Official RAW Thread for 04/05/10 - Otunga: Google Him

[screech]

Don't understand how you can have the World Champion can lose a non-title match.

[rob11]

Orton goes to SD?

[Providence Peep]

Diana Hart Smith agreed to be a part of the video?????

[Nark Order]

Swagger didn't look BAD in the match...

Well, right. Not really the point though. If you're going to have a more "unknown" or "up and coming" champion then you have to make him look legit with solid clean wins over top competition.

[screech]

Swagger didn't look BAD in the match...

Yes, but he is the World Champion. He should not be losing non-title matches.

[Krimzon7]

Exactly why the fuck isn't Owen in the HOF?

[Londoner]

Or Cody :(

cody's out cause of 'the punt' at mania

[Providence Peep]

Are we expecting new tag champs?

[Providence Peep]

Exactly why the fuck isn't Owen in the HOF?

Because his wife is a vengeful cunt

[Providence Peep]

cody's out cause of 'the punt' at mania

Thanks, TL. I forgot about that.

[Krimzon7]

Narc/Screech, valid points... now where the fuck is my....dammit, wrong thread.

[Nark Order]

Because his wife is a vengeful cunt

This. To her, Vince might as well have shot Owen in the head on live television.

[Nark Order]

THE HOFF

[Providence Peep]

This. To her, Vince might as well have shot Owen in the head on live television.

Holding onto resentment is very healthy :nono:

[HBPunk]

id be stunned if Cena/Otunga win, im guessing Otunga screws Cena so he loses, he tries to side with ShoMiz but they are having none of it, Otunga turns around into an AA to close the show, possibly a final Batista appearance too. Fuck David Hasselhoff

[Providence Peep]

I like the NXT theme

[Nark Order]

WE ARE WILD AND YOUNG

[Johnny Vegas]

Yes, but he is the World Champion. He should not be losing non-title matches.

This isn't HBK circa 96-98. He is not Cena. Would you guys stop digging so deep into it. He is not even a RAW competitor. Besides, RKO is the man.

He can definitely pick up wins over the likes of Jericho, Edge, Morrison w/o making any of them look bad. Just chill and watch.

[HBPunk]

Cena has been out 10 times now?

[ClockShot]

So is Orton gonna get another crack at RKOing Cena, or can I just call it a night?

[Providence Peep]

Cena has been out 10 times now?

Not as out as Ricky Martin

[HBPunk]

This isn't HBK circa 96-98. He is not Cena. Would you guys stop digging so deep into it. He is not even a RAW competitor. Besides, RKO is the man.

He can definitely pick up wins over the likes of Jericho, Edge, Morrison w/o making any of them look bad. Just chill and watch.

Thank you, the fucking whinging on this site is amazing, fucking stop watching if ya wanna complain all day

[HBPunk]

Not as out as Ricky Martin

or you after that comment

[Providence Peep]

How nervous is David Otunga right now?

[HBPunk]

How nervous is David Otunga right now?

probably 4

[Providence Peep]

probably 4

4 what?

[screech]

This isn't HBK circa 96-98. He is not Cena. Would you guys stop digging so deep into it. He is not even a RAW competitor. Besides, RKO is the man.

He can definitely pick up wins over the likes of Jericho, Edge, Morrison w/o making any of them look bad. Just chill and watch.

What exactly is he World Champion of if people beat him? They aren't on the same show, so it's not likely Orton is getting the next title shot (not considering the draft here). It serves no purpose for Orton to win clean.

Swagger losing makes the belt look meaningless and him [as the champion] look weak. He is not being built up to "reach the next level" and trying to "earn respect," he is the World Champion.

[Providence Peep]

Hey HBPunk, did you know people are allowed to voice their opinions?

[Nark Order]

Screech has it. It's not that we're complaining that it's the end of the world or anything it just doesn't make much sense. Orton didn't need the rub at all, Swagger desperately did. How do you put over your new champion by pointlessly jobbing him to an established star?

[Nark Order]

OTUNGA HEEL TURN

[ClockShot]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

[HBPunk]

What exactly is he World Champion of if people beat him? They aren't on the same show, so it's not likely Orton is getting the next title shot (not considering the draft here). It serves no purpose for Orton to win clean.

