advice around 26 days</p>&mdash; philomena (@missgucciwitch) <a href="https://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955585893959528448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Already changing her story. Seems suspicious...

Cause she's full of shit. I'm not even defending Enzo, cause I don't like the twat, but this is bullshit.

[#1-norm-fan]

I do choose to believe that part where he said "I have over a million Instagram followers. You should be begging for this dick." though because Goddammit, that is such an Enzo Amore thing to say in a non-PG situation. #LiveTheGimmick

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's true at least 90% of the time?

1/10 people lying about being raped is pretty awful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Idiots, liars and the mentally fried can be raped too. Just keep that in mind when you go after a woman's credibility based on poorly written social media posts personal life choices. It seems like Enzo was in Phoenix when she alleges, DNA has been recovered (which seems the oddest thing of all about it, to be honest) and the alleged accomplices seem to support that something happened, even if it's not what this woman is claiming.

There's smoke to this. Doesn't necessarily mean there's fire, but the WWE have done the right thing pending investigation. I'm sure her admission to the mental hospital will be checked on. 20 days, 26 days, 45 days -- they'd be a record to see if something happened to her and what she was telling case workers. Even that wouldn't dismiss her claims, but it could go a long way to supporting them.

Anyway, talking about this stuff makes me sick. I'm out of this thread, as I don't want to lose respect for anyone who calls her a "lying whore" because she posts pictures of her ass on Instagram or whatever comes next. If Enzo did it, I hope he gets ousted and faces the appropriate repercussions. If he didn't, I hope that comes to light too. They say you can't prove innocence, but certain things are incompatible with guilt.

[KIRA]

He's gonna be the realest guy in the courtroom.

[Volare]

Rats be rattin.

[Vastardikai]

Also, I love how the WWE's Raw 25 clip for today was the Triple H/Steph wedding.

[Volare]

Kind of ironic there was a lengthy thread of who'd be first, and this happens.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Idiots, liars and the mentally fried can be raped too. Just keep that in mind when you go after a woman's credibility based on poorly written social media posts personal life choices. It seems like Enzo was in Phoenix when she alleges, DNA has been recovered (which seems the oddest thing of all about it, to be honest) and the alleged accomplices seem to support that something happened, even if it's not what this woman is claiming.

There's smoke to this. Doesn't necessarily mean there's fire, but the WWE have done the right thing pending investigation. I'm sure her admission to the mental hospital will be checked on. 20 days, 26 days, 45 days -- they'd be a record to see if something happened to her and what she was telling case workers. Even that wouldn't dismiss her claims, but it could go a long way to supporting them.

Anyway, talking about this stuff makes me sick. I'm out of this thread, as I don't want to lose respect for anyone who calls her a "lying whore" because she posts pictures of her ass on Instagram or whatever comes next. If Enzo did it, I hope he gets ousted and faces the appropriate repercussions. If he didn't, I hope that comes to light too. They say you can't prove innocence, but certain things are incompatible with guilt.

I agree that someone awful can be raped as well. I don't "NOT" believe her as I already said. But I can still find her actions questionable. I understand that she is (allegedly) the victim, but holy shit, going on Twitter and doing this shit isn't doing yourself any favours. It certainly raises questions.

As I said, I'm happy she's at least gone to the police, so due process may run its course.

[My Final Heaven]

She should have yelled "AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT!"

She should've brought her brother with her to the hotel room, 'cause HE'S SEVEN FOOT TALL

[Sixx]

Hm, then again, if she was lying, why would she choose Enzo? That's pretty lame.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1/10 people lying about being raped is pretty awful.

Even worse is over 9/10 telling the truth and every single one of them being accused of being that 1 because it makes boys feel uncomfortable to admit that this shit happens to people a lot, and that the "Hmm, well, how about this..." actually makes it harder for women, and men for that matter, to come forward about this shit, making the waters even murkier.

[KIRA]

I dunno about the other stuff but Enzo seems like the type to go around loudly proclaiming he has money and listing that as the reason some random lady needs to blow him.

[#1-norm-fan]

Idiots, liars and the mentally fried can be raped too. Just keep that in mind when you go after a woman's credibility based on poorly written social media posts personal life choices.

Some personal life choices an social media posts DO damage her credibility though. She could have been raped. When you make the claim though, it doesn't automatically mean "now prove me wrong". And when you change your story/say things like "I was drugged" because you decided to take drugs you instantly dig a hole for yourself. Just say what actually fucking happened and don't embellish, lie and add "woe is me" shit that just isn't true. If she got raped, the truth should be enough on it's own.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kind of ironic there was a lengthy thread of who'd be first, and this happens.

It was bound to happen at some point. I'm surprised that no one else has been more heavily accused and that multiple cases haven't been mounted against a particular wrestling personality. I'm also surprised that Vince's alleged indiscretions in tanning salons and limousines haven't been brought back out into public.

But anyway, I'm out of this thread. I'll let justice take it course. People turn really gross when women say "he hurt me." Don't find the need to deal with it, to be honest.

[rez]

fuck enzo

i'm just pissed about the character assassination of Aziz Ansari.

[Frank Drebin]

Does Lena Dunham have any inside info on this one? We need to hear what she thinks.

[#1-norm-fan]

I dunno about the other stuff but Enzo seems like the type to go around loudly proclaiming he has money and listing that as the reason some random lady needs to blow him.

Not even money. Instagram followers. lol

[rez]

bunch of racist metoo fools

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. People are awful. Many of them being capable of rape...just like many of them are capable of lying about being raped.

I legit have no horse in this race. Don't care about Enzo, he's just some guy on T.V. But due process is a thing that exists, and rampantly posting about getting raped on Twitter is just fucked up. As she is (allegedly) the victim, I get she's likely erratic, and not thinking clearly but jesus fucking christ.

I strongly believe in due process. It's greatly flawed, but the court of public opinion is the worse of the two. @Noid

[Sixx]

Damn, I'd say Triple H raped me, there's more money in that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some personal life choices an social media posts DO damage her credibility though. She could have been raped. When you make the claim though, it doesn't automatically mean "now prove me wrong". And when you change your story/say things like "I was drugged" because you decided to take drugs you instantly dig a hole for yourself. Just say what actually fucking happened and don't embellish, lie and add "woe is me" shit that just isn't true. If she got raped, the truth should be enough on it's own.

Personal life choices and social media posts make her a ripe candidate for a dude who is going to think of her as trash too. Believe it or not, you can tell a lie for every day of your life and then still get forced to have sex against your will. I don't think anyone is saying "now prove me wrong," people have just taken it upon themselves to do that based on her public profile. What the police investigation will do is look at the DNA and other evidence, examine the stories of the alleged accomplices and see what falls out.

