WWE needs a face faction

[morgest1984]

Why don't we get face faction's anymore??? im so sick of gang attack beat downs like the Corre Vs Big Show or Orton/Cena vs Nexus.
John Morrison or a face version of Dolph Ziggler could start a faction.
The results are 10 (or 8) guys have ready made feuds with each other, they can mix and match wrestling each other in singles and tag matches for months, it stays fresh and 10 (or 8) guys have a better chance of getting over. What dya think?

[MoFo]

Nah, pretty bored of factions tbh.

[Savio]

I tihnk the last face faction was "The Union"

[Lara Emily]

Here's a fun little game, name one uber successful face stable that didn't first start off as a heels.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's hard to put people in a faction for a reason that doesn't make them look a little cowardly and heelish.

[CSL]

The only 'uber' successful factions are DX, nWo and maybe the Horseman. nWo were cheered as faces from day 1. Most of DX's success came with them as faces, both made a shit load of cash. Which is all that really matters.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hogan definitely was not being cheered at Bash at the Beach 96. Also, when DX was just Michaels, Helmsley, Chyna, and Rude, they were being booed as well. That was always my favorite DX, though.

[Lara Emily]

the nWo were not faces from day one, they had a following sure but they were not faces look at Bash at the Beach Hogan,Hall and Nash had garbage being thrown at them.

DX success as a face stable came from 6 months of build as cool heels. NAO were built as cool heels as well and already well established when they joined DX

The 3 most successful face stables all started as heels, which is my point, just starting a stable off as Faces rarely works

[CSL]

lol not literally day one, like week 3 or something. As soon as they got the shirt, started cutting promos and generally being the 'coolest' guys on Nitro.

[CSL]

I'm not saying they were faces. I'm saying they were getting face reactions and selling (top-line) face amounts of merchandise.

[BollywoodSingh]

The nWo guys just got pops when they made their entrances and cut their promos because they were "cool heels" but still, the fans booed them during matches and cheered for the WCW guys to win.

[Lara Emily]

Exactly

[Xero]

A year ago people were bitching that there are no factions. You get them, and then want more.

[CSL]

The nWo guys just got pops when they made their entrances and cut their promos because they were "cool heels" but still, the fans booed them during matches and cheered for the WCW guys to win.

Because most of them were very good at their jobs. The initial reaction to them was still 'SHIT NWO YEAAAHHHH'.

Exactly

Exactly what? You haven't made any variety of point here.

[Lara Emily]

I said the most successful face stables all started off as heel, thus were able to develop that cool heel feel which then got them over as faces later on.

Hell this applies to fucking single stars too.

The Rock got his first break as a heel
Steve Austin started getting over as a heel
Triple H Heel
Undertaker heel
even John Cena only really started getting over as heel.

[Jeritron]

Are you guys trying to say that The Union wasn't successful?

[Lara Emily]

Yes

Though I'd like to note that even the Union was a spin off of a heel stable 3/4 of Union members came directly from The Corporation

[Jeritron]

4 floundering wrestlers with 2x4s can't be wrong.

[Lara Emily]

Don't forget a great theme song *Whistle toot* UNION!

[Lui Kang]

I wonder if Legacy could work as faces?.....if they re-united to take on Nexus?

Orton is pretty over with the fans, and it probably wouldn't take much to convert Rhodes and Dibiase....especially if they are battling Nexus. Rhodes and Dibiase never really took off after leaving Legacy from what I understand (I haven't watched much wrestling over this past year).

Re-uniting Rhodes and Dibase might be the best thing for both men.

[Lara Emily]

Nah Cody's got his own thing going quite well on Smackdown.

[Lui Kang]

Is it really going "quite well?" Maybe it's just me but I thought Rhodes and Dibiase were far more over as members of Legacy. Both characters seem to have regressed quite a bit upon leaving.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cody Rhodes is more over now than he has ever been.

[Lui Kang]

Oh ok. I haven't watched Wrestling much and so I didn't know. I'm a little surprised that Rhodes has experienced more success than Dibiase. It seems like the WWE has really shit the bed with Teddy.

[CSL]

I said the most successful face stables all started off as heel, thus were able to develop that cool heel feel which then got them over as faces later on.

Hell this applies to fucking single stars too.

The Rock got his first break as a heel
Steve Austin started getting over as a heel
Triple H Heel
Undertaker heel
even John Cena only really started getting over as heel.