Swagger is not being built up to "reach the next level" and trying to "earn respect," he's the fucking World Champion.

Ya but hes a kid like Sheamus, both title wins were met with shock cos they were shocking, they aren't even over properly yet, i think its a nice change from HHH/Cena/Orton/Batista. Why would Swagger go over Orton when he was on a losing streak 2 months ago. He beat a champion who had just been attacked

[Johnny Vegas]

What exactly is he World Champion of if people beat him? They aren't on the same show, so it's not likely Orton is getting the next title shot (not considering the draft here). It serves no purpose for Orton to win clean.

Swagger is not being built up to "reach the next level" and trying to "earn respect," he's the fucking World Champion.

Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.

[Londoner]

just switched back over, saw the powerbomb

[HBPunk]

Hey HBPunk, did you know people are allowed to voice their opinions?

No?? I thought they smelled opinions. whats a voice?

[Londoner]

its extreme rules, except for chairshots to the head!

[Nark Order]

Ya but hes a kid like Sheamus, both title wins were met with shock cos they were shocking, they aren't even over properly yet, i think its a nice change from HHH/Cena/Orton/Batista. Why would Swagger go over Orton when he was on a losing streak 2 months ago. He beat a champion who had just been attacked

Well, I'm sure that if WWE was going with a storyline like this they would've mentioned it. As far as we're supposed to know, Swagger is WWE Champion. End of story. They should book him as such.

[Providence Peep]

Cena was so bored with RAW tonight that he fell asleep in the ring!

[ClockShot]

Last Man Standing re-match at Extreme Rules.

Whoop-dee-doo.

[The Show Off]

Wow Impact and Raw thread have almost the same amount of posts.

[HBPunk]

Well, I'm sure that if WWE was going with a storyline like this they would've mentioned it. As far as we're supposed to know, Swagger is WWE Champion. End of story. They should book him as such.

Yeah your right they should tell us, Otunga should have opened the show and said 'here comes jack swagger, now hes not to be taken serious guys, its just for a few weeks'

[Providence Peep]

Otunga looks like a smaller version of Batista. A "mini me" troll :lol:

[HBPunk]

Wow Impact and Raw thread have almost the same amount of posts.

= same ratings so :shifty:

[HBPunk]

Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.

spot on again, talk to narc

[Johnny Vegas]

Lol i love how Swagger wins the championship via "cash-in" when an opponent is down and out, and Swagger is supposed to be unbeatable. Even rookie QBs who are drafted into the NFL aren't the top five QBs in the league until a couple of years. C'mon people, lets not get TOO technical about everything with wrestling. I think that is one reason why fans aren't as "hot" as they used to be because they: 1) Think they know everything and how everyone should be handled 2) won't chill and relax and drink beer and enjoy the damn show. God i miss ECW.

[screech]

Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.

It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.

[Nark Order]

Yeah your right they should tell us, Otunga should have opened the show and said 'here comes jack swagger, now hes not to be taken serious guys, its just for a few weeks'

I meant that they would've mentioned the "rags to riches" transformation.

[Nark Order]

Lol i love how Swagger wins the championship via "cash-in" when an opponent is down and out, and Swagger is supposed to be unbeatable.

Nobody said that.

[HBPunk]

It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM

[Nark Order]

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.

/thread

[screech]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM

Where did I say he should be able to beat everyone? I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it:

The World Champion should not be losing one-on-one, non-title matches.

Whomever holds the World Championship is supposed to be the top guy [kayfabe here, kiddies]. Don't see the leap of logic here.

[Johnny Vegas]

It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.

screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98. Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.

Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?

[Nark Order]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM

So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.

[Johnny Vegas]

Nobody said that.

Ok, he should not be "losing non-title matches" aka non-title match unbeatable.

[Nark Order]

screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98. Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.

Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?

Screech has said that he's referring to one on one NON-TITLE matches like 9 times now, thus making your example irrelevant. This is a basic wrestling concept here. You book your champion as your top guy until there is a guy to challenge him on a money card. You don't job him out in non-title matches that don't necessarily mean anything.

[HBPunk]

Where did I say he should be able to beat everyone? I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it:

The World Champion should not be losing one-on-one, non-title matches.

