Official RAW Thread for 03/29/10 - This one's gonna be a Heartbreaker. [Archive] - Page 4

el bobbo

03-30-2010, 03:09 AM

Like he said, "It's my farewell speech and I'll say whatever I want".

PLUS...he was praising the one REAL AND TRUE LORD...so...

LOL.

I'm a "non-believer" and I didn't think anything of this. Shawn had about 20 minutes to say whatever he wanted and I feel it was the most tasteful and appropriate segment on Raw in a long time. He became a better person and a better performer because of it and I will not bring my atheism into what I watch on television.

I didn't realize how much I would miss HBK until he lost at Wrestlemania on Sunday. The latest installment of DX kind of fucked me up.

I got to see the very first Hell in a Cell match in 1997. Undertaker v. HBK w/ Kane ruining it for the deadman. That was probably one of the coolest live events ever.

Zen v.W.o.

03-30-2010, 03:14 AM

In my opinion, even guys the caliber of Jericho and Angle had their best matches with Shawn.

Cena's best match to date that I've seen was with Shawn. Not sure about HHH, but it's damn close at the very least.

Austin's best match could have been with Shawn, had Shawn not been injured when they did face, and then take time off after that.
Even still, they had two fantastic matches.

Think about his Summerslam match with Hogan. It was NOWHERE NEAR Shawn's best match, and it was arguably the best of Hogan's career.

Nah Austin and Hart had much better chemistry together and the matches they had were way better together then either the KOTR or WM match Austin had with HBK. Greatest WM match of all time. WM13.

Aguakate

03-30-2010, 03:15 AM

I believe the greatest WM match of all time was the Iron Man Match at WM12 between Bret and Shawn. A pure wrestling classic.

St. Jimmy

03-30-2010, 03:19 AM

FUCK MUDKIP,

I HERD U LIEK
http://www.thewrestlingpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/040306hbk1.jpg

HTrain90

03-30-2010, 03:36 AM

Nah Austin and Hart had much better chemistry together and the matches they had were way better together then either the KOTR or WM match Austin had with HBK. Greatest WM match of all time. WM13.

While I'm not going to agree wholeheartdely, I will agree in part. Bret and Austin had fantastic chemistry - both had better chemistry with each other than they did with Shawn. WM13 was magic, plain and simple. Best non-HBK match of all time, IMO.

But the fact that I have to say "best non-HBK match" is why HBK is on a level by himself. HBK brought the best out of nearly everyone he was paired with. He made Taker look like gold (not hard to do) and dragged a very good match out of Hogan when Hogan could barely move (very tough to do). Hell, he told a fascinating story with Vince at WM24, and made a 5* classic with Shelton Benjamin on an episode of RAW.

While some pairings will have amazing chemistry (like Bret and Austin), there will never be someone as good as Shawn in terms of making the absolute best out of nearly each and every person he faces. The thing that is most amazing is that over the past 2 or 3 years we've all come to expect Shawn to be the best, and he still delivered up to his very last match. I never once was left disappointed by a Shawn Michaels match - that is why he is the greatest of all time. Period.

Gonzo

03-30-2010, 03:36 AM

Downloading a torrent now of Wrestlemanias 1-25, says it has 5 days left because there are only 3 seeders. :mad:

HTrain90

03-30-2010, 03:39 AM

'PLEASE DON'T GO' Was what got me.:(

I was ok until they hit his music. Knowing that I won't hear that blaring from my TV with that live arena feel to it again for quite some time (if ever) was a somber thought. That was the real tear-jerker. I will wake up in the morning and still not believe it. Heaven only knows what I'll think when I watch RAW next week, knowing that the HBK segment that I've watched for as long as I've been a wrestling fan won't be coming. :(

Zen v.W.o.

03-30-2010, 03:47 AM

While I'm not going to agree wholeheartdely, I will agree in part. Bret and Austin had fantastic chemistry - both had better chemistry with each other than they did with Shawn. WM13 was magic, plain and simple. Best non-HBK match of all time, IMO.

But the fact that I have to say "best non-HBK match" is why HBK is on a level by himself. HBK brought the best out of nearly everyone he was paired with. He made Taker look like gold (not hard to do) and dragged a very good match out of Hogan when Hogan could barely move (very tough to do). Hell, he told a fascinating story with Vince at WM24, and made a 5* classic with Shelton Benjamin on an episode of RAW.

