Dawn of the Dead - rant

**Paki Crippler** · 03-21-2004, 03:22 PM

IMO, and strictly IMO, once again where the product does not match the hype.
not that i found it BAD or anything, but it really had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL whatsoever except for the fact of the SHOPPING MALL and a couple of catch sentences as well as quick cameo's.
to me, it came across to me as an americanized sequel to 21 DAYS LATER.
not enough gore - or at least nothing that i haven't seen before........
if zombies "rose from the grave", they would not be doing leaps in the air onto victimes like a RVD frogsplash.
If it didn't have the DAWN OF THE DEAD tag to it, it would've been a good movie but........

and since the zombies weren't from the radiation like in the original, where did the illness come from?

**Danny Electric** · 03-21-2004, 03:26 PM

Isn't it good that it's not a complete remake of the original. I wouldn't want to watch it and for it to be the same.

**Shaggy** · 03-21-2004, 03:57 PM

I havnt seen it yet but I have read what its about at www.themoviespoiler.com and from what it sounds it seems like it leans away from the first one only having in common what you said of a Mall and that was it. The one thing that drove me away from the movie a little bit I guess was that in the original you have four people that make it to the mall alive. In this movie you have like from what I read and saw in clips had to be atleast seven or eight people. I dont like when they throw off a movie like that. It would of been good if they wouldve made it look just like the other one but with a few different lines and some better graphics. Im sure most of the fans would of been happy with that. But from what I have read most fans are pissed at this remake. I have yet to see it so I leave my judgement as my own opinion right now. Since I have no seen it yet I feel bad giving it bad judgement but that is from what I have heard. Hopefully when I finally see it I wont be that disapointed and I will be able to report back my true feelings on the film.

03-21-2004, 06:21 PM

I dunno I heard it was pretty good, like similar to 28 Days Later. I will sneak into it next week after The Ladykillers.

**Boondock Saint** · 03-21-2004, 06:25 PM

I'm d/l it now only because I more than likely won't get the chance to see it while it is in theaters. I need a car next semester damn it.

**Kane Knight** · 03-21-2004, 07:13 PM

I dunno. Is it really necessary to debate the physics of undead movie critters?

The movie looks shitty, BTW, but your rant made me wonder. You know, since the undead are works of fiction anyways, who's to really say what's normal for 'em?

**Buzzkill** · 03-21-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Paki Crippler

IMO, and strictly IMO, once again where the product does not match the hype.
not that i found it BAD or anything, but it really had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL whatsoever except for the fact of the SHOPPING MALL and a couple of catch sentences as well as quick cameo's.
to me, it came across to me as an americanized sequel to 21 DAYS LATER.
not enough gore - or at least nothing that i haven't seen before........
if zombies "rose from the grave", they would not be doing leaps in the air onto victimes like a RVD frogsplash.
If it didn't have the DAWN OF THE DEAD tag to it, it would've been a good movie but........

and since the zombies weren't from the radiation like in the original, where did the illness come from?

What the hell? Shutup

**Buzzkill** · 03-21-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

I dunno. Is it really necessary to debate the physics of undead movie critters?

**The Diva** · 03-21-2004, 11:16 PM

Everybody always has to complain about everything, as I said in the other DotD thread, if it was a carbon copy of the original who would really care? I'm sure everyone and their second cousin Bobby Dean would complain about it being just like the original,why didn't they update it blah,blah,blah. As for the larger number of survivors, they always have a lack of them in movies like this, I mean you are to tell me that in a town,state,country whatever it may be, there are only like four or five people that survived? This movies showed that even though you may have.. about 14 give or take one or two, survivors that it still does not set in stone that you can live. And if by what it suggests, that everyone dies, that really shows you have no hope whatsoever... I mean it showed that atleast the whole U.S and perhaps the world has been turned into zombie-esque creatures. I think that some survivors (even if it the whole world, and 'some' means a couple hundred/thousand,what have you) are still outnumbered by atleast 100 to 1.

