Who should NOT have been made the champion?

[BizarroKing]

Since we had a topic about people that should have been champions, I felt we should have a topic that covers the opposite: Who was a champion (any champion) that simply didn't deserve it
(examples could include: Not a good wrestler, wrong gimmick, too soon, etc)

So far, the only one I have is: David Arquette (self-explanatory)

[bigslimjj]

Jack Swagger

[El Tigre]

Honestly, R Truth as US champ should have never happened. His work up to to that point had been no more than average, and he only kept it for what a week? maybe 2? Their was no point for it.

I actually feel it's a shame though as I was a fan of his during his time in TNA and when 1st informed of his arrival in WWE I had high expectations. But he was more or less buried.

[thedamndest]

A lot of Divas but it's understandable especially with two belts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Great Khali as World Heavyweight Champion.

[Providence Peep]

Honestly, R Truth as US champ should have never happened.

Why not? He's decent in the ring and hugely "over" with the crowd. What's Up?

I actually feel it's a shame though as I was a fan of his during his time in TNA

The only thing I liked about him in TNA was the early days when he was the racist black guy and holding the TNA title bashing all the rednecks. His run in 3LK was decent, that angle had so much potential, but TNA...you know.

[Biggz]

Ric Flair winning the IC belt. He was already old, boring and washed up when he won it. I feel his 16 World titles should have been enough. When he held the IC title I felt he was taking away from the younger guys instead of trying to give back. He didn't need or deserve the IC belt in my opinion.

[Nicky Fives]

Flair & Piper winning The World Tag Titles.....

[erictheking]

bob backlund that time before kevin nask/diesel took it from him 24 hours later 0- waste of time aand made no sense

[JimmyMess]

Vince Russo... I don't care if he vacated it. It was ridiculous

[jskinnyg]

David Fucking Arquette...

[bigslimjj]

Stephanie as women's champ.

[Schlomey]

Kane. I mean they let him hold the belt for 24 hours. He is the star of many jokes because of this. It would have been better he not held the title at all.

[jskinnyg]

I agree totally Schlomey... It's absolutely horrible that VKM & CO. haven't let him hold the title for a good reign...

[Schlomey]

His character has never been about world titles or any title for that matter. He was blessed as tag champion with his brother Undertaker which serviced a few good storylines...But yeah, Kane didn't need and doesn't need a title to be relevant.


He realizes this it seems so good for him.

[jskinnyg]

He is the best worker and gets everyone over, and I am sure VKM pays him very well to do so... Probably the best example of this...

Then you have guys like the Goldusts, Finlays, Malenkos, Snows, Blackmanns, etc... They all worked their asses off too...

[Mooияakeя™]

I don't count Arquette cos that's a fucking joke not to be believed.

Khali, Mysterio, Big Show, Batista (pretty much all times).. fuck even McMahon himself, although it did suit the feud and that was just mega over back then and it was 6 days!, Backlund in 94 too.

In recent times, Seamus and Swagger's reigns came too early imo. I'd have loved Miz in the title frame more than Seamus, especially with his mad "streak" thing with Cena a while back. That built him up nice. Seamus is not bad at all, just feel it was "rushed" and well ahead of time. Swagger, well, I like him, but I think there's not enough interest in him.

[dhellova guy]

Vince McMahon

[Schlomey]

Kane hasn't had a "push" in what feels like ages. Last time he got TV time was when See No Evil was coming out and honestly it was a big wash. May 13th anyone?

So yeah I 'm not a huge fan of his current schtick but glad he is getting time to be in a role.

[blak23]

David Fucking Arquette...

this trumps all

[blak23]

I don't count Arquette cos that's a fucking joke not to be believed.

Khali, Mysterio, Big Show, Batista (pretty much all times).. fuck even McMahon himself, although it did suit the feud and that was just mega over back then and it was 6 days!, Backlund in 94 too.