2 stables. 'Starting out heel' is clearly not a pre-requisite for success.

And of course it doesn't apply to singles guys. Rock didn't start as a heel in WWE. Ditto Cena. Ditto Orton. Ditto HBK. Ditto Warrior. Ditto Edge. And so on and so on.

Still not seeing any kind of point here.

[XL]

I have to ask...

If you have no idea what's going on with wrestling, why are you even here?

[XL]

2 stables. 'Starting out heel' is clearly not a pre-requisite for success.

And of course it doesn't apply to singles guys. Rock didn't start as a heel in WWE. Ditto Cena. Ditto Orton. Ditto HBK. Ditto Warrior. Ditto Edge. And so on and so on.

Still not seeing any kind of point here.
Rock had people chanting "DIE ROCKY DIE" as a face. People hated him and not in the way they should. He got over as a heel.

Cena was heel when his rapper gimmick got him over. Edge was "put over the top" with the Rated R Superstar heel gimmick. HBK became popular as The Heartbreak Kid - a heel gimmick.

I'll give you Warrior.

[CSL]

Yeah, that's all common knowledge but I took her saying 'got her break' as in 'started out' on TV/WWE debut since her examples are all different successes on different levels (example Triple H was way more over as a face than as a posh heel before going heel again/title push, Austin's real 'overness' came as a face from March '97, Cena was getting cheered for some time before they switched him face for his 'breakout' etc) I don't think even Lara Emily knows what point she is trying to make here.

[CSL]

And it doesn't matter anyway since I think the point is supposed to be that any wrestler/team/faction has to be a heel before they can be a successful face. Which is ridiculous.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Shawn Michaels was pretty popular with the Rockers.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ricky Steamboat, also.

[Xero]

I didn't know Steamboat was a Rocker.

[Aguakate]

I said the most successful face stables all started off as heel, thus were able to develop that cool heel feel which then got them over as faces later on.

Hell this applies to fucking single stars too.

The Rock got his first break as a heel
Steve Austin started getting over as a heel
Triple H Heel
Undertaker heel
even John Cena only really started getting over as heel.

This is true. Most great faces, always starts getting over as a heel first...

...Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Sid, Orton, Kane...

...alot of 'em.

[Jeritron]

I'm pretty sure the point she was making was that most successful stables started out as heel factions.
ABT supplemented that with the point that the very notion of a stable/faction implies semi-heel behavior. It's gang mentality and usually serves to give wrestlers an edge by having a crew.

So what is really the problem with those points?
I agree with both, tbh.

If it's so untrue, I'd like to see a list of notable stables that started out as faces. Citing that nWo and DX were huge face factions is irrelevant. A total red herring.
They started out as heel groups and functioned as such for some time. Just because they got super popular and sold merch, doesn't change that. That's because they were cool heels. That's like saying Stone Cold and The Rock didn't get over as heels because they ended up turning face in the same gimmick and selling lots of shirts. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

They were heels when they started. Fact not opinion. And I don't know why singles careers got dragged into the pot. But, I'm still drawing a blank on stables that started out as face factions. I'm sure there have to be a few, but I certainly can't think of any very successful ones at the moment.

[Juan]

I think first we need to focus on saving WrestleMania.

[CSL]

This is true. Most great faces, always starts getting over as a heel first...

...Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Sid, Orton, Kane...

...alot of 'em.

No, that is 'some'. Like how there are 'some' that got over as a face. The whole 'argument' is daft. And even out of the ones you've listed there, Diesel took off as a face when he dropped Shawn and Sid came into WWE as a face before turning during his Hogan run (he did pretty much nothing in WCW before that).

[Anybody Thrilla]

Goldberg started as a face.

[Jeritron]

This is all off topic. What about stables?

[Aguakate]

No, that is 'some'. Like how there are 'some' that got over as a face. The whole 'argument' is daft. And even out of the ones you've listed there, Diesel took off as a face when he dropped Shawn and Sid came into WWE as a face before turning during his Hogan run (he did pretty much nothing in WCW before that).

You look back in history, and most wrestlers who became great faces, were heel before that.

[Loose Cannon]

Misfits in Action :roll:

[CSL]

I'm pretty sure the point she was making was that most successful stables started out as heel factions.
ABT supplemented that with the point that the very notion of a stable/faction implies semi-heel behavior. It's gang mentality and usually serves to give wrestlers an edge by having a crew.