**Hired Hitman** · 03-21-2004, 11:29 PM

I would rather see a movie with half the world turned into zombies and the other half (human) get together to rage a war and fight for their planet, it'll show a lot of things (okay so not a lot of things) like mankind�s struggle for survival and that when it comes to life or death nobody cares if you're black or white, whichever race, it doesn't matter you're fighting for each other....

Anyway like I said I'd rather see a fair 50% 50% war shown on the screen than a few main characters fighting an army of thousands/millions, making themselves look Godlike.

**Kane Knight** · 03-21-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hired Hitman

I would rather see a movie with half the world turned into zombies and the other half (human) get together to rage a war and fight for their planet, it'll show a lot of things (okay so not a lot of things) like mankind�s struggle for survival and that when it comes to life or death nobody cares if you're black or white, whichever race, it doesn't matter you're fighting for each other....

Anyway like I said I'd rather see a fair 50% 50% war shown on the screen than a few main characters fighting an army of thousands/millions, making themselves look Godlike.

"wage" a war, incidentally.

But yeah, every time I see a group of like 2-5 people take on an entire world of bad guys, at at least 1000 to 1, I really just want to fall asleep.

the problem is, the concept you have in mind has a major plot flaw...In that it has a plot, which is a flaw in most moviemaking books these days.

Anyways, this movie looked mad corny.

**Hired Hitman** · 03-22-2004, 12:42 PM

...I guess that's why I like Braveheart and all the medieval movies

03-22-2004, 04:27 PM

Stupid topic shut up everyone.

**Kane Knight** · 03-22-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hired Hitman

...I guess that's why I like Braveheart and all the medieval movies

Not to mention the fact that the good guy dies, and still makes an impact.

Much more interesting then the age-old nick-of-time rescue, where the good guy kills the bad guy and they live happily ever after...

**Joeleosis** · 03-23-2004, 04:33 PM

It was hilarious.

**Pegasus Crawford** · 03-23-2004, 10:15 PM

BURT REYNOLDS!

**TheNamelessOne** · 03-24-2004, 12:17 PM

The most annoying complaint from fans of the original is that the zombies no longer walk very slowly, but they can infact run quite fast, and this in their opinion is unrealistic and not faithful to the original.

**Kane Knight** · 03-24-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessOne

The most annoying complaint from fans of the original is that the zombies no longer walk very slowly, but they can infact run quite fast, and this in their opinion is unrealistic and not faithful to the original.

OMG When I last summoned Zopmbies, they shambled really really slow...These are TOTALLY unrealistic!

....

I've got news for ANYONE complaining about realism in zombie movies--There's no such thing as a zombie! In order to complain about realism, you have to have a real-world item with which to compare it. For example: Jet Fighters, killer whales, computers. Examples of things with no real world analog: Atomic dinosaurs, werewolves, Vampires (Well, the Anne Rice kind), and ZOMBIES.

If someone's bitching about realism in Dawn of the Dead, they're in the wrong fucking movie. Now, some movies, you might bitch about unreleasm. Historically-based movies, for example. Braveheart, the Patriot, Pearl Harbor, Titanic, things like that.

Do you know why most zombie movies have had slow, shambling zombies? It's easier and cheaper to do. Same reason Lon Chaney turned into a wolfman instead of a folklore ( or maybe I should say, realistic...

) werewolf. The technology didn't exist, and had it, it would have been Hella expensive.

Here you have moviemakers remaking an old movie with technology that may not have even been DREAMED OF when the original came out. Remember, at one time, Godzilla was BLEEDING EDGE special effects.

No, it doesn't match the D&D geek's standard preconception of a zombie, but that doesn't make them unrealistic...The fact that they're rising from the dead does!

reality check.

**Paki Crippler** · 03-24-2004, 02:19 PM

i will admit the ending was cool ( yea i watched the creds) but the trunck scene was a "gored" up part in tribute to the part when roger barrelled over the zombies in a truck in the oriinal movie. ( backing up to the loading dock was cool 'though)
what bugged me was when ANDY wrote on the billboard after he became a zombie. and the baby zombie too, that was dumb.

my memorable part of the movie was in the opening scene when the woman was evading her husband and you could see the neighbours being attacked way off in the distance.

and how did the little girl in the beginning get infected anyhow?