In recent times, Seamus and Swagger's reigns came too early imo. I'd have loved Miz in the title frame more than Seamus, especially with his mad "streak" thing with Cena a while back. That built him up nice. Seamus is not bad at all, just feel it was "rushed" and well ahead of time. Swagger, well, I like him, but I think there's not enough interest in him.

i didn't mind bats first reign

[Schlomey]

Swagger would have been better off winning money in the bank, cashing it in and LOSING & then turn this massive heel attacking the champion ....that way he would have had some massive heel heat before an inevitable title run....not that out of the blue (Superstars) title reign.

[Rev. Hallowell]

If you believe the IWC:

John Cena, Triple H, Big Show, Undertaker, Kane, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Khali, and anybody currently holding a title because he's not Daniel McBryanson.

[Schlomey]

this response is specially guarded ONLY for situations like this....So Rev. Hallowell....


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[Favre4Ever]

Mysterio's first run was a sham. If they weren't going to do it right, I would have preferred them to not have done it at all.

[MoFo]

Kevin Nash as any champ ever, the shittiest lazist wrestler ever FFS

also Yokozuna was a fat piece of shit and was fucking horrible as champ

[Savio]

Rey Mysterio

[Fox]

JBL - just because he's one of Vince's old boys, Bradshaw gets the push of the lifetime seemingly out of thin air. It seriously seemed like it happened over night. One minute he's this fat, Texas redneck in a cowboy hat carrying a cowbell on a rope, and the next he's this slick New York asshole who can actually talk. Anyways, as much as I enjoyed JBL from time to time, I never felt he deserved to carry the WWE Championship; especially considering he took it from Eddie Guerrero. Imagine if it had been Eddie as Champion against the rising star of John Cena? A heel Latino Heat and a still-hot Cena? Yeah. That should've happened.

[Cuse8]

the mountie as IC champ..held it for 24 hrs then piper beat him at royal rumble

[XCaliber]

Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

[Damian Rey]

Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

Maybe but the thing with Lesnar is that he got insanely over in a very short amount of time. They booked him to be dominant from the get go, going over the Hardys, RVD, etc.

It's not as if he entered the title picture without any heat form the crowd or any buildup, unlike Sheamus and Swagger, who were just inserted into the title picture at the most random of times.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Anyone who they weren't willing to let main-event Raw.

(Big Show's title "run")

[Kane Knight]

JBL - just because he's one of Vince's old boys, Bradshaw gets the push of the lifetime seemingly out of thin air. It seriously seemed like it happened over night. One minute he's this fat, Texas redneck in a cowboy hat carrying a cowbell on a rope, and the next he's this slick New York asshole who can actually talk. Anyways, as much as I enjoyed JBL from time to time, I never felt he deserved to carry the WWE Championship; especially considering he took it from Eddie Guerrero. Imagine if it had been Eddie as Champion against the rising star of John Cena? A heel Latino Heat and a still-hot Cena? Yeah. That should've happened.

JBL worked mostly because he was against Eddie. Eddie could get a good match out of a shit wrestler, and bradshaw was a shit wrestler.

Anyway, it was a bad idea which did really come from the fact that Vince liked him.

[Kane Knight]

Brock Lesner was pushed way too quickly.

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

[Damian Rey]

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

This. I don't get how anybody could say he was pushed too quickly when he was not only put over legitimate talent, but actually got over with the crowd PRIOR to getting the title.

[Schlomey]

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

:y:

[The Pope]

Sheamus

[Schlomey]

Sheamus

:n:

[Providence Peep]

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Brock had stayed in the WWE, he would have been even bigger. The only thing that probably would have held Brock back and probably did hold Brock back was his lack of passion. A WWE Superstar needs to have passion to excel. That's the key, IMO, and let's face it - it's one of the reasons why John Cena is so popular in the WWE Universe.