I'm not saying Enzo did it. I'm saying that it's statistically unlikely that she's lying (all things being equal), and her being a drug addict doesn't have anything to do with that. The truth should be enough on its own, but you have legal systems and people on the internet who want to tear it all apart because women be lying whores.

Wait and see how this shakes out. Enzo will probably get away with it, because he'll just say "Nah, she was into it," and it's her word from that moment against his, and there's not enough evidence there to convict. But if it comes out as valid, just maybe keep it in mind the next time a woman who seems like she might be a piece of shit to you says someone treated me like one. I'm not saying be gullible or naive, but you can treat these things with gravity.

[Emperor Smeat]

1/10 people lying about being raped is pretty awful.

Number itself is dwarfed by the sheer amount that doesn't get reported at all. Even the 9 out of 10 being real incidents is dwarfed by how much doesn't get reported or investigated enough by police.

RAINN had a stat that out of 1000 rape incidents, 30% actually get reported as a best case and like 11 cases will actually manage to reach the courts.

https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_Rapes%20122016.png

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm not saying her being a drug addict makes her less credible. I'm saying her taking a bunch of drugs because that's what she does and then when it's convenient to villainize someone saying "OMG I WAS DRUGGED" does. If she actually got raped, doing clear things that point to "lying drama queen" is insanely stupid and obviously makes her less credible. If she had just said she did a lot of drugs before it happened, alright. That sucks but she wouldn't suddenly be at fault for being raped because she chose to do too many drugs. The fact that she simply does drugs is irrelevant. The only reason I posted that "cocaine in my eye" tweet earlier was to make fun of her "I was drugged" claim.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. People are awful. Many of them being capable of rape...just like many of them are capable of lying about being raped.

I legit have no horse in this race. Don't care about Enzo, he's just some guy on T.V. But due process is a thing that exists, and rampantly posting about getting raped on Twitter is just fucked up. As she is (allegedly) the victim, I get she's likely erratic, and not thinking clearly but jesus fucking christ.

I strongly believe in due process. It's greatly flawed, but the court of public opinion is the worse of the two. @Noid

More are capable of rape than lying about rape. People don't really wrap their heads around that, like complex maths problems. If you rank rape as being worse than telling a lie about it, then just think about how awful the world is when the worse thing happens more. And these are only the ones that are reported. It's a bit of a mind-fuck, really.

Yeah, due process exists, and I don't think anyone is saying skip that? It always goes there when people take someone's (likely) claim that something is true and then states "That's fucked up and if it's true they should face consequences." Like, why respond to that with "but due process is a thing?" Yeah, that's what people are calling for. It's just a shame that it hasn't really caught up to the crimes in many fields (not just sexual assault).

I don't think I'm in a position to judge someone on how they respond to that sort of thing. People go back to their attackers willingly in attempts to gain "control" back. People abuse other people. They turn to drugs, prostitution, god or kill themselves. It's not as simple as picking out a pathway of how someone is supposed to react to that and then saying one that is more self-destructive or seemingly damaging is definitively an inappropriate reaction to something inappropriate and sometimes not always quantifiable. I think it is a dumb thing to do, but she is as much the subject of the court of public opinion now. And the thing is, the real court is still the one that holds weight.

If Enzo did not do this, it is far more likely it will come out that she is making it up than it is she is making it up. Let's just see how due process goes before we start appealing to due process.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Number itself is dwarfed by the sheer amount that doesn't get reported at all. Even the 9 out of 10 being real incidents is dwarfed by how much doesn't get reported or investigated enough by police.

RAINN had a stat that out of 1000 rape incidents, 30% actually get reported as a best case and like 11 cases will actually manage to reach the courts.

https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_Rapes%20122016.png

There is no doubt the system is broken. Relying on the court of public opinion is no way to fix it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not saying her being a drug addict makes her less credible. I'm saying her taking a bunch of drugs because that's what she does and then when it's convenient to villainize someone saying "OMG I WAS DRUGGED" does. If she actually got raped, doing clear things that point to "lying drama queen" is insanely stupid and obviously makes her less credible. The fact that she simply does drugs is irrelevant. The only reason I posted that "cocaine in my eye" tweet earlier was to make fun of her "I was drugged" claim.

I just want to state I am not attacking you. I get what you mean, and I used to think like this once upon a time. I can't explain it, but it's just like a different language to me now. I think I'll just say that you saying acting like a "lying drama queen" is subjective. Like, of course she looks like that to you, but that doesn't mean that's her intention or how she thinks she looks. I don't think you mean to say that, but what you're requiring from her is a fashioned persona of respectability and integrity before she says "I was in a situation where I took substances; I thought I was safe -- I was not."

I understand the impulse to look at people's stories and rip apart inconsistencies. And in a dark way, the mess this world can be is hilarious, so I'm not even mocking sardonic tones and such. I just think the WWE and Phoenix police are taking the right approach by taking it seriously.

[Destor]

Even worse is over 9/10 telling the truth and every single one of them being accused of being that 1 because it makes boys feel uncomfortable to admit that this shit happens to people a lot, and that the "Hmm, well, how about this..." actually makes it harder for women, and men for that matter, to come forward about this shit, making the waters even murkier.

Words arent proof, and i dont want to live in a world where proving yourself innocent is the norm. The accused gets the benifit not the accuser.

[Destor]

We are literally taking tweets as fact. Think about that

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is no doubt the system is broken. Relying on the court of public opinion is no way to fix it.

I don't think that's a fair assessment of what the trade-off is, though. I don't think anyone is saying throw out the broken system and let's just burn the accused witches. The idea that people believe women is still a relatively fresh concept in the public arena, and you certainly see on the internet how people are still very quick to try and drill holes where they can, like stories are supposed to be perfect.

I think we agree that the system sucks, and that relying on people, who are largely stupid, is no fix. And I've taken the bait and started talking about public opinion instead of the point, which is that these things just aren't made up that often, and the only unreported accounts are true accounts (because a false account never happened, therefore it's not unreported). More so than the court of public opinion, we're entering a period where now when a woman comes forward, authorities are going to be more likely to believe them, because they know these stats.

And while I'm not a big fan on the court of public opinion, I am a big fan of using your money to hurt these guys with power who throw it around. Not relevant to Enzo, but I love it that businesses feel like they have to take these things seriously otherwise it will affect their bottom-dollar.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

More are capable of rape than lying about rape. People don't really wrap their heads around that, like complex maths problems. If you rank rape as being worse than telling a lie about it, then just think about how awful the world is when the worse thing happens more. And these are only the ones that are reported. It's a bit of a mind-fuck, really.