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-27-2004, 06:32 PM

"This zombies run, why can't they walk like real ones?!" - An asshole

Anyway, Damn of the dead kick serious ass in the fact that it tried hard to give a shot in the arm of a dying genra. There is no pleasing some of you people and it's very appearant no matter how good a movie is; there are always people around to shoot it down.

NOBODY has ever seen a baby-zombie before; no matter how ridiculous and absurd the concept 'sounds', movie history was made.

Andy lifted his last sign moments before becoming a zombie.

That country rendition of "Down with the Sickness" was awesome!!

Every actor/character combination was dead-on, even if you barely recognize certain actors.

The zombie-husband turning from the car and attacking the bystander is one of thos unintentionally funny moments.

Off-Topic: There are too many damn reality shows on MTV.

Anyway, whoever went to DotD expecting a revolution to horror movies, or the SAME move the original was, wasted time. The funny thing about hyped movies is that the people complaining the most were the ones giving it the hype. It's a zombie movie dammit!

Who's checking out Resident Evil 2? Got classic zombies there.

**Smitty** · 03-27-2004, 06:37 PM

When the people first turn into zombies, it's believable that they can still run, seeing their organs, tissues, and senses are still pretty fresh. But when the movie fast forward to like a month later, they could still run?! WTF, by a month later rigor mortis would have set in and they would have to walk.

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-27-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty

When the people first turn into zombies, it's believable that they can still run, seeing their organs, tissues, and senses are still pretty fresh. But when the movie fast forward to like a month later, they could still run?! WTF, by a month later rigor mortis would have set in and they would have to walk.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have an expert on Zombies!! Tell me, what other chemical changes occure during the 'coming back to life' process? And do you personally believe they love the song "Bring Me 2 Life" and the game "Resident Evil"? On the latter, I hear they complain about the realism of the zombies in the game. Says one Undead, "We are much more athletic than that. Are you going to eat that?"

"What?"

"Your arm."

**Smitty** · 03-27-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD

Ladies and gentlemen, we have an expert on Zombies!! Tell me, what other chemical changes occure during the 'coming back to life' process? And do you personally believe they love the song "Bring Me 2 Life" and the game "Resident Evil"? On the latter, I hear they complain about the realism of the zombies in the game. Says one Undead, "We are much more athletic than that. Are you going to eat that?"

"What?"

"Your arm."

ummm, zombies are made up. But if you knew since the creation of zombies in books and movies, that they decay, just like any person who dies. You should read "The Zombie Survival Guide" (cant remember the author.) But that tells you pretty much anything you should know about zombies.

**Smitty** · 03-27-2004, 07:06 PM

Here you go:

Good read.

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-27-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty

ummm, zombies are made up. But if you knew since the creation of zombies in books and movies, that they decay, just like any person who dies. You should read "The Zombie Survival Guide" (cant remember the author.) But that tells you pretty much anything you should know about zombies.

"The Zombie Survival Guide"? Are you serious? Is the author serious? Next you're going to tell me where to find a vile of the T-Virus and how apply it with the 'bad results'.

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-27-2004, 07:36 PM

Zombies are 'living-dead'. As in neither dead or alive. They don't have to decay in the first place apon coming back. Your point could be carried on the basis of how long they were dead before coming back. So decay can occur, but if decay continues after the 'rebirth', the simple defense agianst zombies would be to wait until there decrepid bodies simple can't sustain itself to the point of scary growls on the floor.

**Kane Knight** · 03-27-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty

ummm, zombies are made up. But if you knew since the creation of zombies in books and movies, that they decay, just like any person who dies. You should read "The Zombie Survival Guide" (cant remember the author.) But that tells you pretty much anything you should know about zombies.