Whomever holds the World Championship is supposed to be the top guy [kayfabe here, kiddies]. Don't see the leap of logic here.

How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main h=guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE

[HBPunk]

So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.

YES

1) Edge won and lost 3 weeks later
2) Punk won and traded the belt with Jeff all summer

MITB winners arent pushed hard and made to look dominant

[HBPunk]

So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.

and you are a CAPITAL CUNT

[The Show Off]

= same ratings so :shifty:

Not what I'm saying at all...

[HBPunk]

How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE

1 more time

[The Show Off]

YES

1) Edge won and lost 3 weeks later
2) Punk won and traded the belt with Jeff all summer

MITB winners arent pushed hard and made to look dominant

You forgot RVD who jobbed to marajuana posetion.

[HBPunk]

You forgot RVD who jobbed to marajuana posetion.

theres another example, im guessing he would dropped either the ECW/WWE title soon after anyway

[Johnny Vegas]

Screech has said that he's referring to one on one NON-TITLE matches like 9 times now, thus making your example irrelevant. This is a basic wrestling concept here. You book your champion as your top guy until there is a guy to challenge him on a money card. You don't job him out in non-title matches that don't necessarily mean anything.

See, this is exactly why wrestling is "dead". Because everyone thinks they know "wrestling" and should be bookers, writers, etc. I'm not saying that the writers are brilliant, but c'mon. You guys need to chill out about little shit like this. And it doesn't matter if it is title or non-title matches, no one is understanding the concept that IM trying to illustrate. The way he won his title is what i am talking about. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have some type of credibilty, i understand where screech is coming from from a "credibility" standpoint. But like i said, the guy won the shit from a guy with "taped up ribs", just got his ass speared, and was barely "conscious" for the "match" they had. If everything was so predictable like you guys make it, it would be boring. (Cena is another story).

A guy who wins the Heisman Trophy in football for like 2 years out of his college career is not going to go into the NFL and dominate or "not lose non-title matches". He is stepping into a WHOLE different level of players/athletes. I mean, its evolution and simple logic. Narc wants to talk about logic, well the Big Show should be winning every god damn match he is put in lol. But he is not, the business is portrayed as "you can lose any night, any time, any show. Be on your A-game and get ready". Swagger is going to do fine as champ, IMO. The guy will "learn" from his mistakes and will not "lose non title matches" as much because he realizes what level he is on now. That is modern day logic about ANYTHING pertaining to a type of "sport" or "Sports Entertainment" for this matter.

[screech]

screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98.

Kane lost the belt the day after he won it (don't like it, but it happened so whatever). That has nothing to do with this. We are talking about a champion not losing non-title matches, not the champion losing his title.

Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.

That is the nature of Money in the Bank. The whole idea is/has become to take advantage of a situation and become "The Man." The opponent should not matter, whether it's a six time champion or a new guy. The champion is supposed to be seen as THE guy. Again, if he loses, there is no reason for him to have the belt.

Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?


Again, that is the nature of the case. He earned it, and picked his spot to win the title. That means [once again, kayfabe] he is above everyone else. He should be treated as such to build the title's credibility and his own as the champion.

[Nark Order]

All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.

[HBPunk]

See, this is exactly why wrestling is "dead". Because everyone thinks they know "wrestling" and should be bookers, writers, etc. I'm not saying that the writers are brilliant, but c'mon. You guys need to chill out about little shit like this. And it doesn't matter if it is title or non-title matches, no one is understanding the concept that IM trying to illustrate. The way he won his title is what i am talking about. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have some type of credibilty, i understand where screech is coming from from a "credibility" standpoint. But like i said, the guy won the shit from a guy with "taped up ribs", just got his ass speared, and was barely "conscious" for the "match" they had. If everything was so predictable like you guys make it, it would be boring. (Cena is another story).

Dont forget that Narc and Screech and others are the people who complain about the title always on the same few guys. WWE should just drop the idea of a 'Champion'

[HBPunk]

All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus.

You are obviously thick as shite so man, tell Vince you know better

[screech]

How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main h=guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE

How he won the title is irrelevant here. I don't know how many ways it can be said: The World Champion should be treated as the top guy, no matter who he is. If that is not the case, then there is no reason to have a World Champion, as he would be just like everyone else.