What is there to wrap my head around? I understand what you're saying. I take these allegations very seriously. I simply have a different perspective and don't take what the HuffPost tells me to believe to heart. I also don't stand on a moral high ground when discussing these issues. Realistically Noid, I can have whatever fucking opinion I want about these issues, as long as I'm not actually raping people.

But the main thing is, because these turn into he-said-she-said muck raking situations, the court of public opinion takes over and deems people guilty, when really we'll never know. Which is why SOME people are very resistant to the guilty until proven innocent pitchfork mentality plaguing enough of the population

It's a difficult subject to discuss. A family member was molested by her doctor as a 12-year-old. She didn't come forward sadly, but she also was a poor Jewish girl in South Africa during Apartheid, so she wasn't exactly empowered.

As I said, I'm happy this girl reported it to the police. But sensationalizing something this serious via Twitter is at the very least a damning indictment on society.

[rez]

Save Aziz

[Mr. Nerfect]

We are literally taking tweets as fact. Think about that

That's not true.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE is definitely taking the right approach though. I agree there. From a PR standpoint, you just can't have him on TV while this is going on like nothing happened. If it turns out to be false then it sucks that it cost Enzo a little but the pros outweigh the cons.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Agree w/fan.

The other problem too, is if Enzo is guilty, I can't see these twitter tactics helping her in the courtroom... which would actually suck. I could be wrong.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's not true.

But it is true. You may be a reasonable person Noidster, but you aren't part of the frothing mob.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Words arent proof, and i dont want to live in a world where proving yourself innocent is the norm. The accused gets the benifit not the accuser.

No, the proof will be the proof. Enzo has been suspended pending investigation; not criminally prosecuted. If there is sufficient evidence to charge him, he will be put on trial in a court of law, where he will need to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He'll probably get away even if he did do it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Agree w/fan.

The other problem too, is if Enzo is guilty, I can't see these twitter tactics helping her in the courtroom... which would actually suck. I could be wrong.

A woman's past sexual history, at least until very recently (not sure if this has changed), could be used against her in a courtroom. Apparently having sex with A and B and C means you'd automatically have sex with D and E and F, no matter how gross they are.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So what you're saying Noid... is if Neville "gets off", you will likely think he is a rapist?

I'm kind of putting words in your mouth, but that's what I can infer from you saying "He'll probably get away with it if he did do it".

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE is definitely taking the right approach though. I agree there. From a PR standpoint, you just can't have him on TV while this is going on like nothing happened. If it turns out to be false then it sucks that it cost Enzo a little but the pros outweigh the cons.

Agree with this.

I mean, they fired Emma for shoplifting. Well, let's pretend it was because of that and not because they didn't care for her.

[Sixx]

Ummm, what was she expecting doing drugs and going to the hotel room with him? I'm not saying that if he did it it's ok, but seriously what was she expecting other than sex?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So what you're saying Noid... is if Neville "gets off", you will likely think he is a rapist?

I'm kind of putting words in your mouth, but that's what I can infer from you saying "He'll probably get away with it if he did do it".

Hahaha, no. And I think you do know this, hence why you said the point about putting words in my mouth, but I wouldn't be effectively busting your chops if I didn't point out that was ridiculous. :p

What I'm saying is that if Enzo did do it, it's probably going to come down to his word against hers (just from what is out about the story), with him saying his DNA being deposited was consensual. It'll probably turn into he said/she said, which is not going to work in her favor.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ummm, what was she expecting doing drugs and going to the hotel room with him? I'm not saying that if he did it it's ok, but seriously what was she expecting other than sex?

To get high, most likely.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This is the problem with rape cases. V hard to find the truth.

[Savio]

Hm, then again, if she was lying, why would she choose Enzo? That's pretty lame.

I mean if she did meet up with him that's why.

[Volare]

This whole drugs thing is throwing me off....I mean besides drug tests and all that, unless they were "fed" to her....know what I'm getting at?

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is the problem with rape cases. V hard to find the truth.

That's true. That's why I think the best course of action is to take them seriously, even with a reputable accused and "less than reputable" accuser and let authorities investigate and find out if there is any truth to it. Work out if they were in the same place, if there are any witnesses, if there is any corroborating evidence and go from there. That seems to be the route it is going.

I don't think her going onto social media has been helpful to her or anyone. Especially at this stage.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's true. That's why I think the best course of action is to take them seriously, even with a reputable accused and "less than reputable" accuser and let authorities investigate and find out if there is any truth to it. Work out if they were in the same place, if there are any witnesses, if there is any corroborating evidence and go from there. That seems to be the route it is going.

I don't think her going onto social media has been helpful to her or anyone. Especially at this stage.

Agree 100% with everthing. We just have different ways of getting there lol and different world views.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, basically. I can see the other sides, as I'm sure you can mine. Either way, I'm not complain about Enzo being off television. Let's hope this is the end of the cruiserweights too, haha.

[Tom Guycott]

Ummm, what was she expecting doing drugs and going to the hotel room with him? I'm not saying that if he did it it's ok, but seriously what was she expecting other than sex?

Wondering if it's one of those "I feel dirty" afterwards kind of things.

Consensual until sober.

[BigCrippyZ]

A woman's past sexual history, at least until very recently (not sure if this has changed), could be used against her in a courtroom. Apparently having sex with A and B and C means you'd automatically have sex with D and E and F, no matter how gross they are.

Sort of. While it is true that anyone's past sexual history can be admissible, the Rule of Evidence that allows it, (Rule 412), is by default a rule of exclusion. The procedure required for getting this kind of evidence in at trial is also very specific and thorough.

Basically, the jury only gets to learn the evidence of the victim's previous sex acts with A, B and C if:

1. you can show that it's reasonably possible that the victim's previous sex acts with A, B and C were the actual cause of the victim's injuries, scientific evidence (i.e., semen found, etc.), disease, or knowledge of sexual matters in the present case,

2. you can show that the victim's previous sex acts with A, B, and C are of such a pattern (multiple persons/events, or more than one time) of sexual behavior so unique AND so closely resembling the defendant’s version of the alleged encounter with the victim that it tends to prove that the victim consented to the act charged or behaved in such a manner as to lead the defendant reasonably to believe that the victim consented, (I.e., the victim's past consistent AND unique sexual behavior with A and B and C matches D's claim that the victim consented in the present case), or

3. you're using the victim's past history with A, B, & C, to rebut statements made by the victim re: their own sexual history, BUT ONLY if the victim's sexual history was brought up first by the prosecution AND limited only to the extent necessary to rebut (I.e., Prosecutor Q: "Have you ever had sex before?" Victim A: "I've never had sex before." Now the defendant can rebut that statement by showing only the minimal amount of evidence necessary of A,B, & C's past sex with the victim).

