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Old 03-13-2004, 02:30 PM   #1
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The Official WWE Smackdown vs. Raw Thread

Yeah, the HCTP thread seems to be dead, so I figure I'd start one for Smackdown 6.

Discuss what you want/who you want to see in the game.

One thing I'd want to be able to do is to have certain moves that DON'T automatically go into a pinfall.

For instance, say I'm RVD. If I'm in a Royal Rumble or Ladder match or a match that doesn't involve pinfalls, I don't want to have to go into a pinfall and allow my opponent to get back up, so here's an idea:

If I'm RVD in a Rumble match, I go to the top rope. I press L1 to do the Five Star Frog Splash, I hit the move, but I don't pin automatically.

Now, if I were in a singles match, I could press AND HOLD L1 and then I'd get the animation of him hitting the 5 Star and then rolling over for the pin.

Also, I'd like to see the Bra and Panties match taken out, it's completely pointless.

And no legends either, if I want legends, I'll create them myself.



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Old 03-13-2004, 02:48 PM   #2
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w00t first post of SD6 topic. Along with the one in SD5 thread on old school forums.

Anyway

I hope they change the way in the rumble, if you get eliminated and quit, then someone whose already been eliminated DOESN'T win.
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Old 03-13-2004, 03:11 PM   #3
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Since I'm bored, here's a list of people I'm predicting are going to be in the game, I'm going to be basing it off of the current direction of the WWE, and I'll be using the same amount of wrestlers that were in HCTP (62)

1. The Rock
2. Triple H
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. The Undertaker
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Kane
7. Kurt Angle
8. Chris Jericho
9. Chris Benoit
10. Big Show
11. Edge
12. Christian
13. Eddie Guerrero
14. Vince McMahon
15. Paul Heyman
16. Eric Bischoff
17. Booker T
18. Rob Van Dam
19. Chavo Guerrero
20. Rey Mysterio
21. Charlie Haas
22. Shelton Benjamin
23. Mark Henry
24. Mark Jindrak
25. Garrison Cade
26. Bubba Ray Dudley
27. D-Von Dudley
28. Rikishi
29. Scotty 2 Hotty
30. Tajiri
31. Jamie Noble
32. John Cena
33. Randy Orton
34. Ric Flair
35. Batista
36. Danny Basham
37. Doug Basham
38. Matt Hardy
39. Test
40. Scott Steiner
41. Shannon Moore
42. Nunzio
43. Johnny Stamboli
44. Chuck Palumbo
45. Billy Gunn
46. Matt Morgan
47. Rob Conway
48. Rene Dupree
49. Sylvan Grenier
50. A-Train
51. Hardcore Holly
52. Trish Stratus
53. Victoria
54. Lita
55. Stacy Keibler
56. Torrie Wilson
57. Sable
59. Stephanie McMahon
60. Dawn Marie
61. Gail Kim
62. Molly Holly

Other possibles:

Brock Lesnar - If he doesn't leave.
Goldberg - If he doesn't leave.
Jeff Hardy - If he comes back.

Looks like a pretty decent roster to me.
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Old 03-13-2004, 04:27 PM   #4
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Id like the option to break up submission moves in tag matches. My freinds and I are setting up challenges in which were taking on the top 3 ranked guys (old school taker goldberg at 94 and HHH at 91) and were the three lowest guys mostly created on smackdown level. everytime a indian lock or dragon sleepers applied on a member of the team I cant break it up and eventualy whoever has it on taps.

Id love for decent commitary as well...Also when its a six man match (I hope they up it to 8) and every wrestler comes down by himself the other wrestlers disapear during the entrance. id like to see them in the ring while the rest of the guys come down or at least standing outside the ring. Also attacking someone as they make there entrance like on RAW for X-BOX.
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Old 03-13-2004, 04:42 PM   #5
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Vito, how dare you leave Ultimo Dragon off that list, yet have Stacy Kiebler?
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Also, I'd like to see the Bra and Panties match taken out, it's completely pointless.

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Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
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one thing I thought would be good, is if the royal rumble would be more reallistic, i'm talking about, punching them so they lean back on the ropes, then grapple, and a submission bar will appear, you have to get them to submit aka, lifting them completely over the top rope, i got tired of rico kicking me and flying over the top rope

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I like the pinning/non pinning finisher idea.

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I would like a few moves that HOLD an opponent for someone to hit ala. no mercy

that would rule.
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Id like to see fatal 4 tag team matches
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Vito, how dare you leave Ultimo Dragon off that list, yet have Stacy Kiebler?
I was going based on where I see the WWE going in the next couple of months, and sadly, I see nothing for Ultimo Dragon.
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Old 03-13-2004, 05:57 PM   #11
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I was going based on where I see the WWE going in the next couple of months, and sadly, I see nothing for Ultimo Dragon.
he... he could win the cruiserweight open.