While some pairings will have amazing chemistry (like Bret and Austin), there will never be someone as good as Shawn in terms of making the absolute best out of nearly each and every person he faces. The thing that is most amazing is that over the past 2 or 3 years we've all come to expect Shawn to be the best, and he still delivered up to his very last match. I never once was left disappointed by a Shawn Michaels match - that is why he is the greatest of all time. Period.

Hey, Love HBK as a wrestler too, but I think there's two people you can say that about, and one of them includes Bret. Especially in the 90's,...look at all the wrestlers he gave their best matches to. He could go with them all.

Yoko, Bam bam, Mr Perfect, Owen, Bulldog, Piper, Diesel, Lawler, Backlund, Hakushi, Austin. Had Bret not had that stroke, he would have been wrestling longer and still puting up match of the year contenders...he was barely trying in wcw and still gave great matches to DDP, Sting, Savage, and had the match of the year with Benoit. At about the age HBK is at now.

They're both great.

Jeritron

03-30-2010, 04:04 AM

Nah Austin and Hart had much better chemistry together and the matches they had were way better together then either the KOTR or WM match Austin had with HBK. Greatest WM match of all time. WM13.

I didn't say Shawn had better matches with Austin. Read the post before you start in about Bret

Juan

03-30-2010, 04:21 AM

FUCK MUDKIP,

I HERD U LIEK
http://www.thewrestlingpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/040306hbk1.jpg

I don't get it.

The Fraze

03-30-2010, 05:38 AM

Hmm....

Last Man Standing? Probably a check here too.

Royal Rumble 2004

Jeritron

03-30-2010, 05:50 AM

I was curious why they didn't have Shawn's family and the lockerroom come out. They didn't after Raw went off the air either.

Maybe Shawn didn't want that

Dark One

03-30-2010, 06:01 AM

I think Orton is more over than Cena :D

He got a bigger initial pop than Shawn, I think.

And Jesus for that matter.

Dark One

03-30-2010, 06:06 AM

Time to go pop in Bad Blood 2004. I remember sitting in the third row right by the ramp, watching Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H in Hell in a Cell.

Sixx

03-30-2010, 06:11 AM

http://data1.blog.de/blog/v/verzaubert/img/The-Kliq---HHH-Kevin-Nash-HBK-Scott-Hall-XPac.jpg

Nash's got some huge hands, he covered Hunter's nose.

Also, FANNY PACKS.

moonface

03-30-2010, 12:24 PM

he will be back. they all come back.

also bret hart > shawn micheals

The Franchise

03-30-2010, 12:28 PM

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9164/brethart9xo.jpg

#BROKEN Hasney

03-30-2010, 12:48 PM

Got Summerslam 2002 on right now. HBK/HHH Street-Fight <3

#BROKEN Hasney

03-30-2010, 12:55 PM

I'm laughing at them saying he's back for this match only though. I'm glad it wasn't the case.

Mr. Pierre

03-30-2010, 01:11 PM

I might be digging here, but I think we should put a check next to the traditional Survivor Series match, as he led Team Austin against Team Bischoff. His performance in that match was awesome

DAMN iNATOR

03-30-2010, 01:16 PM

moonface

03-30-2010, 01:52 PM

the gold dripping of his neck.

wrestling was so good back in the 90's :(

Mr. C

03-30-2010, 10:00 PM

I love that Jack Swagger is being treated seriously, as he’s just waiting to cash in on John Cena. The opening was awesome with the tease of cashing in Money In The Bank, and hopefully, they push him hard as a heel. I’m still surprised he won. I really hope they don’t have him lose when he uses MITB though.

I really like Randy Orton as a face. The guy doesn’t even have to do or say anything, and the fans are all over it. Cena/Orton together was awesome.

I’ve loved watching Shawn Michaels from WrestleMania XII with Bret Hart onward. It was that match that made me a fan of both men. These last few months have been a bit of nostalgia with both of them, and it was an aligning of the planets that Hart could be around for all of this as he was as much a part of Michaels’ career as Michaels was of his. They’re forever tied, through thick and thin. Triple-H coming out for a minute at the end was also great. Michaels has to go into the Hall of Fame sooner than later. Here’s to Owen Hart being inducted into the Hall of Fame next year along with Michaels.

