View Full Version : You know what the WWE needs to bring back?
Graveler
10-18-2010, 01:50 PM
This:
http://markplanet.cl/imagenes/wweproductos/titulos/WWE%20Plastic%20Cruiserweight%20Championship%20Title%20Belt.jpg
Damian Rey
10-18-2010, 01:58 PM
They already have the US and IC titles, the former of which rarely gets defended and really is an accessory.
Not to mention, outside of Evan Bourne, who would compete for the title?
Furious Beardsley
10-18-2010, 01:58 PM
You mean another belt that would lose all credibility faster than a sinking titanic? Remeber who the last champion was.
http://www.foroswebgratis.com/imagenes_foros/0/0/4/6/8/576805072207hornswoggle4.jpg
If it was done properly and given the necessary amount of air time and credibility to make the division work, then I say yes, the WWE is desperately in need of a consistently competitive, fast paced, constantly exciting aspect to their shows. Of all the things WCW did wrong, they did the Cruiserweight Division completely correctly, pushing awesome talents like Mysterio, Guerrero, Malenko, Jericho, Juvi, Kidman and so many others, and giving them the time needed to go out and put on the best match on the entire card, night in and night out. TNA has the same thing going with their X-Division for a very long time - showcasing awesome talents like AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Low Ki, Amazing Red, Kid Kash, and many more. Both titles gained instant credibility as a direct result. Ironically, Vince Russo took over the creative side of both companies, and both division suffered horribly.
If the WWE were to put together a cruiserweight division in the same vein as the WCW division and the early X-Division, hire a bunch of new smaller guys who can go in the ring (Jack Evans immediately comes to mind), and actually gave them the TV time needed to get the guys and the title over, then yes, they should do it. But in the current state of the WWE, I don't see that as a possibility, and if they're not going to do it right, then they shouldn't do it at all.
Rammsteinmad
10-18-2010, 02:25 PM
WWE should have their own version of the X Division. They got so many superstars that can really go in the ring but seem constantly lost in the shuffle.
They need a plastic replica of a title that was last held by Hornswoggle?
Couldn't you have voiced this opinion in the thread about the TV Title??
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 02:40 PM
Instead of the Cruiserweight Championship coming back, why not resurrect the Junior Heavyweight Championship, which they abandoned in October 1985 after the NJPW-WWF split, with the maximum weight limit be 235 lbs. It would bring a make a tremendous mid-card title. Think of the talent that would hold that title.
Please tell us more about this title that you mention...
Mooияakeя™
10-18-2010, 02:43 PM
If they fucked off the brand split, I'm all for it.
Graveler
10-18-2010, 02:44 PM
They already have the US and IC titles, the former of which rarely gets defended and really is an accessory.
Not to mention, outside of Evan Bourne, who would compete for the title?
who would compete for it? here is a set of wrestlers who fit the weight mininum for the title:
Tyson Kidd
Daniel Bryan
Justin Gabriel
Evan Bourne
Primo
Zack Ryder
Yoshi Tatsu
Caylen Croft
Kaval
Kofi Kingston
And hornswoggle being the last champion is even more reason why it should come back
Volare
10-18-2010, 02:51 PM
If they're going to make a new title, they need to make it where it can be defended on Superstars, and even change back and fourth. It could easily be defended on PPV's but it would also give people another reason to tune in besides it being right before Impact.
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 02:54 PM
Please tell us more about this title that you mention...
The WWWF/WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship was created in 1967. Its first champion was "Jumping" Johnny De Fazio, who would hold the title four times between 1967 and 1972, until he vacated the title upon retiring.
In 1978, after six years of inactivity, the title was reactivated and its first champion upon reactivating the title was Carlos Jose Estrada. When Tatsumi Fujinami defeated Estrada for the title in January 1978, the title was brought over to New Japan Pro Wrestling, where Fujinami became the pioneer of junior heavyweight wrestling and gave the title recognition around the world by defending it in Japan, United States, and Europe. Fujinami would hold the title twice, until moving up to the heavyweight division in October 1981.
Other champions included Ryuma Go, Tiger Mask, Black Tiger, Dynamite Kid, Hiro Saito, and the title's last champion The Cobra. In October 1985, New Japan and WWF split, as New Japan was developing their own junior heavyweight championship, the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship.
Yeah I'd like a title with a max weight limit. That'd actually kick ass.
Damian Rey
10-18-2010, 02:58 PM
who would compete for it? here is a set of wrestlers who fit the weight mininum for the title:
Tyson Kidd
Daniel Bryan
Justin Gabriel
Evan Bourne
Primo
Zack Ryder
Yoshi Tatsu
Caylen Croft
Kaval
Kofi Kingston
And hornswoggle being the last champion is even more reason why it should come back
Daniel Bryan is the US champion. Winning the crusierweight belt would be a demotion.