And he's won matches on the last 2 smackdowns. That counts, right?
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What I want in Fantasy Preview format..:

Placeholder Title: "SmackDown!: You're Next" (If he somehow stays)

Kalyx Tr-IGN Insider:

The new Smackdown game promises to improve on several aspects while adding new gameplay mechanics.

-Even faster arcade gameplay! But oxymoronically more realistic as well!

-That pin-option idea in the first post!

-Breaking up submissions!

-Improved Create-an-Intro interface! No more Music-Moves-Movie set-up! Tweek lighting, animations, pyro, and specialized timing for entrance and pyro!

-Complete overhaul of Original Music! The three year old list is banished!

-New three-man stable entrances! Better tag team entrances!

-Multiplayer season!

-Commentary NEVER returns!
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Hmmm....let's see. What would I like to see in SD6?

-More ways to interact with a table. Like, if you try a move off the top, and your opponent rolls off the table, you go through instead.

-Breaking up submissions AND normal moves (like in Fire Pro)

-More reversal animations

-AI that gets smarter on harder difficulty levels instead of just being a cheap sonofabitch

-Completely redo the stats system so that "strength" isn't the only one that's worth two shits. (ex: Rey Mysterio beats on Big Show for a full 5 minutes, then Show does the exact same amount of damage in 3 moves and wins )

-OR, have alternate movesets for each wrestler: like, an alternate to use against cruiserweights, another against Hosses, etc.

-Power and signature moves should be more easily reversed until some actual damage is done.

-Cage and Ladder matches re-done so they last longer than 5 seconds (like in Wrestlemania 2000, where your spirit meter reflected how long you could climb)

-Change it so that doing superplexes and stuff off the ladder hurts your opponent, not just you (anyone else run into that?)

-While we're at it, how's about adding some new spots for cage matches? (slamming the opponent into the steel, superplexing him off the top, etc)

-If you're going to put commentary back in, take a hint from the various football games out there on how to do it without it sucking.

-For season mode, make the area-specific damage system last long-term. Like, if you keep taking damage to your arm, the arm will eventually get injured. Something like that.

-A 2-Disc set. One for the game itself, one for the CAW section, which could make enough room for TONS of new things (create-an-entrance, possibly even the long saught-after "create-a-move," etc)

-Oh, and bring back the Casket Match. I dunno why; I just loved the Casket match in SD2.
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Old 03-13-2004, 09:46 PM   #14
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Add newer and more weapons..I get tired of 2 chairs a sledge and table being the only thing under a ring and if your going to have annouce tables at least put people at the tables..maybe add a few camera men walking around wether interactive or not.
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Old 03-14-2004, 08:10 AM   #15
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An entire revamp on how stable's work. The stable's in HCTP are a complete farce.
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I recon you get the chair from the annoucetable
a belt (if you're the champ) from the time keeper table also take the bell
the sledge hammer from the announce table (that's where get get the hammers now anyway.
a table from the top of the ring, a ladder from the right side of the ring

trashcans and random hardcore weapons from the left side

and something from the bottom i dunno what.

...actually, it'll be good to be able to select which weapons you pull out and from where, like when you're creating a superstar, you select the weapons they get i.e.

top of ring = table
left side of ring = trash can
Right side of ring = Ladder
Bottom of ring = bamboo cane

you know?
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Weapon moves take more damage on the oppenent then regular moves. I'm not talking about how HCTP meter took you down, because that was too easy to get your oppenent down with, I'm looking for something more realistic. Other then that I don't know how to explain it.

Rag-Doll physics. Not overexcessive where they practically bend completely backwards into and O but realistic physics. That would make the damage system so much easier it's not even funny.

More weapon animations.

Larger arenas with revamped crowd fighting. So you can walk through the crowd and go to the back my like by the entrance. This one is kind of far fetched though.
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Easier CAW feature
More wrestlers
Title defense in Exhibition
Larger stables
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Create-An-Entrance
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Extra music and videos
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Almost forgot, custom entrance music. Kind of like RAW I guess but for a SD game.

More creative control over entrances too.
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-Completely redo the stats system so that "strength" isn't the only one that's worth two shits. (ex: Rey Mysterio beats on Big Show for a full 5 minutes, then Show does the exact same amount of damage in 3 moves and wins )

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That's the case dude.
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Almost forgot, custom entrance music. Kind of like RAW I guess but for a SD game.

With the HDD out next week, you KNOW that'll be there.
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This is what I think should be in it---

You should be able to do more stuff with Tables

If someone is in a Stable with you they should help you out in Royal Rumble's

You should be able to Back Body Drop People over the top rope.

More Legends should be in it

there will be more posted in the future

Maven should be in it.
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Hmmmm...

Overhaul the damage system. Recovery time should be affected by the damage taken. Damage should also do more than affect you on occasion.