[Mr. Nerfect]

That makes perfect sense. :y:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Looks like the evidence must be strong. Enzo Amore has been fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrred

[Evil Vito]

http://www.wwe.com/article/enzo-amore-released

They didn't wish him the best in his future endeavors, and they immediately scrubbed his profile off of the website completely.

[Heisenberg]

That Cruiserweight belt is cursed or has really bad taste in men

[Evil Vito]

As good a time as any to watch this again.

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Regardless of the truth of the allegations, this probably would have gotten him released regardless:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was told this morning that Enzo Amore was aware of the allegations and didn't clue WWE in.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/955876867462041602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has come to terms on the release of Eric Arndt (Enzo Amore). <a href="https://t.co/iagk1311eD">https://t.co/iagk1311eD</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/955874078614843392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

He didn't even get "wish him well in his future endeavors"lol

[DaveWadding]

Enzo is now making ZERO DIMES

[Shisen Kopf]

Looks like the evidence must be strong. Enzo Amore has been fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrred

Hes a contract employee. He can't be fired. They just terminate the contract

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Peace ooooooot Enzo.

[Big Vic]

Regardless of the truth of the allegations, this probably would have gotten him released regardless:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was told this morning that Enzo Amore was aware of the allegations and didn't clue WWE in.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/955876867462041602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Gotta give Vince a chance to pay that hush money.

[Heisenberg]

Can we release Paul Rosenberg for disgracing the Bobby Heenan coat?

[Destor]

That's not true.
Just lost his job due to tweets...you sure?

[Danny Electric]

Very dumb to not clue your bosses in for what was going to come out. As I said in the Aziz topic in casual forum, it's a shame that these allegations are put in the public eye, it makes it harder for the judicial system to do their job and taints the allegation.

The ladies conduct in her life plays no part if the rape did happen and if this is found true then I hope they throw the book at him.

If he is found innocent of all charges then would be intersting to see if their is any comeuppance for the WWE firing him.

[erickman]

that 205 belt is cursed

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly the police investigation is ending very soon which means WWE likely got all the info they needed to make an official decision.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Just lost his job due to tweets...you sure?

No he didn't. He lost it earlier than he would have due to Tweets.

If he didn't inform WWE when the investigation was ongoing, it was going to get out eventually anyway and he would have been released then.

[Evil Vito]

I'll put my HR hat on for a second. We had a guy at work get arrested for supposedly touching two underage girls at a waterpark. He was released on bond and the next day he was in the office he reported the arrest and investigation to us.

We suspended him with full pay until the investigation could be completed. Once he was found guilty, we terminated his employment.

Had he not reported the investigation to us, he would've breached company policy and would've been terminated regardless of the outcome of his case.

Without having WWE's handbook, I don't know what their policies are. But a lot of companies would've sent you packing if you didn't notify them of an arrest and/or investigation you were involved in.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Charges are being pressed so "H.R." wise their hands are tied. Also, what Hasney said. If he had told them right away, they likely would have been a touch more lenient, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got canned.

If it wasn't the tweets, it would have been in the news at some point.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I posted my "HR" deal before I saw Vito's post #OrignalJewce

[#BROKEN Hasney]

We should pitch ourselves to WWE as the stable known as HR

[Evil Vito]

WWE doesn't even have the Cruiserweight Championship listed as Vacant. They've straight up removed it from the website.

It may have been mercy killed.

[Simple Fan]

3rd Rumble match with 15 cruiserweights to crown a new champion.

[DaveWadding]

Vito def needs to be a part of an HR stable. HR hot takes everywhere!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Enzo came to Barclays Center yesterday wearing a t-shirt with “today is the best day of my life” on the front and “can’t wait for tomorrow” on the back. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW25?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW25</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EnzoAmore?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EnzoAmore</a></p>&mdash; Conrad Thompson (@HeyHeyItsConrad) <a href="https://twitter.com/HeyHeyItsConrad/status/955879982714228737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Loose Cannon]

let's be honest, with everything i've read over the past year, it was only a matter of time. he seems like a clown

[KIRA]

Wondering if it's one of those "I feel dirty" afterwards kind of things.

Consensual until sober.

Well drunk youre not really all there thus you do things you wouldnt normally do so when you sober up if its how you feel you are well within reason to feel violated

[Rammsteinmad]

Yeah, it's been one thing after another with this guy. This doesn't surprise me at all.

It's a shame though, guy was really charismatic and was a great talker.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The biggest loss in all of this was Neville.

[KIRA]

Just lost his job due to tweets...you sure?

The Tweets probably made it even worse but somewhere between the accusation and his release I'm guessing something was uncovered that made the company go "nope"

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The biggest loss in all of this was Neville.

Eh, he would have gone with or without Enzo.

[KIRA]

On a less dark note now is the time to bring back the King of the Cruiser weights

[Destor]

No he didn't. He lost it earlier than he would have due to Tweets.

If he didn't inform WWE when the investigation was ongoing, it was going to get out eventually anyway and he would have been released then.
Oh you mean those tweets you read?

[Destor]

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[KIRA]

This division is pretty much imploding

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My guess is once the wwe realized was going to likely be facing rape charges upon their own investigation (following up on said tweets) they were like "fuck this we are out" cuz its not the 80s anymore and there isnt enough hush money to keep things quiet these days.

[ClockShot]

BADA BOOM! REALIST GUY NO LONGER IN THE ROOM!

HOW YOU DOIN?!

[ClockShot]

So, when Big Cass gets healed up, what do you do with him?

[Danny Electric]

Police were informed 3 days after what had 'occurred', which would of been over two months ago, I can see now why WWE would get rid of Enzo.

[Destor]

So, when Big Cass gets healed up, what do you do with him?
Nothing...ever.

[Danny Electric]

So, when Big Cass gets healed up, what do you do with him?

Make him into a Dog the Bounty Hunter character and his first bond is Enzo.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TripleH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StephMcMahon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> I know a guy! ������ <a href="https://t.co/Hphp1gPiEG">pic.twitter.com/Hphp1gPiEG</a></p>&mdash; Hurricane Helms (@ShaneHelmsCom) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/955893325613207552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Lock Jaw]

Shane Helms looks like Shane from Walking Dead

[slik]

Give Gulak the belt!

[Emperor Smeat]

So, when Big Cass gets healed up, what do you do with him?
Best case is to put him right back in the tag division since his ceiling for success is really small.

