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Old 08-19-2013, 11:23 PM   #601
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thanks to Bore-ton
Bullshit. Orton had nothing to do with the lack of delivery there. If it'd been heel CM Punk it would have been no different.
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I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more
He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.
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Building the new heel machine, fine. How about not having your new top babyface come out like a dumb asshole and get unceremoniously put down.
So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.
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Tonight was the night to make Bryan a star. He comes down and fights his way and really puts egg on the McMahon Helmsley regime featuring the shield. Give him some momentum as the BIG FACE. tyhen do this next week.

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He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.
I only really remember him stunning everyone.
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Why does Hanso have 2 men kissing as his avatar? Is this something to do with that Miotch-Hanso pissing contest?
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:24 PM   #607
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The roster was there, but they couldn't intervene.
I'm sorry, what?

The roster was forbidden from touching Daniel Bryan. There was nothing preventing Big Show, Mark Henry, PTP, etc. from coming down and beating down the Shield.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:24 PM   #608
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He did get beat up a lot early on to be frank.
No. He fucked up vince, got arrested, and vince hired goons to back him up and avoid the ultimate payoff which would come time to time. Not the same.
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I am pretty glad The Shield got to look awesome

The Shield are the best
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:25 PM   #610
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I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more
...you mean the Stone Cold Steve Austin that, following a savage beatdown, would still have to be restrained from coming back to get more? I don't remember Austin's big run starting with him walking cautiously down to a ring, letting himself be ambushed, then taking his opponent's finisher. Austin mentality would have been to attack the Shield before they could attack him.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:25 PM   #611
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I fail to see how that ending was underwhelming at all. The motives were explained.
Really, the motive was "I actually like Daniel Bryan but he's not a good face of the company so I chose someone who is."

Then he proceeded to call him out just so he could get jumped. lol
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:25 PM   #612
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I'm sorry, what?

The roster was forbidden from touching Daniel Bryan. There was nothing preventing Big Show, Mark Henry, PTP, etc. from coming down and beating down the Shield.
You are correct. I expected Henry and Show to come down and help.

I miss 1999-2001 WWE raw endings where the ring was full of heels beating on faces only for a returning face to come down and clear house.
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I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

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Old 08-19-2013, 11:26 PM   #614
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I am pretty glad The Shield got to look awesome

The Shield are the best
At least there is that. I'm hoping the Shield takes offense to being used as goons to defend the corporate fucks eventually.
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Why does Hanso have 2 men kissing as his avatar? Is this something to do with that Miotch-Hanso pissing contest?
Pissing? No, avatar bet yes. Was in good fun. we tied.
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I think we all remember how Stone Cold Steve Austin would come out and get foolishly beaten up only to get foolishly beaten up more
Actually yes, I do remember tons of Raw's where a top baby face Austin, Rock or Foley would take a beating to end the show. Just because your selective memory tells you otherwise doesn't make it reality.
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I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

I'd poop in my pants
That's because you're an idiot. Apparently an incontinent one as well.
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My issue with the segment was the same as RDD's. They just set it up well with Bryan getting thrown out of the building and then finding his way back in so you just feel like "Oh, shit's about to go down..." and then he just gets attacked and that's it. It was underwhelming.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:27 PM   #619
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Building the new heel machine, fine. How about not having your new top babyface come out like a dumb asshole and get unceremoniously put down.
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So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.
Ugh, no. Stop it.

"He shouldn't come out like a dumb asshole" doesn't mean "he shouldn't come out at all". If he had a weapon or something, he could have come out without being a lamb to the slaughter.
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My issue with the segment was the same as RDD's. They just set it up well with Bryan getting thrown out of the building and then finding his way back in so you just feel like "Oh, shit's about to go down..." and then he just gets attacked and that's it. It was underwhelming.
I have to agree- I was REALLY looking forward to Bryan getting in some offence to the guys in the ring, not the shield. He could then have been jumped by the shield or whoever with the numbers game.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:29 PM   #621
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I know this has to be 4-6 months down the road, but how awesome would it be to have DB getting beat down like that, having Cena make his return, come to the ring, have JBL say those famous words


"But whose side is he on??"


And boom, nail DB with the A.A.

I'd poop in my pants
That whole segment was based on the "future" of the company, so I see how it makes complete sense to turn your mainstay into a dick.
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Just got to be patient. We can all probably agree the show is better than it was 6 months ago. Let the coffee brew. Let the story keep building. Like someone said here, its only been 1 day.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:31 PM   #623
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Just got to be patient. We can all probably agree the show is better than it was 6 months ago. Let the coffee brew. Let the story keep building. Like someone said here, its only been 1 day.
Good insight.
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Think y'all are missing the point. Top face in company doesn't intrinsically mean he has to follow the exact mold of Austin at the top. That would be silly. Bryan's character has NEVER been a parallel to Austin's. Having Bryan come out "guns blazing" and mowing down the Shield and sliding into the ring and nailing everyone with finishing moves n shit would be totally out of character for him. He's always been kind of a meek character, not some gun-toting beer-swilling redneck who's abrasiveness is his calling card.

Of course, you do want your top guy to be booked to look strong (give it more than one show), but to chastise the WWE for not booking Bryan exactly like Austin is ridiculous.

And even then, if they did, people would be whining that "they've seen this all before". Same old IWC.
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Ugh, no. Stop it.

"He shouldn't come out like a dumb asshole" doesn't mean "he shouldn't come out at all". If he had a weapon or something, he could have come out without being a lamb to the slaughter.
See, I disagree. Bryan will more than likely be in many situations in the next few months, maybe even next week - where he wants to get his hands on Orton/HHH/Vince but has to get through the Shield, Maddox, and whoever else they want to add assuming it does become a proper stable. I figure it'd make more sense for Bryan to seriously "snap" later on. Having him maniacally running out with a kendo stick (same weapon he beat Orton with a few months ago) would be a much cooler moment if it happens after he's already been fucked over/fell for the trap.