Howabout improving thhe hit detection and making it look like wrestlers are actually grabbing one another?
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With the HDD out next week, you KNOW that'll be there.
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This may well have been mentioned before, too, but howabout the custom entrances from like Raw 2 or Wrestlemania XIX? Time pyro and smoke and such and make it look all spiffy.


One thing that I hate from the Smackdown series is the prefab entrances. You have to copy someone line for line. A lot of times, that just doesn't fit.

Also, I'd like to see custom "signature" moves. You know how some moves have an intro animation, a mini "taunt" of sorts? Think Last Ride, or something similar.
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:14 PM   #30
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Old 03-18-2004, 04:14 AM   #31
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Something that I just thought about..

I liked how in Raw you could attack a wrestler while he was entering the ring. I dont know if its in Raw 2 since I havnt played it but I loved that about Raw.
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Old 03-18-2004, 05:21 AM   #32
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- Some way to get your roster updated all the time

- And Please no legends

- Create an Belt, Create an PPV, Create an Brand would be cool 2 IMO,Creat
an Match

- Online function would be cool 2

- Better Story Line, not as short as Smackdown 5

- A way to get out of Submission moves faster

- Burried alive match, 8 man tag

Thats all i can think of at the moment.
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Old 03-18-2004, 07:34 PM   #33
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I actually liked the one-year systenm, I just hope they throw in more variety so that it doesn't feel like you're playing the same year over and over again.

And I really think that there should be a point where if you beat someone bad enough and hard enough they won't get up at all.

And the ability in CAW to edit superstar's attire.
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Old 03-23-2004, 09:28 AM   #34
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I can see the 7 minute Lottery Draft cut-scene now. Or rather, have the season mode start several months before the event so you could really be on the edge of your seat as to what show you may end up on. Or rather...

This may seem radical, but how about an online mode where created characters face off on a schedule similar to real life (house shows and such)? You register your character and the server places you on say Raw 21 or Smackdown 36 (numbered for the fact the so many people will register that there'll be more than one Raw and Smackdown). You start out house shows and such, eventually doing the big time thing after you established a certain level; as with most MMORPG.

When you're placed on a Raw or Smackdown, you're privilaged with options similar to Raw2's 'cool concept-bad execution' season mode interface. Since you don't know what other players have planned for the night, the events and user made story-lines should prove more entertaining than the real programs.

Server masters will serve as the GM's of your particular Raw or Smackdown. They'd be real people who, for the sake of the product, will indeed play the heel or face role to enhance the story. You can ask them questions and request titles shots like the current SD season mode, except they'd be real WWE employees. Incase you're wondering who'd take a job like that, remember I stated that the shows will run at certain times. So it isn't a 24 hour gig.

Yes you can get injured. Me and my friends played with this idea that your initial limbs (legs, arms, head, torso) have something of an 'Season-Life-Bar'. The SLB depletes if for some reason one of your limbs have been taking exclusive damage match after match. (This also adds to the already decent submission-limb attack element strategy). Apon being injured, you'll need to play work out minigames to refill your SLB. YOU can choose to comeback after a certain amount of time, but will you risk returning to action on an SLB that isn't completely refilled..? Oh the drama.

Ofcourse you can sit back and watch the show. Imagine, having to choose to watch the ongoing rivalry between me and Kane Knights characters on Raw 6. Or watching Siphiroth and shaggy's ladder match at a PPV game. (Names choosen for sake of examples.)

Also, to give a certain draft storyline consistancy, every Raw server has a 'brother' Smackdown server. So you'd be smart to watch the exploits of Raw 24 if you're playing in Smackdown 24; cause you may end up in that 'locker room'!

Players will choosen based on performance to cut promos, where with a trust USB Logitech keyboard, you could try and out do The Rock's funniest mic time.

My brains smashed, I'll come back when new stuff is in.
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:11 PM   #35
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...Four player Bra and Pannies match won't kill either, considering it was actually fun to play once a week.
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Old 04-01-2004, 01:36 AM   #36
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Better manager system: Teddy Long, Paul Heyman, Ric Flair and Divas can be managers, which contribute to angles in the season mode

GM mode: Beat the other brand by booking the best matches, making the best trades, and drafting folks from the OVW (who would be el generico wrestlers creaded by random CAW assignments). Something similar to the GM modes in the EA Sports franchise.
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Old 04-03-2004, 10:21 PM   #38
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If managers do indeed make it in, the ones I'd want to see are: Theodore Long, Paul Heyman, Stacy Keibler, Trish Stratus, Miss Jackie, and Chavo Guerrero Sr.
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Old 04-04-2004, 11:55 AM   #39
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If managers do indeed make it in, the ones I'd want to see are: Theodore Long, Paul Heyman, Stacy Keibler, Trish Stratus, Miss Jackie, and Chavo Guerrero Sr.
A coulpe of those names are in there anyway, dude. Infact, you can choose anybody to be your manager in the the last two or three SmackDown! games. It wouldn't make much difference, they all grab legs.
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