Also considering he was hated just as much as Enzo backstage, don't see him lasting long either in the WWE.

[Danny Electric]

Hope they don't give it to Itami. Hang on, where's Spud, give it to him or Rapstar Potato.

[Dark One]

Guess that answers my question as to whether his Straight to the Source episode was the greatest Kaufman-esque performance of our generation or he was legitimately a twat.

[Heisenberg]

Hope they don't give it to Itami. Hang on, where's Spud, give it to him or Rapstar Potato.



Potato is annoying in a good way, we don't want him to succumb to the curse

[erickman]

I say a lot of people will watch 205 tonight

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Nah, probably read about it tomorrow. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[Evil Vito]

I actually like 205 Live when I watch it. But I already watch enough wrestling as it is.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The accuser is now giving her account on tmz. Jayzus

[Ezra]

You can find her Facebook now pretty easy too. It also shows where she works hope enzo doesn't go all g on her.

[#1-norm-fan]

... I'm gonna try something...

Guys. Roman Reigns raped me.

[Ezra]

His booking has raped us all.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://www.wwe.com/article/smackdown-live-general-manager-daniel-bryan-to-address-wwe-205-live?sf180060424=1

SmackDown LIVE General Manager Daniel Bryan to address WWE 205 Live tonight
SmackDown LIVE General Manager Daniel Bryan to address WWE 205 Live tonight
With questions surrounding the status of the WWE Cruiserweight Championship and rumors circulating about a potential General Manager for WWE 205 Live, SmackDown LIVE GM Daniel Bryan has been asked to address these issues on behalf of WWE to kick off tonight’s episode of WWE 205 Live.

Among the topics Bryan may address is the status of the WWE Cruiserweight Title. Will Cedric Alexander still have his long-awaited opportunity to claim it at Royal Rumble? Furthermore, what would the possible addition of a General Manager mean for the future of the Cruiserweight division? And is there someone lined up for the position?

Don’t miss WWE 205 Live, tonight at 10:20/9:20 C on the award-winning WWE Network.

[Emperor Smeat]

Shouldn't it be Angle making the special message considering the Cruisers belong to RAW?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Enzo's name may as well be Benoit, ateast short term. He's not going to be mentioned by name at all.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Shouldn't it be Angle making the special message considering the Cruisers belong to RAW?

Yeah, but Bryan's there already. This is easier and cheaper, especially at short notice. He's been asked to address them by WWE.

[Danny Electric]

Potential 205 GM = Spud

[erickman]

Yeah, but Bryan's there already. This is easier and cheaper, especially at short notice. He's been asked to address them by WWE.

that can go with the bryan taking too much power story, take power from steph like he did from shane

[Helmsphere]

I don't know if the rape thing is true, however sadly up until this point, Regardless if he did it or not. He never did much to sway people into believing something like this couldn't happen.

Enzo has always been a goof, but despite that, up until very recently he did bring some importance to 205 Live, because he was the ultimate Heel champion for that division.

Regardless if he is guilty or not, I hope Eric will wake up and make changes to turn his life around.

[erickman]

Potential 205 GM = Spud

he can do like he did to Dixie kiss vinces ass story wise

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah, but Bryan's there already. This is easier and cheaper, especially at short notice. He's been asked to address them by WWE.

True.

Would be pretty funny if he just announced Angle as the new GM. Cruisers getting their own GM is pretty interesting though since it does give WWE a way to start distancing the division away from RAW and into their own brand.

[mike adamle]

Hopefully Enzo can land in TNA or something. Maybe he can run with this and do a rape gimmick of sorts. He could drug the whole Knockout's division and kayfabe rape them, he's have tremendous heat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just lost his job due to tweets...you sure?

Haha, that's not true. If it turns out Enzo didn't do this and is completely exonerated, I'll give you an apology, but at this point it's actually you that is acting naive about the whole thing.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

True.

Would be pretty funny if he just announced Angle as the new GM. Cruisers getting their own GM is pretty interesting though since it does give WWE a way to start distancing the division away from RAW and into their own brand.

Someone mentioned Rockstar Spud and that makes perfect sense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

... I'm gonna try something...

Guys. Roman Reigns raped me.

If you can get witnesses/co-conspirators to his crime, put yourself in the same location as him, have medical records that corroborate an event like that, and can even get some of his DNA, you might have a chance of getting an investigation opened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For god's sake, just let 205 Live die. If anything good is going to come out of this, it's that Enzo has killed that belt for you.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nothing...ever.

Agree with this re: Big Cass.

[#1-norm-fan]

If you can get witnesses/co-conspirators to his crime, put yourself in the same location as him, have medical records that corroborate an event like that, and can even get some of his DNA, you might have a chance of getting an investigation opened.

A lot of work. But I'm willing to do it for the good of wrestling.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

http://nodq.com/news/518760590.shtml

more lunacy in this trainwreck.

[#1-norm-fan]

If only his wife still posted here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I swear to god Noid if this turns out to be bullshit I am going to rub it in your face. Mainly because I'm very petty.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://nodq.com/news/518760590.shtml

more lunacy in this trainwreck.

I'm guessing she's gonna respond calling him a liar and claiming the texts aren't actually from her... but that seems pretty damning.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm hoping he's innocent. Namely because the less people raping/getting raped, the better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A lot of work. But I'm willing to do it for the good of wrestling.

You're the hero we need.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm hoping he's innocent. Namely because the less people raping/getting raped, the better.

The fewer people raped the better. You're welcome to rub it in my face. I'll still take the statistics every time. This does sound like a train wreck, and the texts will be looked into and checked for their authenticity, etc. I do find it weird that they are screenshots of the messages that show the date in the first one, but then nothing in the second one except they were screen-grabbed "yesterday." If you want to play armchair detective, why not just show the message stream instead of individual screenshots that you obviously would have had to dig for anyway?

This is such a mess, and there's way too much smoke to not take it seriously. If she is lying, she deserves to be charged with filing a police report, but if she's telling the truth, I hope all these punks helping to murky the waters get taken down too, to be honest.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

yeah txts are hard to take 100 per cent seriously. Can so easily be doctored.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well he says the texts were sent to someone else. Not directly to him. So all he would have are screenshots.

[Emperor Smeat]

Well he says the texts were sent to someone else. Not directly to him. So all he would have are screenshots.

Could be like the Elgin situation where an outside source vouched for Elgin's innocence with texts and later got outed as likely being Elgin or someone he personally knew. Whole idea was to tarnish the victim's image publicly as payback.