Justin Gabriel has been booked to look creible in losing efforts to Cena and Orton, and I don't think winning the cruiserweight title is going to help him any.
Kaval won NXT and has a title shot at his disposal. Why on Earth would he want to compete for a lowly title when he challenge for the company's top titles?
Kolfi Kingsto has held and was recently chasing the IC title not even a month ago. Having him in the CW division would be another push down the card for him
Those other guys you listed are so irrelevant that nobody would care enough to make the title mean anything.
Fox got it right. The only way it's going to work is if they hire a bunch of new guys that they can immediately supplement into the division, and give these new guys, along with Evan Bourne and a few others more than enough time to showcase their skills and put on exciting, fast paced matches. This is not what's going to happen. WWE doesn't book their mid card titles worth a shit. They're not going to book the CW title any better than they did last time.
It'd give at least some structure to a very random-seeming company.
Cruiserweights = jobbers.
Damian Rey
10-18-2010, 03:01 PM
It'd give at least some structure to a very random-seeming company.
How would it provide structure?
Damian Rey
10-18-2010, 03:01 PM
Cruiserweights = jobbers.
And jobbers=Evan Bourne. Dammit it's all making sense now!
JimmyMess
10-18-2010, 03:34 PM
As much as I'm all for seeing epic high-flying and technically sound matches between cruiserweights for something more than just wins, I disagree with bringing back a Lightweight championship, or Cruiserweight, or whatever.
With the way the product is promoted today, and for the past 7 or 8 years, the WWE and other promotions have begun showcasing the so called "little guys" as legitimate threats.
Look at past lightweight champions (WWF & WCW) in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
Chris Jericho
Jeff Hardy
Christian
Rey Mysterio
Eddie Guerrero.
These are all superstars who became a World Champion in a major promotion. What that tells me is these guys don't need a cruiserweight division to keep them divided from the rest of the roster. Why would they need to challenge other lightweights when they can go toe-to-toe with the Heavyweight title holder?
And like the other posters, the WWE is having a hard enough time dealing with their second-tier titles to even consider bringing back, or re-introducing another championship.
Aside from their staple character (a giant-sized human ala Batista, Cena, Trips), the WWE is showcasing these "smaller" superstars as on-par.
So why separate the two groups when we've come to realize a cruiserweight can break the Undertaker's face with his leg?
I disagree with the idea that a guy like Daniel Bryan, who is the US Champion, or Kaval, who won NXT, or even Rey Mysterio, who is a former World Champion, competing for a hypothetical Cruiserweight Title has to be viewed or portrayed as a demotion. If built correctly, it could simply be considered a DIFFERENT division - not better or worse. Much the way that the ECW TV Title was portrayed as being on par with the ECW World Title, at least for a time.
Look at the real life situation of a guy like Randy Couture; a man who won both the Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight UFC Titles. If he were to go back down to the Light Heavyweight division and compete, I don't think it would be seen as a demotion or fighting for a lesser title - just a different title.
edyhdrawde
10-18-2010, 05:57 PM
I could go for a cruiserweight title it they merged the Us and IC title's.
AJHayes
10-18-2010, 06:41 PM
Enjoyable programming?
Is that a good answer to the question?
Londoner
10-18-2010, 06:46 PM
No, they just need to make the titles they have meaningful, which they don't.
The WWWF/WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship was created in 1967. Its first champion was "Jumping" Johnny De Fazio, who would hold the title four times between 1967 and 1972, until he vacated the title upon retiring.
In 1978, after six years of inactivity, the title was reactivated and its first champion upon reactivating the title was Carlos Jose Estrada. When Tatsumi Fujinami defeated Estrada for the title in January 1978, the title was brought over to New Japan Pro Wrestling, where Fujinami became the pioneer of junior heavyweight wrestling and gave the title recognition around the world by defending it in Japan, United States, and Europe. Fujinami would hold the title twice, until moving up to the heavyweight division in October 1981.
Other champions included Ryuma Go, Tiger Mask, Black Tiger, Dynamite Kid, Hiro Saito, and the title's last champion The Cobra. In October 1985, New Japan and WWF split, as New Japan was developing their own junior heavyweight championship, the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship.
:roll:
Aguakate
10-18-2010, 06:52 PM
WWE needs to bring back those "Superstars vs jobbers" squashing matches on the "WWE Superstars" program. No joke.
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 07:12 PM
Speaking of the U.S. title, instead of using the NWA and WCW's lineage of the U.S. title, why didn't they used their own lineage of the U.S. title? The WWWF version of the U.S. title lasted from 1963, in which Bobo Brazil was the first and final champion, before abandoning the championship in 1976.