[HBPunk]

Kane lost the belt the day after he won it (don't like it, but it happened so whatever). That has nothing to do with this. We are talking about a champion not losing non-title matches, not the champion losing his title.

How do we make a contender for the title if the champion cant lose non title matches?

[screech]

All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.

At least someone gets it.

[Nark Order]

How he won the title is irrelevant here. I don't know how many ways it can be said: The World Champion should be treated as the top guy, no matter who he is. If that is not the case, then there is no reason to have a World Champion, as he would be just like everyone else.

[HBPunk]

All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.

Ya he fell one way and Cena fell through a table, he didnt even put Cean through it, again another champion booked as a fluke champion, fuck me

[HBPunk]

At least someone gets it.

ya your fucking boyfriend

[Nark Order]

No, he put John Cena through a table in a tables match. How many things are you going to over-analyze here?

[HBPunk]

Look keep yer opinions, as assbackwards as they are, ill keep mine so lets shut the fuck up

[screech]

How do we make a contender for the title if the champion cant lose non title matches?

Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.

[Johnny Vegas]

lol C'mon Narc, Sheamus won by how HBPunk said..both fell and Cena happened to fall through a table, thus ending the match.

C'mon.

[HBPunk]

No, he put John Cena through a table in a tables match. How many things are you going to over-analyze here?

Ye started it by complaining. if he put cena through a table tell me what move he used? and why he also fell off the ropes?

[Johnny Vegas]

Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.

Nothing wrong with that logic. But dude, you and Narc, you do NOT see where i am coming from at all?

[HBPunk]

Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.

Exactly! i agree with this method but swagger didnt do this, he has no 'respect' which is why Cena gave him none and he took the champion to the ten second mark

[screech]

The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.

[screech]

Exactly! i agree with this method but swagger didnt do this, he has no 'respect' which is why Cena gave him none and he took the champion to the ten second mark

Once again: nature of Money in the Bank.

[Johnny Vegas]

The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.

ok lol.

Im done guys, good night.

[HBPunk]

The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.

what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?

[Nark Order]

He won the match in the only way you can possibly end the match. He put him through the table. My god you guys.

You know, you would've all come across better in the beginning had you not tried to pull the "So, Swagger should just never lose ever? He should be completely unbeatable?" deal. Nobody ever claimed any of that. This ONE EDITION of Monday Night RAW was poorly booked in terms of the World Heavyweight Championship. You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.

[HBPunk]

ok lol.

Im done guys, good night.

yup ill join you ;)

[Nark Order]

what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?

Strawman. Again.

[HBPunk]

He won the match in the only way you can possibly end the match. He put him through the table. My god you guys.

You know, you would've all come across better in the beginning had you not tried to pull the "So, Swagger should just never lose ever? He should be completely unbeatable?" deal. Nobody ever claimed any of that. This ONE EDITION of Monday Night RAW was poorly booked in terms of the World Heavyweight Championship. You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.

I read the first line, sweet dreams princess :kiss:

[screech]

what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?

I am saying what I've been saying all along: the World Champion should be treated as the top guy. There would be no point in having champions if they were not held in a higher regard than everyone else on the roster.

[screech]

You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.

[HBPunk]

Book my penis guys, im out. Difference of opinion...































Narc and Screech are still wrong tho

[screech]

...Difference of opinion...

:lol:

[The Gold Standard]

I am not sure how I felt about Raw. I think Otunga did a good job, but nothing really stood out, well except Swagger losing.

[screech]

I still don't see the connection between Otunga winning a battle royal and hosting RAW. Why was that such a prize?

[Mr. Pierre]

I understand the point of people hating how Swagger lost clean, but I have no problem with it.

Swagger (like some previous MITB winners) is viewed as a "fluke" Champion as of right now, who needs to prove that he can hang with the main event players. I think it would be a bit too much to see Swagger going over Orton clean already. He had a great performance and looked strong against RAW's rising babyface. In my opinion, a clean loss would have hurt Orton more than it would Swagger.

It seems as though WWE's plan may be to let us watch Swagger "grow up", mature as a champion, and slowly prove himself to be a main eventer night in and night out, and not just all of a sudden.