Fightful.com has been working on a report about the Enzo story and pretty much stated its been a really messy situation so far. The drugs and victim supposedly being bi-polar as being some big issues.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well he says the texts were sent to someone else. Not directly to him. So all he would have are screenshots.

This is true. But why not send them to police at this point? I mean, it's not like he's been allegedly traumatized by something, why not turn it in to the people investigating so they can get phone records and such? I mean, you'd think they'd have looked at her phone anyway.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fightful.com has been working on a report about the Enzo story and pretty much stated its been a really messy situation so far. The drugs and victim supposedly being bi-polar being some big issues.

Seems very, very murky.

[#1-norm-fan]

Maybe they were shown to the police. He says he sent them to the girl who she says was an accomplice and she has been talking with police so I'm sure those texts have come up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe. We'll see.

[#1-norm-fan]

From the comment section: "I actually dm'd Toopoor on twitter & sent her those screenshots and she said she would send them along to the detectives & I told her I'd be willing to speak to them if need be"

[Mr. Nerfect]

Could still be complete bullshit. No one in this mess seems particularly smart. It'll be interesting to see if stories stay consistent or whether or not they fold like umbrellas when they can get out of drug charges, accessory charges or whatever leverage is applied.

Even so, bragging about having sex still doesn't mean it was consensual. It's a hard concept to understand, but many victims do romanticize experiences and even brag about them. A case that happened close to me had a victim coming out and telling everybody it happened like it was a fun thing. Weirded people out, but turned out the guy was a total creep and she needed a lot of help stemming from the incident. Entirely anecdotal, but her texting someone and trying to spin it into a positive doesn't mean that she then didn't say no or get pressured into sex while under the influence and then needed to check herself into a mental hospital.

Wait and see how this plays out. Enzo has released a statement:

“Over the last two days, Philomena Sheahan has made multiple public accusations against Eric Arndt (also known as Enzo Amore with the WWE), including allegations of sexual misconduct concerning an October 2017 incident in Phoenix. Mr. Arndt fully and unequivocally denies those accusations. He is cooperating with the authorities in this manner and looks forward to having it resolved in a timely manner. Neither Mr. Arndt nor his counsel will be making any further public comments on this matter.”

Sounds like he's beginning to take it seriously, as opposed to wearing funny t-shirts about it, lying to his employer and basically being Enzo. Glad he's gone, regardless of the outcome, because some people just don't deserve a profile.

[Mr. Nerfect]

She should really get off TMZ and all that. That's not helping the image people want to paint of her being a gold-digger or social media junkie, or whatever.

[Loose Cannon]

so i watched her video on i guess TMZ. This whole thing seems like a train wreck. my question is she claims she was on all these drugs and basically out of her mind. so how does she know what really even happened? and she has one of those spiked dog collars around her neck while talking. fuck

[GD]

http://www.wwe.com/article/enzo-amore-released

They didn't wish him the best in his future endeavors, and they immediately scrubbed his profile off of the website completely.

Seems apt.

[#1-norm-fan]

@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?

[Emperor Smeat]

so i watched her video on i guess TMZ. This whole thing seems like a train wreck. my question is she claims she was on all these drugs and basically out of her mind. so how does she know what really even happened? and she has one of those spiked dog collars around her neck while talking. fuck

Supposedly she still had a little sense of what was going on while the drugs were taking effect. Not enough to be fully aware or in any control of the situation but just enough that she could remember some stuff that happened before she blacked out or got incapacitated.

[GD]

WWE doesn't even have the Cruiserweight Championship listed as Vacant. They've straight up removed it from the website.

It may have been mercy killed.

They did something similar when Dolph Ziggler vacated the United States Championship. It's still listed as "active".

[GD]

The biggest loss in all of this was Neville.

That is not accurate. Amore and Neville were friends backstage. He didn't have any issues as far as losing the strap was concerned.

[Loose Cannon]

Supposedly she still had a little sense of what was going on while the drugs were taking effect. Not enough to be fully aware or in any control of the situation but just enough that she could remember some stuff that happened before she blacked out or got incapacitated.

:y:

[#1-norm-fan]

She posted a video on YouTube 2 weeks ago where she tells the story of how she lied about being pregnant to keep a guy from breaking up with her, keeping the lie going even after they went to the doctor by telling him her gynecologist said sometimes it doesn't show up right away. She's definitely not a credible human being. Could have still been raped despite all of this... But at what point can you start leaning away from believing the crazy chick attention whore who lies constantly and take away the benefit of the doubt?

[GD]

http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-cruiserweight-championship

"VACANT" is being listed as the current champion :roll:

[GD]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?

If she came out and said "I am lying about this, haha," as far as things she could say. As far as things that could come out -- if credible witnesses say that they saw the initiation of the act and knew that Sheahan had consented. If the medical reports from her hospital tenure play contrary to sexual assault. If the people she spoke to at the hospital have some sort of insight that suggests that her claims are fraudulent.

But, basically, I give the allegedly victims the benefit of the doubt. Again, statistics say that it is basically pointless to pretend you are a victim, because people chew them apart, by and large. If she's making it up because she has a mental issue, I hope she gets help. But her being a train wreck human, as you said, doesn't mean she wasn't raped. It probably makes her more of a target for this sort of thing. And I'm not saying Enzo picked her out for that sort of thing, but she clearly lacks the sense of tact to keep her out of these situations. That doesn't mean it's her fault or completely okay for Enzo to sport fuck her while she's coked up and passing out, or whatever happened. She may not treat herself or others right, but she still deserves the dignity of having her claims be treated as serious and credibly investigated.

It costs nothing for me to give her the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter to me whether or not she is a junkie or a prostitute or whatever. It makes no difference to my life. I honestly don't get why people are concerned about things like her "credibility" in 2018. Like, as BigCrippyZ said -- if she said she was a virgin in court and then someone came forward and said "Hang on, I have evidence we slept together, therefore she is not telling the truth in this instance," it would matter more to me. Her being a train wreck just doesn't eliminate her from my scope of compassion. If anything, I think she needs more of it.

I'm not saying you're a bad person for not believing her or whatever -- I want to clarify that. She's not the sort of person I'd want to hang out with, either. I'm just of the opinion that going through her past to try and discredit current claims just isn't as relevant as other people seem to think it is. It's a shame people lie, but I don't think the truth cares about a lie you told yesterday.

If Enzo is innocent, I hope he is cleared of all charges. I can't see a way he comes out of this smelling like roses, however, because it sounds like he either had sex without her consent, they had coked up sex, or she was coked up and he fucked her. I say this because the other alleged witnesses all seem to put Enzo and drugs there, and the police seem to have DNA. All those scenarios contain some measure of a crime as the books currently stand, with the most benign being drug use, which the WWE may not take kindly to anyway. I doubt we see him back in the WWE. I can't say I'll miss him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does anyone find it odd that these allegations come out and completely wash away the accusations that Roman Reigns has been buying illegal steroids?