However, Brock WAS a breath of fresh air at the time and he delivered. He showed incredible in-ring psychology, physical ability, and athleticism in all of his matches. He had the look that was menacing and intimidating. He had a finisher that was unique and devastating. His intensity was unrivaled. I don't agree with the person who said Brock shouldn't have been the champion.

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[Schlomey]

Kevin Nash as any champ ever, the shittiest lazist wrestler ever FFS

also Yokozuna was a fat piece of shit and was fucking horrible as champ

Re: Kevin Nash - His original run in WWF as Diesel I was 10-12 years old. I loved this guy. I have not gone back and rewatched anything from his title reigns but I assume I'd still enjoy his work.

He did get lazy in WCW because he could be. He could talk & get over with his gimmick. Once the writing aspect got lazy he never really did step it up. Dunno why other than you may be correct that he is just lazy all together.

In TNA I haven't seen him wrestle yet. He still looks damn good as of last night and am enjoying seeing him come out with some actual emotion and not that "is he high" look all over his face. Time will tell if he gets into it again or not. It's take it or leave it for right now.


But saying that he shouldn't have been champ in WWF is what I disagree with. As a child I could not have agreed more with the WWF's decision to put the title on him.





Re: Yokozuna - He was over. Big time. He had a hated heel manager and the biggest mouthpiece in the company behind him in Jim Cornette. He made a good monster trans champion. Glad he never held the title as a face because that could have and would have been a train wreck. But for his time period and his character it was the only perfect timing for him to get a title reign in in his life / career.

[Providence Peep]

also Yokozuna was a fat piece of shit and was fucking horrible as champ

I completely disagree with you, and think he actually put on some entertaining matches for a guy his size. Don't you remember him doing his sidekicks, and then delivering a legdrop that could crush a skull? Do you remember how devastating his BONZAI drop seemed, and when he bonzai dropped the hell out of Hogan over and over again? Its unfortunate that he put on so much weight, but IMO he held a reign of terror as champion.

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Rey, this time and last (self-explanatory, wayyyyyyyy too small for that big-ass belt)

Vince McMahon (both the WWE and ECW title reigns were unnecessary, and only goes to show how self-centered he can be when he wants to).

[Gertner]

Yokozuna was an awesome champion.

If we want to go back a bit, Tommy Rich and Ronnie Garvin as NWA champs were horrible moves, as was Ron Simmons.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Had Lesnar stayed with WWE, he would likely be hailed as a major success story. People only dislike the way he was pushed now because of sour grapes.

Definitely. The crowd were foaming for him to unseat The Rock of all fucking people. His ring work was good enough, and just a month after winning his first WWE Championship, he'd go on to have a Hell in a Cell Match against The Undertaker which is still regarded as one of the best of its kind.

[BizarroKing]

Rey, this time and last (self-explanatory, wayyyyyyyy too small for that big-ass belt)

Can't even be called "World HEAVYWEIGHT Champion"

[RiX1024]

Vince McMahon as World Champ/WWECW Champ
Stephanie as Women's Champ
Randy Orton as WHC (2004) - give it a few months til he got over properly then give him the belt.
Kane as WWE Champ (1998) - Should of been longer not a 24 hour reign
Big Show as WWE Champ (1999) - Would of been effective after feuding with Bossman
Rey Mysterio - more of a sympathy biscuit when he first won it and now just to make the guy happy.

[BizarroKing]

Jeff Hardy-WWE/WHC. Granted I know he was suspended, but why couldn't he have longer runs with these belts? If this was the case, then don't give it to him at all.
Bob Backlund-WWE Champ 1994. He loses it in 48 hrs.
Spirit Squad-Tag champions. The stable was a joke, and while it was a interesting storyline with them defending the belts, I still thought it was ridiculous.
Hulk Hogan-1993 title run. Made Yokozuna AND Bret look like fools.

[Nark Order]

JBL was an excellent champion.