Ummm, actually you're wrong.

Well, you did get one thing right. Zombies are made up.

**Kane Knight** · 03-27-2004, 08:35 PM

*LOL* Though, as that was a pretty funny book. I read some of the exerpts. Total shit, but funny.

**The Mackem** · 03-28-2004, 06:37 AM

I'm going to see this ina bout half an hour, I didn't read the topic but that's no reflection on the poster who created the topic, I thought it would have some spoilers in it.

Haha I shit myself watching horror movies.

**The Mackem** · 03-28-2004, 11:21 AM

Well I watched it and it was good, the start bit was the best. I dunno, being in a mall made slightly less scary (for me anyway) but it was still a good game.

I wonder what happened for the first person to become infected and also what was with that island they ended up at? Was it an island? Why were there loads of infected people there? I only watched the credtis up to the point of the droppped camera bit, did anything else happen after that? What other films was that main female actor out of? Why did they have a dramatic shot of Ving Rhames's character catching his arm when fighting a zombie? What happened to them bastards in the helicopter?

It was a cool film.

I'm really looking forward to Shaun of the dead though

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-28-2004, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mackem

wonder what happened for the first person to become infected and also what was with that island they ended up at? Was it an island? Why were there loads of infected people there? I only watched the credtis up to the point of the droppped camera bit, did anything else happen after that? What other films was that main female actor out of? Why did they have a dramatic shot of Ving Rhames's character catching his arm when fighting a zombie? What happened to them bastards in the helicopter?

Wow, aren't you curious? You're the like Umbrella would kill in an instant. I'll try to help ya:

1) The first person sick was never a topic touched in any of the 'Living Dead' movies. Other movie involving zombies usually explain the carnage with radiation or some form of chemical. We could safely say that somebody got into some bad shit, and bit his friend. The rest is theorized history.

2) No explanation for the island besides it being a possible safe spot.

3) Could be an island.

4) Zombies were everywhere, at that point there was no surprise to be had.

5) I left when you did.

6) Never seen her before.

7) "Catching his arm"? Care to rephrase that? In any case many shots were dynamic and slo-mo'd for drama's sake. Like the slo-mo'd shotgun reloading, there was no reason for such cuts.

8) Who cares, they were bastards. Actually, in a very realistic move, no matter how many 'Alive' signs you may have put up, would you risk going down to save people in that situation? And let's not forgot the fact that the aircraft wasn't even a rescue vehicle. Seemed more like war-chopper.

**Paki Crippler** · 03-28-2004, 12:54 PM

Lets hope that all the hoopala surrounding the Dawn Of The Dead remake, will show tha sudios that people want to see zombie films. Maybe then George Romero can get the 4th installment funded! Twilight Of The Dead!!!!
I would love to see that one!!
Be Cool,

**Jerichoholic** · 03-29-2004, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD

NOBODY has ever seen a baby-zombie before; no matter how ridiculous and absurd the concept 'sounds', movie history was made.

I guess that wasn't a zombie baby I saw in Dead Alive.

**Kalyx triaD** · 03-29-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerichoholic

I guess that wasn't a zombie baby I saw in Dead Alive.

Curse my ignorance of the classics.

**Kane Knight** · 03-30-2004, 01:29 AM

**Ninti the Mad** · 04-05-2004, 03:23 AM

I thought it was a really good movie.

And the trend continues with movies ending on a bad note...

03-21-2004, 03:22 PM	#1
Paki Crippler Full Member Posts: 213	Dawn of the Dead - rant IMO, and strictly IMO, once again where the product does not match the hype. not that i found it BAD or anything, but it really had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL whatsoever except for the fact of the SHOPPING MALL and a couple of catch sentences as well as quick cameo's. to me, it came across to me as an americanized sequel to 21 DAYS LATER. not enough gore - or at least nothing that i haven't seen before........ if zombies "rose from the grave", they would not be doing leaps in the air onto victimes like a RVD frogsplash. If it didn't have the DAWN OF THE DEAD tag to it, it would've been a good movie but........ and since the zombies weren't from the radiation like in the original, where did the illness come from?