So what is really the problem with those points?
I agree with both, tbh.

If it's so untrue, I'd like to see a list of notable stables that started out as faces. Citing that nWo and DX were huge face factions is irrelevant. A total red herring.
They started out as heel groups and functioned as such for some time. Just because they got super popular and sold merch, doesn't change that. That's because they were cool heels. That's like saying Stone Cold and The Rock didn't get over as heels because they ended up turning face in the same gimmick and selling lots of shirts. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

They were heels when they started. Fact not opinion. And I don't know why singles careers got dragged into the pot. But, I'm still drawing a blank on stables that started out as face factions. I'm sure there have to be a few, but I certainly can't think of any very successful ones at the moment.

I didn't dispute that they started out as heels. The only point I made was that they made money as faces, which is all that mattered. Making whether they start as heels or not redundant. If the story had called for them to start out as faces, they'd have been equally as successful. The success is down to the timing, the writing and most importantly, the performers. The notion that being heel is some kind of pre-requisite for success on other levels is what the discussion turned into. Which, as you pointed out, is also redundant.

[Anybody Thrilla]

This is all off topic. What about stables?

There haven't ever really been any good face stables.

[Jeritron]

You look back in history, and most wrestlers who became great faces, were heel before that.

Well, have you considered that maybe that's because by the time one gets to the top, they've been around a few years and they've seen a few gimmick or character changes?
That's the business. Especially with up and comers in the midcard. So you can look back on any rising career and pull out that they were once a heel.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ewww, remember Survivor Series 97? There was all that gang warfare going on between Los Boricuas, DOA, and the NOD? Fucking brtl, as Spilchuk would say.

[CSL]

You look back in history, and most wrestlers who became great faces, were heel before that.

What? It's professional wrestling. That's like saying 'every hockey player has probably changed his skates at some point' or 'every successful guy in the NFL has probably played for more than one team'. Only this is amplified in wrestling because some guys can turn every 6 months. You're missing the point here. Which, by now, I think is completely and utterly lost.

[XL]

There haven't ever really been any good face stables.
This is the point that people are trying to make.

[Lara Emily]

2 stables. 'Starting out heel' is clearly not a pre-requisite for success.

And of course it doesn't apply to singles guys. Rock didn't start as a heel in WWE. Ditto Cena. Ditto Orton. Ditto HBK. Ditto Warrior. Ditto Edge. And so on and so on.

Still not seeing any kind of point here.

Did you read what I said? Rock was a fucking joke in his inital face run his big break came as a cool heel. Orton was low midcard until he turned heel, Cena was low mid card until he turned heel, Edge was heel very shortly after he debuted and his first major run as a main evener was as a heel.

I was just pointing out that for a lot of guys being heel was where they really started to get over.

As for stables there have been two face stables in the past hmm 15 years or so The Union which was created directly from a heel table and the Filthy Animals

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, that's all common knowledge but I took her saying 'got her break' as in 'started out' on TV/WWE debut since her examples are all different successes on different levels (example Triple H was way more over as a face than as a posh heel before going heel again/title push, Austin's real 'overness' came as a face from March '97, Cena was getting cheered for some time before they switched him face for his 'breakout' etc) I don't think even Lara Emily knows what point she is trying to make here.

HHH got over in DX as a heel (and yes he was booed), Austin won KOTR and gave birth to Austin 3:16 as a heel, when I said got their break I mean just that the moment they started truly getting over.

BTW with Cena you are highlting my exact point, one of the best ways to eventually become a massively over face is to break into the main event scene as a cool heel.

Are you purposely being an idiot or something?

Well, have you considered that maybe that's because by the time one gets to the top, they've been around a few years and they've seen a few gimmick or character changes?
That's the business. Especially with up and comers in the midcard. So you can look back on any rising career and pull out that they were once a heel.

No no the argument isn't that faces were at some point heels it's that a lot of the major faces got to be major faces because of how over they got as heels right before they turned face.

The list includes: Rock, Austin, HHH, HBK, Randy Orton, John Cena, Batista, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Ric Flair and the list goes on.

I'm pretty sure the point she was making was that most successful stables started out as heel factions.
ABT supplemented that with the point that the very notion of a stable/faction implies semi-heel behavior. It's gang mentality and usually serves to give wrestlers an edge by having a crew.

So what is really the problem with those points?
I agree with both, tbh.