[Providence Peep]

Spirit Squad-Tag champions. The stable was a joke, and while it was a interesting storyline with them defending the belts, I still thought it was ridiculous.

Oh, c'mon! They were male cheerleaders! Didn't we all feel threatened by them?! :shifty:

[Providence Peep]

Jeff Hardy-WWE/WHC. Granted I know he was suspended, but why couldn't he have longer runs with these belts? If this was the case, then don't give it to him at all.

Want to see some strange shit?

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Can't even be called "World HEAVYWEIGHT Champion"

Yeah, might as well call it the fucking World Cruiserweight Championship while they're at it...that's why I really have to hope and pray that somehow against all the odds we see Swagger take back his belt Sunday, or that we see either one as champ at the end of the night only to have had Christian be SD!'s MitB winner, and have him cash in and win the belt at the end of the night to send the crowd home happy. Most likely a pipe dream, but I can still hope.

[Mooияakeя™]

Peep WTF is that shit. He has an epic horror right there. 2nd career if I ever saw one.

[Providence Peep]

Peep WTF is that shit. He has an epic horror right there. 2nd career if I ever saw one.

I warned everyone that it was strange shit. It's what happens when Jeff Hardy gets high, I guess.

[Dirk Ziggler]

David Fucking Arquette...

http://paunchstevenson.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/arquette_wcw.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, might as well call it the fucking World Cruiserweight Championship while they're at it...that's why I really have to hope and pray that somehow against all the odds we see Swagger take back his belt Sunday, or that we see either one as champ at the end of the night only to have had Christian be SD!'s MitB winner, and have him cash in and win the belt at the end of the night to send the crowd home happy. Most likely a pipe dream, but I can still hope.

It really annoys me when they change the name of the title whenever Mysterio wins it. Look, it's the World Heavyweight Title and Rey Mysterio stepped up to win it. Don't remove the "Heavyweight" just because of that. If you don't want guys who aren't heavyweights to win your Heavyweight Title, then don't book them to do such.

That being said, I don't really have a problem with Rey winning the title. He's a great talent. His first reign was booked into oblivion, though, and his second win came at a wrong point in time (Swagger was doing fine, and CM Punk was the other guy in the match that could have used the win). It being used as a bargaining chip makes sense, given that they wanted Rey to stay, but is a bit messy.

I've got a gut feeling that Mysterio won't be walking out of Money in the Bank "World Champion," though. It may be Swagger, it may be McIntyre or it may be Christian; but I have a feeling someone is taking the gold.

On an unrelated note:

I find it really odd that in discussions of bad champions, one who never comes up is Vince Russo. At least David Arquette's win was done as a publicity stunt. Who the fuck was Vince Russo to deserve a fluke win? But I didn't watch at the time, so maybe I was missing something?

[TannerLittleton]

Khali.

[MVP]

Gonna stick to world titles for this.

Ronnie Garvin - Not over

Diamond Dallas Page - Good worker, but he was given the title cause he was Bischoff's buddy, and I never bought him as World Championship material

Scott Steiner - He was given the World Championship because everyone was afraid to piss him off

JBL - Loved the gimmick, not a suitable champion though

[parkmania]

Who should NOT have been champion?

Mick "Yeah, like that'll put butts in the seats" Foley







I'm kidding, of course.

[Vastardikai]

Gonna stick to world titles for this.

Ronnie Garvin - Not over

You are correct here. However, the reason why he got that world title was because of a car accident that changed wrestling history. The belt was supposed to go to Magnum TA.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm going old school on you guys: Stan "the Man" Stasiak.

Stan only held the championship for nine days. It was perfect definition of a transitional title run as Bruno recaptured it and held it for another impressive run of about 3-4 years.

Also because of this reign as champion we were greeted to the great personality of Shawn "Meat Planet" Stasiak.

[Providence Peep]

I'm going old school on you guys: Stan "the Man" Stasiak.