03-21-2004, 03:26 PM	#2
Danny Electric dirty irani Posts: 11,955	Isn't it good that it's not a complete remake of the original. I wouldn't want to watch it and for it to be the same.

03-21-2004, 03:57 PM	#3
Shaggy Yipee Kai Yay!!! Posts: 5,705	I havnt seen it yet but I have read what its about at www.themoviespoiler.com and from what it sounds it seems like it leans away from the first one only having in common what you said of a Mall and that was it. The one thing that drove me away from the movie a little bit I guess was that in the original you have four people that make it to the mall alive. In this movie you have like from what I read and saw in clips had to be atleast seven or eight people. I dont like when they throw off a movie like that. It would of been good if they wouldve made it look just like the other one but with a few different lines and some better graphics. Im sure most of the fans would of been happy with that. But from what I have read most fans are pissed at this remake. I have yet to see it so I leave my judgement as my own opinion right now. Since I have no seen it yet I feel bad giving it bad judgement but that is from what I have heard. Hopefully when I finally see it I wont be that disapointed and I will be able to report back my true feelings on the film.

03-21-2004, 06:21 PM	#4
Triple A Guest Posts: n/a	I dunno I heard it was pretty good, like similar to 28 Days Later. I will sneak into it next week after The Ladykillers.

03-21-2004, 06:25 PM	#5
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	I'm d/l it now only because I more than likely won't get the chance to see it while it is in theaters. I need a car next semester damn it.

03-21-2004, 07:13 PM	#6
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	I dunno. Is it really necessary to debate the physics of undead movie critters? The movie looks shitty, BTW, but your rant made me wonder. You know, since the undead are works of fiction anyways, who's to really say what's normal for 'em?

03-21-2004, 11:16 PM	#9
The Diva ~Dangerwhore~ Posts: 1,383	Everybody always has to complain about everything, as I said in the other DotD thread, if it was a carbon copy of the original who would really care? I'm sure everyone and their second cousin Bobby Dean would complain about it being just like the original,why didn't they update it blah,blah,blah. As for the larger number of survivors, they always have a lack of them in movies like this, I mean you are to tell me that in a town,state,country whatever it may be, there are only like four or five people that survived? This movies showed that even though you may have.. about 14 give or take one or two, survivors that it still does not set in stone that you can live. And if by what it suggests, that everyone dies, that really shows you have no hope whatsoever... I mean it showed that atleast the whole U.S and perhaps the world has been turned into zombie-esque creatures. I think that some survivors (even if it the whole world, and 'some' means a couple hundred/thousand,what have you) are still outnumbered by atleast 100 to 1.

03-21-2004, 11:29 PM	#10
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	I would rather see a movie with half the world turned into zombies and the other half (human) get together to rage a war and fight for their planet, it'll show a lot of things (okay so not a lot of things) like mankind�s struggle for survival and that when it comes to life or death nobody cares if you're black or white, whichever race, it doesn't matter you're fighting for each other.... Anyway like I said I'd rather see a fair 50% 50% war shown on the screen than a few main characters fighting an army of thousands/millions, making themselves look Godlike.

03-22-2004, 12:42 PM	#12
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	...I guess that's why I like Braveheart and all the medieval movies

03-22-2004, 04:27 PM	#13
Usan29 Guest Posts: n/a	Stupid topic shut up everyone.

03-23-2004, 04:33 PM	#15
Joeleosis Velvet Kevorkian Posts: 18,714	It was hilarious.

03-23-2004, 10:15 PM	#16
Pegasus Crawford Damn me and my charisma Posts: 1,273	BURT REYNOLDS!

03-24-2004, 12:17 PM	#17
TheNamelessOne I Like Trucking Posts: 686	The most annoying complaint from fans of the original is that the zombies no longer walk very slowly, but they can infact run quite fast, and this in their opinion is unrealistic and not faithful to the original.