8/10

Stickman

03-30-2010, 11:25 PM

I always said id probably stop watching wrestling when Shawn Michaels leaves, then Rock/Austin/DX happened and i forgot all about it but funnily enough now that HBK is actually gone, i feel different, like the last piece of my childhood has been taken from me. HBG is the greatest wrestler ever

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

The Fraze

03-31-2010, 03:54 AM

I'm glad Orton didn't change at all even though he was teaming with Cena and getting a huge face pop. That's probably what draws people to him, he's so evil looking.

Jeritron

03-31-2010, 03:58 AM

I'm laughing at them saying he's back for this match only though. I'm glad it wasn't the case.

I think that was originally the idea, but he did so well that they brought him back again fulltime.
The elimination chamber was incredible

The Fraze

03-31-2010, 04:02 AM

The 2002 chamber was the first, and best. The reaction HBK got when he won the title was unbelievable. It totally makes me tear up. I can't believe that's the last time he won it considering the fact that he outperformed the young guys on a nightly basis.

Jeritron

03-31-2010, 04:04 AM

HBK is living proof that the amount of title reigns, or length of title reigns don't matter

Londoner

03-31-2010, 04:06 AM

I think length of title reigns matter to some, but certainly not someone like HBK.

The Fraze

03-31-2010, 04:14 AM

Totally, for 8 years he stole the show without winning another WWE or World Championship.

Juan

03-31-2010, 05:21 AM

HBK is living proof that the amount of title reigns, or length of title reigns don't matter

:y:

The Franchise

03-31-2010, 05:22 AM

TAKE THAT HUNTER! :D

The Fraze

03-31-2010, 03:18 PM

I'm a Triple H mark but no matter how many titles he wins, if he takes over the company or not, or whatever, he's always been missing something that The Rock, Austin, and HBK had. For some reason he's just never made it to that level to me.

James Steele

03-31-2010, 04:05 PM

I'm a Triple H mark but no matter how many titles he wins, if he takes over the company or not, or whatever, he's always been missing something that The Rock, Austin, and HBK had. For some reason he's just never made it to that level to me.

FUCK YOU. Triple H isn't missing anything. He was the ultimate heel when the company needed him most. If it wasn't for Triple H, the WWF would have folded when Austin's neck couldn't hold up and The Rock had no heels to face but Triple H. If it wasn't for Triple H, then the Attitude Era would have been lacking that extra push from 2000-2001. I even dare say that Triple H is the only superstar from the attitude era with the heart, passion, desire, and balls to stay true to his first love and passion...the art that is professional wrestling. I implore you to think before you post such ridiculous and blatantly smarkishly bullshit remarks.

CSL

03-31-2010, 04:12 PM

lol what. He hardly buried him did he. Triple H has never been on the level of Rock or Austin, even when he was at the very top of his game in 2000/early 01. This is just the truth, nothing more. No hidden smark agenda to hold your man down on the internet or anything. You tell him to think about his remarks yet blindly defend and slobber over Trips at every opportunity.

ORANGE-LOCKE

03-31-2010, 04:14 PM

I'm a Triple H mark but no matter how many titles he wins, if he takes over the company or not, or whatever, he's always been missing something that The Rock, Austin, and HBK had. For some reason he's just never made it to that level to me.

You, Sir, have been

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/o/owned_at_a_football_game-12241.jpg

courtesy of Mr. James Emmitt Steele

CSL

03-31-2010, 04:16 PM

Good lord

James Steele

03-31-2010, 04:17 PM

Was it something I said?

James Steele

03-31-2010, 04:19 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Triple_H_WWE_Champion_No_Mercy_07.jpg

James Steele

03-31-2010, 04:20 PM

CSL

03-31-2010, 04:21 PM

Brilliant.

James Steele

03-31-2010, 04:22 PM

Brilliant.

I know, right?

The Fraze

03-31-2010, 08:23 PM

You didn't own anyone, motherfucker. Get off your high horse and stop thinking you're such a smart guy with your keyboard and Triple H avatar. That means nothing to me. However, your argument for Triple H is valid and he is a megastar. He's not The Rock and he's not Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Triple H has never been at The Rock and Austin's level. I did not say that he's not brilliant in the ring, and an essential part of the attitude era. He did help the attitude era become what it was because he was that bad guy the company needed for The Rock and Austin to face. There just has always been something missing to catapult him up to the star power of The Rock and Austin. Nowhere in there did I tear him down, or make any remark that would have led anyone to believe so.