If it's so untrue, I'd like to see a list of notable stables that started out as faces. Citing that nWo and DX were huge face factions is irrelevant. A total red herring.
They started out as heel groups and functioned as such for some time. Just because they got super popular and sold merch, doesn't change that. That's because they were cool heels. That's like saying Stone Cold and The Rock didn't get over as heels because they ended up turning face in the same gimmick and selling lots of shirts. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

They were heels when they started. Fact not opinion. And I don't know why singles careers got dragged into the pot. But, I'm still drawing a blank on stables that started out as face factions. I'm sure there have to be a few, but I certainly can't think of any very successful ones at the moment.

Yeah I shouldn't have brought up singles, I was just making an observation that much like stables most of the major success stories of modern wrestling all got their big break as heels and all started getting over as heels.

[CSL]

Did you read what I said? Rock was a fucking joke in his inital face run his big break came as a cool heel. Orton was low midcard until he turned heel, Cena was low mid card until he turned heel, Edge was heel very shortly after he debuted and his first major run as a main evener was as a heel.

I was just pointing out that for a lot of guys being heel was where they really started to get over.

As for stables there have been two face stables in the past hmm 15 years or so The Union which was created directly from a heel table and the Filthy Animals

HHH got over in DX as a heel (and yes he was booed), Austin won KOTR and gave birth to Austin 3:16 as a heel, when I said got their break I mean just that the moment they started truly getting over.

BTW with Cena you are highlting my exact point, one of the best ways to eventually become a massively over face is to break into the main event scene as a cool heel.

Are you purposely being an idiot or something?

You ask me if I'm purposely being an idiot two sentences after explaining yourself, so you clearly realize that you weren't being very clear with what you were on about. So are you purposely being a bit of a twat or ?

And I still can't believe you are still banging on about the singles guys. Have you read anything I've posted on this 2nd page? My god.

[Kane Knight]

Face factions tend to suck. Stables and factions are best suited for heels due to the numbers game.

If the good guys got organised, there would be very little drama.

[Lara Emily]

You ask me if I'm purposely being an idiot two sentences after explaining yourself, so you clearly realize that you weren't being very clear with what you were on about. So are you purposely being a bit of a twat or ?

And I still can't believe you are still banging on about the singles guys. Have you read anything I've posted on this 2nd page? My god.

Dude you're the one who misinterpreted what I meant by big break. I didn't explain myself I reiterated myself in response to our stupid assumption that some how big break = debut, I purposely stated big break because I knew guys such as the Rock actually debuted as faces.You're the only one who read it as debut.

I did read what you said on page 2 means shit, massively over faces who gpt over big time by soley being a face are rare and usually get that by way of the monster push IE: Goldberg Hogan, Warrior

I never claimed all Big faces went the get over as a heel first route I just pointed out that history reflects that a lot (maybe even most) of them did. There's a reason for that too, major success stories are performers who the fans chose, who the fans wanted to like, it's much easier to start off being hated and get people to like you by just doing your thing, then to be forced into a babyface role and basically demand people like you (IE Rocky Maivia). To be frank it was an observation I shouldn't have made as it derailed the thread clearly. End of story is no major Face faction in recent history has been massively successful without starting off as heels, if you want to argue against that you are arguing against reality.

[Tom Guycott]

CTC had potential to be a successful face faction. They had 3 charasmatic and very over guys who seemed to be a decent fit to run together, get JC back a bit to the "edgy" Cena of old, and possibly do some things to get Shad and JTG something other than released and Superstars hell respectively.

What we could have had is 3 merch movers, one of which has something other to do than main event so someone else can be in that spotlight for a bit, and a push of the other two as more than just a tag team that will inevitably be split to feud... kind of like a face version of Legacy.

What we got was one JBL limmo vandalized and no one ever spoke of this to be a stable again.

[Snowden]

Stables are a far better fit for heels, and quite honestly, there's no face right now who screams stable leader to me in the WWE.

As for the idea that a lot of great face wrestlers/stables have gotten over first by being heels, I think it has less to do with the fact that they were heels first, and more to do with the fact that heels tend to be more well defined characters than faces, especially in the midcard. Heels tend to have some sort of defining "edge" that makes people hate them (cocky heel, monster heel, cowardly heel, etc etc), and even then, each performer has some sort of riff on that. Face, especially in the WWE, and especially first time face runs in the midcard, just tend to be "good guys."