Stan only held the championship for nine days. It was perfect definition of a transitional title run as Bruno recaptured it and held it for another impressive run of about 3-4 years.

Also because of this reign as champion we were greeted to the great personality of Shawn "Meat Planet" Stasiak.

Yeah the belt was put on Stasiak because the company wanted Bruno Sammartino as its champion, but didn't want Sammartino to defeat current champion Pedro Morales in the process. Stasiak was champion from December 1, 1973 to December 10, 1973, although he did have the talent and ability to hold the title longer.

[Gertner]

Transitional champs are very important in wrestling.

JBL was an awesome champion. I friggen loved him.

[Brock]

lakers again has world champ.. fuck kobe bryant!

[itsmeJD]

David Arquette was probably the worst choice, regardless of "mainstream" appeal. A) He is hardly what I would call a mainstream celebrity and B) There wasn't a bit of appeal to it. Shit all the way.

[Aguakate]

...Bob Backlund in 94.

NO REASON to have him beat Bret Hart at Survivor Series, only to take the belt away from him a couple days later in a 8 second match vs Diesel.

[Fox]

Gonna stick to world titles for this.

Ronnie Garvin - Not over

Diamond Dallas Page - Good worker, but he was given the title cause he was Bischoff's buddy, and I never bought him as World Championship material

Scott Steiner - He was given the World Championship because everyone was afraid to piss him off

JBL - Loved the gimmick, not a suitable champion though

DDP was so incredibly over in WCW it's not even funny. Even if he wasn't Bischoff's buddy, he deserved it anyways. He had awesome feuds and matches, cut great promos, and got the crowd fired up. He was a key player in the WCW vs. nWo storyline.

The real mistake was turning him heel right after he won it.

[Attitude99]

Jeff Hardy-WWE/WHC. Granted I know he was suspended, but why couldn't he have longer runs with these belts? If this was the case, then don't give it to him at all.
Bob Backlund-WWE Champ 1994. He loses it in 48 hrs.
Spirit Squad-Tag champions. The stable was a joke, and while it was a interesting storyline with them defending the belts, I still thought it was ridiculous.
Hulk Hogan-1993 title run. Made Yokozuna AND Bret look like fools.

This:y:

[Destro 2.0]

Hulk Hogan because there were thousands or different guys who had the same Charisma and could draw just as much.

Mike Rapada who the fuck is that guy. He beat Sabu for the NWA world title.
Larry Zybysko he was only AWA champion because was married into the Gagne family.

Goldberg in 2003 that whole run was just farce. It was what I like to call Uwe Boll booking because it made no fucking sense at all.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hulk Hogan because there were thousands or different guys who had the same Charisma and could draw just as much.



Name 5.

[McLegend]

I don't dislike the guy, but Jack Swagger.

He was given the title to get him over, and I'm usually not a fan of that.

[Jeritron]

I never felt Sid deserved the belt. A big reason for that is probably because his reign was plopped between the likes of Shawn, Bret, Taker and Austin.
I also thought he sucked. In fact I always thought Vader should have gotten the nod before he did.

Khali also comes to mind.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bump for Destro 2.0

[Next Big Thing]

Any diva other than Melina, Beth Phoenix, or Natalya Neidhart has no business wrestling as a champion although I would let Layla touch me.

My biggest gripe, Khali. Although I understand from a business perspective why Vince did it.

I'm not too mad about Swagger. I like the idea of Vince giving fresh faces a chance to sink or swim. It worked for Punk and Sheamus (he's grown on me), and I kinda want to see Miz cash in and go over Orton, even though Orton's the man right now.

[Innovator]

I don't dislike the guy, but Jack Swagger.

He was given the title to get him over, and I'm usually not a fan of that.
He got Orton'd worse than Orton, Swagger'd.

[Biggz]

I have to go with Mysterio. He never deserved it by accomplishing anything. They gave it to him the first time because Eddie died and he was his best friend. This time just to shut him up about the money thing. He's to small and very unconvincing as a champ.