[Tom Guycott]

Very dumb to not clue your bosses in for what was going to come out. As I said in the Aziz topic in casual forum, it's a shame that these allegations are put in the public eye, it makes it harder for the judicial system to do their job and taints the allegation.

The ladies conduct in her life plays no part if the rape did happen and if this is found true then I hope they throw the book at him.

If he is found innocent of all charges then would be intersting to see if their is any comeuppance for the WWE firing him.

Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SDLive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SDLive</a> GM <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEDanielBryan</a> announces that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/205Live?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#205Live</a> will get a brand-new General Manager NEXT WEEK, and that person will address the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cruiserweight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cruiserweight</a> Championship situation. <a href="https://t.co/0JR662P0ZR">pic.twitter.com/0JR662P0ZR</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956004891071209472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[GD]

I am intrigued.

[Tom Guycott]

Does anyone find it odd that these allegations come out and completely wash away the accusations that Roman Reigns has been buying illegal steroids?

Not odd, but fortuitous. Like when that freak snowstorm dismantled what was destined to be a very, very shitty RAW.

Less conspiracy theory, more chicken salad from chicken shit.

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TripleH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StephMcMahon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> I know a guy! ������ <a href="https://t.co/Hphp1gPiEG">pic.twitter.com/Hphp1gPiEG</a></p>&mdash; Hurricane Helms (@ShaneHelmsCom) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/955893325613207552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Shane Helms looks like Shane from Walking Dead

He doesn't come back as The Hurricane, but The Punsher.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.

Yeah, basically. And they have a morals cause, which I imagine means they can basically fire anyone for whatever they want whenever they want. But innocent until proven guilty is probably the thinking here. Is the WWE jumping the gun? No, I don't think so, because removing someone from a public position is not the same as throwing them into prison for actually committing a crime.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shane Helms jumped the shark when he appeared with Matt Hardy on TNA.

[Fignuts]

Honestly, it sounds like the world wojld benefit if they locked everyone in this situation up and threw away the kaey.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hahaha, there definitely needs to be a hose sprayed inside some brains.

[KIRA]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SDLive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SDLive</a> GM <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEDanielBryan</a> announces that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/205Live?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#205Live</a> will get a brand-new General Manager NEXT WEEK, and that person will address the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cruiserweight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cruiserweight</a> Championship situation. <a href="https://t.co/0JR662P0ZR">pic.twitter.com/0JR662P0ZR</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956004891071209472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The new champ will adress the situation?

Is the WWE really about to try to deliver a teachable moment? If so then Gulak should be champ

[Fignuts]

missgucciwitch?

More like missbutterface

MIRITE?

[#1-norm-fan]

"If I had a dime for every time I raped this woman, I'd have ZERO DIMES!"

"No further questions, your honor."

[Anybody Thrilla]

That is not accurate. Amore and Neville were friends backstage. He didn't have any issues as far as losing the strap was concerned.

I stand corrected, but I still miss Neville.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"If I had a dime for every time I raped this woman, I'd have ZERO DIMES!"

"No further questions, your honor."

God, if they actually put Enzo on the stand, his testimony devolving into shtick would not surprise me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I stand corrected, but I still miss Neville.

Became one of my five favorite workers in the company. I think he could have used a change of setting in order to see if people could take him more seriously.

[Dark One]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SDLive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SDLive</a> GM <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEDanielBryan</a> announces that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/205Live?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#205Live</a> will get a brand-new General Manager NEXT WEEK, and that person will address the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cruiserweight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cruiserweight</a> Championship situation. <a href="https://t.co/0JR662P0ZR">pic.twitter.com/0JR662P0ZR</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/956004891071209472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Felt like I was watching TNA for a minute.

WE HAVE A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT TUNE IN. DONT MISS JT.




OUR MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR ANNOUNCMENT NEXT WEEK.

78% chance Tito Ortiz or a masturbating midget in a trash can is 205 Live GM

[Mr. Nerfect]

A midget in a trash can will actually get me to watch.

[Simple Fan]

Honswoggle isn't a stretch, form cruiserweight champion and has GM experience.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like the way you're treating that position like a shoot, Fan. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I imagine it'll be Goldust.

[Droford]

Honswoggle isn't a stretch, form cruiserweight champion and has GM experience.

bastard mcmahon too

[Mr. Nerfect]

A McMahon running every show: Stephanie on Raw, Shane on SmackDown, Hornswoggle on 205 Live and Triple H on NXT.

[Fignuts]

Checked out her youtube channel. Girl is a fucking car wreck.

Would not be surprised if this turned out to be bullshit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?

To me it seems like every gal is a damsel in distress in Noid's eyes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yep, that's right -- white knighting for the woman who says she was raped. Harden up, princess.

[Danny Electric]

Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.

I posted this before I saw that he had failed to tell his employer about the situation and later commented on this.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yep, that's right -- white knighting for the woman who says she was raped. Harden up, princess.

It's sometimes hard to believe people with a history of lying.

(Re: Lying about a pregnancy to keep a boyfriend)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cool.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Here's the thing Noid. I was obviously being hyperbolic, you clearly don't see EVERY WOMAN AS DAMSELS IN DISTRESS. I was busting your balls.

But the problem is, everyone is free to have their own stance and perspective on these issues so long as they are not hindering an investigation or inflicting the action upon someone.

We live in a society where a "are you sure she's not lying" means you are a ghastly individual.

Us going, "trainwreck girl with history of drug use, erratic behaviour, and lying, who goes onto Twitter and TMZ to sensationalize her rape case lacks some credibility...though she could still be telling the truth" is not the same as some fuckwit judge asking the plaintiff in a rape case why she "didn't just keep her legs closed".

It's also not the same as judges who let the likes of Brock Turner (and another Canadian athlete) off easy because they're "good kids".

These two issues may have to do with the same subject matter, but they're both different.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think I've accused you of being in that camp, have I?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's more just a commentary of the state of things. Consider yourself part of my internal discussion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ah okay, fair enough. Well, just to contribute:

I just know too many women who have come up against the wall of people saying "she's probably lying." It's just not something I feel comfortable saying myself, even if something does seem shady or whatever. I've done it myself and I regret it to this day, because it turned out they were telling the truth.

As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault. No one assumes that about any other crime. If someone says "my stereo got stolen," people say "fuck, that sucks" and wonder how they got warped back in time to the 1990's. It's just gross to me that there's this macho bubble of resistance to the likelihood of these things, and this hyper-critical analysis of a fucked up person's behavior in the wake of it and leading up to it.