Skippord

04-01-2010, 06:03 AM

pretty sure James Steel would suck Triple H's cock given the opportunity

James Steele

04-01-2010, 12:48 PM

You didn't own anyone, motherfucker. Get off your high horse and stop thinking you're such a smart guy with your keyboard and Triple H avatar. That means nothing to me. However, your argument for Triple H is valid and he is a megastar. He's not The Rock and he's not Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Triple H has never been at The Rock and Austin's level. I did not say that he's not brilliant in the ring, and an essential part of the attitude era. He did help the attitude era become what it was because he was that bad guy the company needed for The Rock and Austin to face. There just has always been something missing to catapult him up to the star power of The Rock and Austin. Nowhere in there did I tear him down, or make any remark that would have led anyone to believe so.

How about you take your own advice and quit hiding behind your Hello Kitty Cocksucker Keyboard and dildo-optical mouse. Just because you have your head so far up your ass that you get pissy about my opinion tells me that you are fucking bonkers. I don't listen to people who are bonkers. Triple H isn't The Rock or Stone Cold but please tell me this...WHO THE FUCK IS? Yes, Triple H is not one of the BIGGEST FUCKING STARS OF ALL TIME. There are only 5 names that are on that level: Austin, Rock, Hogan, Andre, and Flair. You said Triple H was missing something that Rock, Austin, and HBK had...please tell me what it was other than a face run during the Attitude Era? Please tell me what he is missing other than not fitting into your cookie-cutter bullshit beliefs about wrestling. As I said before, FUCK YOU. Also, I did own you. I own your fucking soul and I will sell it to Goldberg so he can kick you in the fucking skull, and hopefully he will then proceed to skullfuck you. Have a nice day, assclown.

pretty sure James Steel would suck Triple H's cock given the opportunity

James Steele wouldn't.

The Fraze

04-01-2010, 02:51 PM

You're ridiculous dude. You refuse to see all the positive things I mentioned about Triple H. All I said was that he was missing something. A face run could have been it, but it's not. And it's hard to say what it is because he is that damn good. There's just something I can't put my finger on.

And Goldberg is terrible so that's probably all he'd be able to do, kick me in the skull and end my career because he can't wrestle worth a damn. I can't believe that any Triple H mark would ever like Goldberg.

I am not hiding behind my keyboard because I am not making myself look like a fool by making threats to you as you are to me. As long as you keep that up, you'll look ridiculous, and pathetic.

James Steele

04-01-2010, 03:33 PM

You're ridiculous dude. You refuse to see all the positive things I mentioned about Triple H. All I said was that he was missing something. A face run could have been it, but it's not. And it's hard to say what it is because he is that damn good. There's just something I can't put my finger on.

And Goldberg is terrible so that's probably all he'd be able to do, kick me in the skull and end my career because he can't wrestle worth a damn. I can't believe that any Triple H mark would ever like Goldberg.

I am not hiding behind my keyboard because I am not making myself look like a fool by making threats to you as you are to me. As long as you keep that up, you'll look ridiculous, and pathetic.

How dare you imply I am a Goldberg fan.

James Steele

04-01-2010, 03:34 PM

You're ridiculous dude. You refuse to see all the positive things I mentioned about Triple H. All I said was that he was missing something. A face run could have been it, but it's not. And it's hard to say what it is because he is that damn good. There's just something I can't put my finger on.

And Goldberg is terrible so that's probably all he'd be able to do, kick me in the skull and end my career because he can't wrestle worth a damn. I can't believe that any Triple H mark would ever like Goldberg.

I am not hiding behind my keyboard because I am not making myself look like a fool by making threats to you as you are to me. As long as you keep that up, you'll look ridiculous, and pathetic.

I might be ridiculous, but at least I am not a flip-flopper.

AngryMidjit

04-01-2010, 03:41 PM

pretty sure James Steel sucked Triple H's cock

Juan

04-01-2010, 03:44 PM

The Fraze, you'll learn soon enough that Triple H is immune to criticism when you're around James Steele.

I'm actually surprised he's able to type so well with Hunter's nuts in his mouth.

James Steele

04-01-2010, 04:42 PM

The Fraze, you'll learn soon enough that Triple H is immune to criticism when you're around James Steele.