[rated rjo]

Any diva other than Melina, Beth Phoenix, or Natalya Neidhart has no business wrestling as a champion although I would let Layla touch me.

My biggest gripe, Khali. Although I understand from a business perspective why Vince did it.

I'm not too mad about Swagger. I like the idea of Vince giving fresh faces a chance to sink or swim. It worked for Punk and Sheamus (he's grown on me), and I kinda want to see Miz cash in and go over Orton, even though Orton's the man right now.

Agreed.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bump for Destro 2.0

[Supreme Olajuwon]

still waiting on those names, babe

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bump for Destro 2.0

[Destro 2.0]

Alls I have to name is just one and one only. Thats all I going to name because its the stone cold truth and thats the Bottom line.

Bruiser Brody.

[Next Big Thing]

Wasn't Brody in World Class or maybe even Japan during Hogan's title run? You can't just pull someone who was working for a completely different company and use him to back up your claim that Hogan should have never been made champion.

Hogan's gimmick and look was perfect at the time and other than Macho Man or maybe Warrior later, I don't think anyone could have had his success in terms of drawing power and merchandising. Sure there were better wrestlers or better guys on the mic, but Hogan just inexplicably connected with fans.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Alls I have to name is just one and one only. Thats all I going to name because its the stone cold truth and thats the Bottom line.

Bruiser Brody.

Your claim was that there were a THOUSAND other wrestlers who could do what Hogan did. I asked you to name 5.

[Destro 2.0]

Its all about the Charisma and how they carry there selves. I mean what really got Hogan over was the Merchandise.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah you keep saying things like it's what I asked. Yet it's not what I asked. Hmm


Now please name the 5 wrestlers. You've got over 1000 to choose from.

[Destro 2.0]

Yeah you keep saying things like it's what I asked. Yet it's not what I asked. Hmm


Now please name the 5 wrestlers. You've got over 1000 to choose from.

Now are you losing sleep over this? Is it causing you extreme bouts of pain? Did it cause you to get laid off your job. Have you ended a relationship with aGirlfriend/Boyfriend? Because you must know these 5 wrestlers.

If i don't answer this question what are the consequences?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No nothing, I just wanted to be sure that you were full of shit. That's all.

[Destro 2.0]

No nothing, I just wanted to be sure that you were full of shit. That's all.

So because I don't answer your question it means I am full of shit. I mean you told me to name five wrestlers days ago. So it has bothered you so bad that you have bump about it until you get your way.

You can't always get what you want. I mean why has it bothered you that bad.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah still waiting on those names. Dunno what's taking you so long.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't even think I could name a thousand wrestlers. Yet you apparently not only know a thousand, but can name a thousand that could've been as good as or better than Hulk Hogan.

[Destro 2.0]

I don't even think I could name a thousand wrestlers. Yet you apparently not only know a thousand, but can name a thousand that could've been as good as or better than Hulk Hogan.

Its figure of speech and if its an internet flame war you are looking for go elsewhere. I may have numbers in my Name but in no way does that make me a troll. So take you bait plant it elsewhere because you have the wrong man.

[Destro 2.0]

Yeah still waiting on those names. Dunno what's taking you so long.

OK, Child since you insist. I have already named one so lets see.

Magnum T.A.
Jimmy Snuka ( Had he not killed his Girlfriend)
Curt Henning
Ric Flair

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nope.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well maybe Magnum, but LOL @ the other 3. Come on.

[Destro 2.0]

Look I understand you make polls around here that means you are big timer. But this is just forum not Locker room so before you think that I am some Newbie who must be hazed. Think about where you are at.

[Destro 2.0]

Well maybe Magnum, but LOL @ the other 3. Come on.

Umm in the Early 80's Snuka was on fire and as for Ric Flair when was the last Hogan wrestled in front of 190,000 people.