But I wonder if this might be, at least in part, why these things aren't falsely reported very often. Because people (and not just men, there are a lot of women who do this too) make it extraordinarily hard for people who come forward and say this happened to them. If it were as simple as saying it and waving a magic wand, maybe more fucked up people would say it to take out their enemies?

You obviously need a very high standard for definitive guilt, but I just don't feel comfortable, at all really, setting my standard for dignity very high. This woman obviously needs help -- one way or another.

[Evil Vito]

As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault.


This is pretty much how I feel. It feels to me like when someone in the public eye is accused, there's always going to be people cynical that the accuser is making a false accusation just to "make a name for themselves" or whatever, and I've just never bought into it. I'm not throwing the book at the accused, but I don't see a purpose in assuming the other person is lying about being sexually assaulted.

In my opinion, if someone is accused with sufficient proof, the individual who is accused should do one of two things:

1) Admit to it if they have done it.
or
2) Provide proof that what they are accused of is false.

Innocent until proven guilty should of course always continue to be the standard for actually going to prison or other punitive punishments. But being an actor, musician, or whatever else is a privilege. If there is reason to believe that someone has abused that privilege then it should be taken away immediately. After that, it is up to society to decide whether they can be forgiven and resume that kind of lifestyle until the authorities can look into the matter.

In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.

[Big Vic]

Wondering if he was released partially because more eyes were on WWE at the time due to the 25th Aniversery.

2) Provide proof that what they are accused of is false. This might be hard in a he said/she said scenario.

[Evil Vito]

Agreed but that's why I'd want some form of proof from the accuser first.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.

100% agreed

[Heisenberg]

If you didn't know from their attire and behavior that they were bad people then why did she stay? YOu think those pant sagging hoodlums were gonna read the bible to you??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEE-EEEEEEEEEEeeeeee)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Heis WITH THE CONTROVERSY.

[Evil Vito]

Nia Jax is the real winner here. That Nia/Enzo angle was shaping up to be terrible.

[Shisen Kopf]

They should make Big Cass the GM of the midget show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Btw the girl verified the texts but then says they were talen out of context and that her bff who was "there for her" has commited a heinous heel turn by exposing the msges.

[Danny Electric]

Maybe they will make her the new Cruiserweight GM.

[#1-norm-fan]

As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault. No one assumes that about any other crime. If someone says "my stereo got stolen," people say "fuck, that sucks" and wonder how they got warped back in time to the 1990's

Wait... of course people do that about any other crime. If someone is a clear pathological liar, a nutjob and an overall unreliable person and they say "this other person robbed me, threatened to kill me, attacked me, etc." and the other person is like "... That didn't happen", the benefit of the doubt would go to the one who isn't a pathological liar. In EVERY crime. It's not rape-specific.

People do that about ANY crime, rape included. People who doubt her because she's a clear bullshitter are not the ones making a special exception because it's rape. People saying "she's probably not lying because it's rape" are OBVIOUSLY the ones making a special exception because it's rape.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

People do that about ANY crime, rape included. People who doubt her because she's a clear bullshitter are not the ones making a special exception because it's rape. People saying "she's probably not lying because it's rape" are OBVIOUSLY the ones making a special exception because it's rape.

Well stated

[Fignuts]

Looking at the youtube page of her "ex bff" who called her out and seems like just as much of a mess. So who fucking knows at this point

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Looking at the youtube page of her "ex bff" who called her out and seems like just as much of a mess. So who fucking knows at this point

The fact that he would do what he did suggests he is a mess.

[#1-norm-fan]

The fact that he would show evidence that she's lying?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The fact that he would show evidence that she's lying?

Release it in a sensationalist manner versus handing it over to the authorities.

[#1-norm-fan]

He seems like a drama queen. He did hand it over to the chick who's being investigated to give to the cops though. And going public with it on YouTube, while he was probably doing it because he loves drama, was a good thing. There's a lady out there calling a guy in the public eye a rapist for all the world to see. Having someone show the evidence that he may not actually be a rapist for all the world to see in response isn't exactly a bad thing.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, the fact that he was ever close friends with this lady to begin with is reason to believe he's a bit of a mess himself. I just don't think him going public with evidence that could help clear a man's name in a rape accusation is very bad.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Good point. I'll concede that him being friends with this disaster of a human would suggest he's a mess.

Also, on an unrelated note, is the goal of your avatar to make people envision you as a more cynical version of Todd Pettingil?

[#1-norm-fan]

The goal of my avatar is to remind the world that Todd Pettengill existed. Because the world needs to know that Todd Pettengill existed.

[#1-norm-fan]

But if it makes people envision me as Todd Pettengill, awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Innocent until proven guilty should of course always continue to be the standard for actually going to prison or other punitive punishments. But being an actor, musician, or whatever else is a privilege. If there is reason to believe that someone has abused that privilege then it should be taken away immediately. After that, it is up to society to decide whether they can be forgiven and resume that kind of lifestyle until the authorities can look into the matter.

In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.

Very well said.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I posted something else, but it didn't come through. It's really not worth it. I hope justice is served, whichever way it goes.

[Jordan]

"Who let Benzo Amore in the Impact Zone?"

[Jordan]

Did anyone say that yet?

[Cool King]

Nia Jax is the real winner here. That Nia/Enzo angle was shaping up to be terrible.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Nia Jax is the real winner here. That Nia/Enzo angle was shaping up to be terrible.

Well, her and also the fans.

[Big Vic]

I liked Enzo's character but I understand his character was polarizing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He is probably best suited as a heel.

[Big Vic]

I think he had a great heel turn. Literally didn't change ANYTHING about his character. All he did is won the title and continue to be cocky.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Definitely a dank heel. Definitely a shit person though, which I wasn't sure about before.

[GD]

You tell 'em, gurl *snaps finger*

[#BROKEN Hasney]

THE MAC broke the forum.

Not shocked tbh

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Mac delete your damned post, it's fucking up the page.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Definitely a dank heel. Definitely a shit person though, which I wasn't sure about before.

Also, Sam Cook is brutal. Dude said "listen bitch" like a thousand times.

[Big Vic]

@ From MACs video

Yeah her story seems a more shaky now.

(Link to vid that broke the forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nWlaKRCQI )

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, Sam Cook is brutal. Dude said "listen bitch" like a thousand times.

Honestly have no clue who that is, but probably.

[Fignuts]

He's nobody. Just another spoiled teenager making a mess of his life like the girl accusing Enzo.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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