Aguakate
10-18-2010, 07:15 PM
Speaking of the U.S. title, instead of using the NWA and WCW's lineage of the U.S. title, why didn't they used their own lineage of the U.S. title? The WWWF version of the U.S. title lasted from 1963, in which Bobo Brazil was the first and final champion, before abandoning the championship in 1976.
Because today's wrestling fans don't care about history. All they care about is if Cena will go heel and take control of NeXus.
Speaking of the U.S. title, instead of using the NWA and WCW's lineage of the U.S. title, why didn't they used their own lineage of the U.S. title? The WWWF version of the U.S. title lasted from 1963, in which Bobo Brazil was the first and final champion, before abandoning the championship in 1976.
Because it was directly brought in through the buy out... Booker awarded it to Kanyon. It made 100% more sense to use the WCW lineage at that point.
Maybe because outside of you, nobody will recognise the names of former WWWF US Champs? Where as the likes of Austin, Dusty, etc still mean something in this day and age.
Seriously, apply logic instead of trying to constantly prove your wrestling knowledge.
AJHayes
10-18-2010, 07:42 PM
Speaking of the U.S. title, instead of using the NWA and WCW's lineage of the U.S. title, why didn't they used their own lineage of the U.S. title? The WWWF version of the U.S. title lasted from 1963, in which Bobo Brazil was the first and final champion, before abandoning the championship in 1976.
Maybe because outside of you, nobody will recognise the names of former WWWF US Champs? Where as the likes of Austin, Dusty, etc still mean something in this day and age.
Seriously, apply logic instead of trying to constantly prove your wrestling knowledge.
But... But... But, I need affirmation! I need people to think I'm cool! I need to show how I can look at wikipedia while I post so it seems like I have a vast knowledge of the biz!
...please pay attention to me.
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 07:46 PM
But... But... But, I need affirmation! I need people to think I'm cool! I need to show how I can look at wikipedia while I post so it seems like I have a vast knowledge of the biz!
...please pay attention to me.
I don't look at Wikipedia. I looked at old wrestling magazines.
AJHayes
10-18-2010, 08:09 PM
I don't look at Wikipedia. I looked at old wrestling magazines.
I can only assume you have a library that none of us could ever hope to aspire to. :roll:
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 08:15 PM
I can only assume you have a library that none of us could ever hope to aspire to. :roll:
That's right. It was passed to me by my father and I continued on.
Mr. C
10-18-2010, 10:00 PM
Why not resurrect the TV Championship instead? Make it where it can be defended every week on RAW and often on Superstars.
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 10:11 PM
Why not resurrect the TV Championship instead? Make it where it can be defended every week on RAW and often on Superstars.
I don't think WWE ever had a Television Championship. If they do have a Television Championship, I hope they do not use the NWA and WCW's lineage, like they did the U.S. title, despite the fact WWE had their own U.S. title in the 1960's and 1970's.
Mr. C
10-18-2010, 10:45 PM
I don't think WWE ever had a Television Championship. If they do have a Television Championship, I hope they do not use the NWA and WCW's lineage, like they did the U.S. title, despite the fact WWE had their own U.S. title in the 1960's and 1970's.
Resurrecting the TV Championship and killing the WCW lineage is stupid.
DLVH84
10-18-2010, 10:46 PM
Resurrecting the TV Championship and killing the WCW lineage is stupid.
I agree, Rated R.
SOCCER LEGS
10-18-2010, 11:57 PM
I don't look at Wikipedia. I looked at old wrestling magazines.
what magazine
Volare
10-19-2010, 12:22 AM
PWI of course!!
DLVH84
10-19-2010, 12:25 AM
PWI of course!!
PWI, The Wrestler, Wrestling All Stars, Inside Wrestling, WWF, WCW, ECW, Wrestling Wrap-Up, etc.
But... But... But, I need affirmation! I need people to think I'm cool! I need to show how I can look at wikipedia while I post so it seems like I have a vast knowledge of the biz!
...please pay attention to me.
That's a little unfair. I don't think he pulls the info from wiki at all, I think it's his own knowledge. I just object to the way he tries to shoehorn irrelevant information into a thread just to prove it. Most the time this info the average fan already knows, the rest we don't need to.
And as for thinking it makes him look "cool", I doubt it. Pretty sure everyone here knows that wrestling isn't cool and hasn't been for a long time (if ever IMO).
Kane Knight
10-19-2010, 11:39 AM
WWE should have their own version of the X Division. They got so many superstars that can really go in the ring but seem constantly lost in the shuffle.
Too bad they would NEVER use it. Well, okay. They would use it for a month, then get bored and bring it out once a year at best. Assuming they remembered it.
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