I'm actually surprised he's able to type so well with Hunter's nuts in his mouth.

He didn't get any in my eyes this time.

The Fraze

04-01-2010, 06:41 PM

THE JUAN

The Fraze

04-01-2010, 06:43 PM

All this is, is a difference of opinion and not really worth arguing over. Especially because we both are into Triple H. Obviously Mr. Steele is a bit more into him, but that's ok.

This feud can only take us so far, but perhaps The Fraze vs. James Steele could be a headlining match of sorts.

James Steele

04-01-2010, 11:56 PM

All this is, is a difference of opinion and not really worth arguing over. Especially because we both are into Triple H. Obviously Mr. Steele is a bit more into him, but that's ok.

This feud can only take us so far, but perhaps The Fraze vs. James Steele could be a headlining match of sorts.

It would be better than anything Juan could pull off.

Damian Rey

04-02-2010, 12:04 AM

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/113/l_3d42a97895dd4c9e9135a949075b02fa.jpg
:'( At least I got to see him live just once.

Xero

04-02-2010, 12:05 AM

I saw his last title win live.

:cool:

Plus a few HBK classics, including the Mania 20 main event and his return in 2002.

Damian Rey

04-02-2010, 02:48 AM

I saw his last title win live.

:cool:

Plus a few HBK classics, including the Mania 20 main event and his return in 2002.

That's fucking sweet. I wish i could've seen Survivor Series 02 live.

"SHAWN MICHAELS! SHAWN MICHAELS IS THE WORLD'S CHAMPION"

Epic call by JR.

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 02:56 AM

It would be better than anything Juan could pull off.

Perhaps Juan makes a cameo as special guest referee?

Juan

04-02-2010, 03:21 AM

I'm all booked up with refereeing gigs. Check with my agent.

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 03:28 AM

You just got an opening, THE JUAN. One of the fyw wrestlers was unable to do Wrestlefest which caused the show to not happen. Looks like you're open!

Juan

04-02-2010, 03:37 AM

lol i read that on facebook, but I assumed that it was gonna happen EVENTUALLY :-\

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 04:23 AM

I'm sure it will happen eventually. I just don't know when. I can't afford to ask for any time off right now. If I'm off, I'm off.

Juan

04-02-2010, 04:25 AM

god dammit, THE FRAZE

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 04:28 AM

I'm not the one who couldn't make the prior commitment!

Juan

04-02-2010, 04:30 AM

Who was it? I'll fix 'em

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:11 AM

In that case, Triple H and I have something in common.

moonface

04-02-2010, 05:17 AM

Wow where did my post go? Lol triple h's nose is bigger than his penis by the way.

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:26 AM

THE JUAN

Juan

04-02-2010, 05:27 AM

Let's ban Juan for a bit

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:28 AM

Juan is too badass to be banned.

moonface

04-02-2010, 05:30 AM

Lol don't delete my posts nigga.

Juan

04-02-2010, 05:36 AM

is "nigga" a popular word in Europe?

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:46 AM

I don't think I've ever used that word or any variation of it.

moonface

04-02-2010, 05:51 AM

Yes nigga is very popular word over here in europe. As is fuck you, and also terribly big dickfaces :lol:

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:52 AM

Damn...

Jeritron

04-02-2010, 05:53 AM

Do they have Taco Bell over there?

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:54 AM

I'm so fuckin hungry right now. But I'm going to bed.

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 05:54 AM

After I reach 610 posts, BOOM.

moonface

04-02-2010, 06:39 AM

Do they have Taco Bell over there?

No we don't what is it? We have nandos though which is immence.

Juan

04-02-2010, 06:43 AM

lol

Xero

04-02-2010, 06:53 AM

I'm all booked up with refereeing gigs. Check with my agent.

I bet I hate the way you count.

James Steele

04-02-2010, 12:46 PM

I am about to eat at Cracker Barrel for lunch. I will eat the chicken and dumplings as if they were The Fraze and Juan's souls.

CSL

04-02-2010, 12:50 PM

There are Taco Bell's on Yank army bases [/Valuable thread contribution]

CSL

04-02-2010, 12:51 PM

And I could go for some Fraze and Juan souls rn, pretty hungry

Juan

04-02-2010, 03:39 PM

I'm bad for you

The Fraze

04-02-2010, 03:47 PM

Shit, my soul is being sought after.