03-24-2004, 02:19 PM	#19
Paki Crippler Full Member Posts: 213	i will admit the ending was cool ( yea i watched the creds) but the trunck scene was a "gored" up part in tribute to the part when roger barrelled over the zombies in a truck in the oriinal movie. ( backing up to the loading dock was cool 'though) what bugged me was when ANDY wrote on the billboard after he became a zombie. and the baby zombie too, that was dumb. my memorable part of the movie was in the opening scene when the woman was evading her husband and you could see the neighbours being attacked way off in the distance. and how did the little girl in the beginning get infected anyhow?

03-27-2004, 06:32 PM	#20
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	"This zombies run, why can't they walk like real ones?!" - An asshole Anyway, Damn of the dead kick serious ass in the fact that it tried hard to give a shot in the arm of a dying genra. There is no pleasing some of you people and it's very appearant no matter how good a movie is; there are always people around to shoot it down. NOBODY has ever seen a baby-zombie before; no matter how ridiculous and absurd the concept 'sounds', movie history was made. Andy lifted his last sign moments before becoming a zombie. That country rendition of "Down with the Sickness" was awesome!! Every actor/character combination was dead-on, even if you barely recognize certain actors. The zombie-husband turning from the car and attacking the bystander is one of thos unintentionally funny moments. Off-Topic: There are too many damn reality shows on MTV. Anyway, whoever went to DotD expecting a revolution to horror movies, or the SAME move the original was, wasted time. The funny thing about hyped movies is that the people complaining the most were the ones giving it the hype. It's a zombie movie dammit! Who's checking out Resident Evil 2? Got classic zombies there.

03-27-2004, 06:37 PM	#21
Smitty mmm mmm bitch! Posts: 2,881	When the people first turn into zombies, it's believable that they can still run, seeing their organs, tissues, and senses are still pretty fresh. But when the movie fast forward to like a month later, they could still run?! WTF, by a month later rigor mortis would have set in and they would have to walk.

03-27-2004, 07:06 PM	#24
Smitty mmm mmm bitch! Posts: 2,881	Here you go: Good read.

03-27-2004, 07:36 PM	#26
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Zombies are 'living-dead'. As in neither dead or alive. They don't have to decay in the first place apon coming back. Your point could be carried on the basis of how long they were dead before coming back. So decay can occur, but if decay continues after the 'rebirth', the simple defense agianst zombies would be to wait until there decrepid bodies simple can't sustain itself to the point of scary growls on the floor.

03-27-2004, 08:35 PM	#28
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	LOL Though, as that was a pretty funny book. I read some of the exerpts. Total shit, but funny.

03-28-2004, 06:37 AM	#29
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	I'm going to see this ina bout half an hour, I didn't read the topic but that's no reflection on the poster who created the topic, I thought it would have some spoilers in it. Haha I shit myself watching horror movies.

03-28-2004, 11:21 AM	#30
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Well I watched it and it was good, the start bit was the best. I dunno, being in a mall made slightly less scary (for me anyway) but it was still a good game. I wonder what happened for the first person to become infected and also what was with that island they ended up at? Was it an island? Why were there loads of infected people there? I only watched the credtis up to the point of the droppped camera bit, did anything else happen after that? What other films was that main female actor out of? Why did they have a dramatic shot of Ving Rhames's character catching his arm when fighting a zombie? What happened to them bastards in the helicopter? It was a cool film. I'm really looking forward to Shaun of the dead though

03-28-2004, 12:54 PM	#32
Paki Crippler Full Member Posts: 213	Lets hope that all the hoopala surrounding the Dawn Of The Dead remake, will show tha sudios that people want to see zombie films. Maybe then George Romero can get the 4th installment funded! Twilight Of The Dead!!!! I would love to see that one!! Be Cool,

03-30-2004, 01:29 AM	#35
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467

04-05-2004, 03:23 AM	#36
Ninti the Mad Mad as in crazy, dumbass Posts: 27,739	I thought it was a really good movie. And the trend continues with movies ending on a bad note...