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Think y'all are missing the point. Top face in company doesn't intrinsically mean he has to follow the exact mold of Austin at the top. That would be silly. Bryan's character has NEVER been a parallel to Austin's. Having Bryan come out "guns blazing" and mowing down the Shield and sliding into the ring and nailing everyone with finishing moves n shit would be totally out of character for him. He's always been kind of a meek character, not some gun-toting beer-swilling redneck who's abrasiveness is his calling card.

Of course, you do want your top guy to be booked to look strong (give it more than one show), but to chastise the WWE for not booking Bryan exactly like Austin is ridiculous.

And even then, if they did, people would be whining that "they've seen this all before". Same old IWC.
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I agree. Its too soon, under the circumstances we saw on TV, for Bryan to have the upper hand that quickly. Daniel Bryan can take a beating, but he can also give one. If Daniel Bryan looks too good tonight, the heels don't get anything out of it. Bryan has already been established as the underdog, let the heels establish themselves a little bit more, then you can have some more give and take.
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Indeed. Would've liked to see Orton played up a little more than he was, but again, there's time for that as well.
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They played him up enough. Can't have him played up too much because everybody knows what a boring, unreliable piece of shit he is.
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RAW was good this week even with the ending being a bit weak.

Do agree that Bryan coming back after being kicked out was a bit of a let down since all it lead was him getting beaten up several times but it did establish that The Shield are now part of the new Corporation.
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Heel HHH is truly an awe-inspiring television experience. I had goosebumps. I've still got that special tingle I haven't felt in 7 years. Truly amazing what WWE has put together here. My only hope is that they tease this out for a good 4-5 years.
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I enjoyed Raw tonight.

I have no complaints about how things went.
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See, I disagree. Bryan will more than likely be in many situations in the next few months, maybe even next week - where he wants to get his hands on Orton/HHH/Vince but has to get through the Shield, Maddox, and whoever else they want to add assuming it does become a proper stable. I figure it'd make more sense for Bryan to seriously "snap" later on. Having him maniacally running out with a kendo stick (same weapon he beat Orton with a few months ago) would be a much cooler moment if it happens after he's already been fucked over/fell for the trap.

Just my 2 cents.
I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't saying that Bryan coming out to get destroyed didn't further the story. I was just pointing out that you were potentially misinterpreting Tedious's post.
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I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't saying that Bryan coming out to get destroyed didn't further the story. I was just pointing out that you were potentially misinterpreting Tedious's post.
Fair enough. I just thought it was fine as is. I'm seriously interested in where this goes, and knowing Cena is out they really do have a chance to strike absolute gold here. They pretty much have to, really.

In general this is the first 3 hour Raw I've remained interested in throughout in months.
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I see nothing wrong with the way the story went tonight. Fact is some are comparing this to Austin who is 6'2 252lbs, while Bryan is 5'8 200 lbs. it makes perfect sense to me that he got worked over.

What would make me question this is if they had DB surprise the McMahons somehow, as if Noone has ever messed up a "coronation" before.

They were expecting it, and sent the message. It may happen for a month straight, but when It's DB's turn to strike back, that's how this story will be defined, and how high DB's star can go.
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So you would rather Bryan be the first face in the history of wrestling to get unjustly kicked out of the arena and look like a huge bitch by not trying to come back? Glad you're not in charge.
As opposed to what he did, which was to stroll right up to the evil power machine, ostensibly believing their clearly empty promises and succumbing to the beatdown?

And yeah, I'd have rather seen him be the first guy to do that because at least it would have been something new. I'd rather had them keep Bryan off the rest of the show and let the crowd simmer over it. Do the same thing next week, except at the end of the show cut on the Tron to Bryan sitting on top of a limo informing the bosses that he's learned from the things that happened to Austin, Foley, Rock, and Cena, and that he isn't going to play their little game. Talk about how he understands that it only feeds into their sense of power. Have him shake up a can of spray paint like he's going to deface the limo, then toss it aside and say he doesn't have to do that because it wouldn't get him what he wants. Pick up a sledgehammer and make to swing it, and then just drop it and say that doesn't get him what he wants. He doesn't need to wreck things, because he isn't Stone Cold.

The notion that Bryan HAD to come out is conventional, but it's stale and boring. This was the establishment of the new heel machine and no, Bryan shouldn't have come out on top, but making Bryan look like a brainless moron was just a dumb move.
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You know what else would have been better? Do EXACTLY what they did tonight, except hide the Shield under the ring and have them come out and attack when Bryan got there.
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Terrible Terrible Raw tonight due to a few reasons

1) Nobody was talking about the travesty that befell Christian at Summerslam when he was screwed out of the WHC by a crooked referee.

2) Christian didn't even appear, except at the top of the ramp at the end of the show.

3) It looks like Rob Van Damn (ugh) is in line for the next WHC shot. Ricardo should have announced Christian, and Christian should have cut a killer promo and announced that he has been granted one more match.

4) Failing Ricardo introducing Christian, it would have been a really choice spot to reintroduce Hunico as a major babyface star. Since ADR is going on about how he is now a hero to all "lower-class" Mexicans, Ricardo could have found a "lower-class" Mexican who disagrees. Hunico cuts a killer promo about how ADR isn't his hero, and blah blah blah. Really, anyone would have been better than RVD.
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The Daniel Bryan/McMahon/HHH stuff was alright, I guess, but the above stuff RUINED THE ENTIRE SHOW
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that reminds me, is Hunico dead?

where has he been?
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