Now, I'm not saying Orton pinning him clean was the best option, because I would have preferred a DQ (or they not face at all), but I honestly don't think this hurts Swagger much at all.

[The Gold Standard]

I still don't see the connection between Otunga winning a battle royal and hosting RAW. Why was that such a prize?

He was barely on Raw.

[Damian Rey]

I was a little disappointed Swagger did a clean job but Orton has been uber hot as of late, and Swagger all of a sudden being able to beat top guys despite being in obscurity for over 6 months makes little sense.

I understand the "top guy should be booked like the top guy" argument and I agree with it, but at the same time Swagger should not just be able to dive right in a find success. I think the match should have been booked with either Swagger going over Orton after hitting with the belt or getting dq'd, or just walking out of the match in frustration that he could't beat Orton, which would lead to count out.

Either way, it was a great match, and I almost want Orton on SmackDown! so he can chase.

[Skippord]

I think Orton might be my favorite character in WWE right now

[Damian Rey]

I think Orton might be my favorite character in WWE right now

:y: I'd much like an Orton title chase.

[St. Jimmy]

Otunga is almost as intolerable as Cena.

[RKO'em]

UHHHHHHH

Where's MVP?!

[Damian Rey]

Otunga is almost as intolerable as Cena.

It's pretty obvious he is going to somehow make it out of NXT and get a push fro the start. The only thing he has going for him is his mainstream wife. Yes, he's got a good look, and the gimmick is pretty much built in, but he's going to get shoved down our throats.

Just wait until he cracks the main roster. It's going to be a brutal summer.

[St. Jimmy]

I took your advice and Google'd him and I KNEW HE LOOKED FAMILIAR!

http://www.buythecase.net/uploads/products/200/3900000805.jpg

[St. Jimmy]

Also like there's a black Cena, there's a white Ortega

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/blog/images/vanilla_ice.jpg

[HBPunk]

Also like there's a black Cena, there's a white Ortega

Ya his name is Ariel Ortega and he used to play soccer for Argentina, who the fuck are you talking about? Think your so funny with your little cereal box joke and its not even the right name, what a massive prick

[DaVe]

lol Punk you throw a spaz over anything, my goodness. settle down kid.

[HBPunk]

lol Punk you throw a spaz over anything, my goodness. settle down kid.

Ah fuck it dude, im just having a laugh :) some people need to be told whats what though and i get a kick out of it

[screech]

...I would have preferred a DQ (or they not face at all)...

The two facing makes sense because Orton pinned Swagger in the tag match last week, but I don't like how the match ended. It would have been better if what you suggested happened...



...I think the match should have been booked with either Swagger going over Orton after hitting with the belt or getting dq'd, or just walking out of the match in frustration that he could't beat Orton, which would lead to count out.

...or this happened. While going over clean would have helped Swagger (and really should have happened given that he is "The Man"), it may have hurt Orton. It also may not have hurt him, since it could have been seen as Swagger getting revenge for last week (that's a bit of a stretch though).

Either of these two finishes would have been better scenarios, because they would have shown Swagger as a more credible champion without hurting Orton.

[pira-girl]

You'd think bringing back Gail Kim would resuscitate the Women's division.

Instead we got Eve getting a shot at the Diva's title.

Sad.

no it's not sad, in fact i'm glad, but I don't get the hat Eve gets everywhere:( and turn around and act as if Maryse is "teh greatez" ever:rofl:

And they already tried Gail, and that title match stunk, so let's hope they put on a decent match next week

[Anybody Thrilla]

I just want to take this opportunity to say that Swagger/Orton was very entertaining.

[HBPunk]

no it's not sad, in fact i'm glad, but I don't get the hat Eve gets everywhere:( and turn around and act as if Maryse is "teh greatez" ever:rofl:

i really have no idea what this post means, in any language.
Maryse cant wrestle
Eve cant wrestle

Next week both will miss a lot of moves, at least one big moment will be botched and it will last about 1 minute and 20 seconds, it WILL suck

[Jordan]

Eh... worst Raw in a long time.

[Anybody Thrilla]

What was so bad about it, though? There have been much worse Raws in pretty recent history even.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah, RAW was actually pretty decent last night. It was ALMOST like they were actually trying for a change. I'd give it a 7 out of 10.