Its harder to get behind someone without much of a hook...when the heels turn, they riff on their heel character and still have that edge about them. But the faces, well, they never had as much character to stand on.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The Filthy Animals
Revolution

Face stables :cool:

[Lara Emily]

The Filthy Animals
Revolution

Face stables :cool:

Yup I never said there weren't any just not many.

I already mentioned Filthy Animals :p

Touche on Revolution totally forgot that they started as faces (I remember only mostly their work as heels)

So that's 4 in the past 15 years or so that started as faces

Heel Stables: nWo, DX, Ministry, Corporation, Corporate Ministry, Evolution, McMahon-Helmsley Faction, The Alliance, Nexus, New Nexus, SES, The Corre, The Hart Foundation, The Nation of Domination, The Nation, and there's probably more

[James Steele]

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[Jeritron]

I once asked a friend why in the world he liked The Union, and he simply answer by posing the counter-question, "What's not to like about Big Show, Mankind, Shamrock and Test walking around with 2x4s?"

Touche.

[James Steele]

I once asked a friend why in the world he liked The Union, and he simply answer by posing the counter-question, "What's not to like about Big Show, Mankind, Shamrock and Test walking around with 2x4s?"

Touche.

Business 101: "K.I.S.S. - Keep it simple, stupid."

[AKin3D]

Not a hugely successful stable, but could you say LWO started face? The story was Bischoff refused to push the Latino wrestlers and they felt they deserved the push.

[Lara Emily]

If the lWo was face it was for about 3 minutes as their one and only feud was with Rey Jr and Kiman and they were around for a grand sum total of 3 months.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not a hugely successful stable, but could you say LWO started face? The story was Bischoff refused to push the Latino wrestlers and they felt they deserved the push.

To be fair, with the WWE doing so well in Mexican markets, I kind of thought to myself the other day that the WWE could bring back the lWo. Should I be ashamed? Chavo Guerrero can be the leader, and you can maybe have Primo defect from RAW to join the group. Stick Los Aviadores from FCW with them, and you've got yourself a fun, but when grouped together sorta dangerous faction.

But many others have hit the nail on the head -- a bunch of faces working together makes them look weak individually. They can work, but it'd usually be out of a necessity to battle a larger foe. For example -- if a group formed to destroy Nexus or The Corre, it could be quite good.

Also, Lara Emily's points were spot-on in this thread. Do not know what CSL was spazzing on about. He's usually right on point, too.

[Tom Guycott]

Not such a good idea, if only for the fact that WWE would find a way to make them the Mexicools all over again.

[CSL]

Dude you're the one who misinterpreted what I meant by big break. I didn't explain myself I reiterated myself in response to our stupid assumption that some how big break = debut, I purposely stated big break because I knew guys such as the Rock actually debuted as faces.You're the only one who read it as debut.

That is a big break to me. Showing up on WWE TV is the very definition of a big break. It was quite obviously short-sighted to assume everybody else thinks the same way and by the responses it seems they do but I just read your comment and responded, I don't tend to put much more thought into posting than that. Call it different perspectives or something. But stupid assumption? Child please.

To be fair, with the WWE doing so well in Mexican markets, I kind of thought to myself the other day that the WWE could bring back the lWo. Should I be ashamed? Chavo Guerrero can be the leader, and you can maybe have Primo defect from RAW to join the group. Stick Los Aviadores from FCW with them, and you've got yourself a fun, but when grouped together sorta dangerous faction.

But many others have hit the nail on the head -- a bunch of faces working together makes them look weak individually. They can work, but it'd usually be out of a necessity to battle a larger foe. For example -- if a group formed to destroy Nexus or The Corre, it could be quite good.

Also, Lara Emily's points were spot-on in this thread. Do not know what CSL was spazzing on about. He's usually right on point, too.

Show me where I'm doing anything but simply responding here. So many people's first reaction to disagreement on here is to jump to the 'taking it seriously'/getting angry line. Quite clearly no 'spazzing on' here Outback Jack.

Now can we get back 'on topic' or talk about Maryse's tatars or something?

[CSL]

Revolution

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1320/asyaul1.jpg

[CSL]

Looks like Vito if he'd have taken the dress gimmick 'all the way'.

[XCaliber]

Instead of adding a new faction it would be better if they gradually had Corre build themselves up as faces kinda like how DX did and I could see it happening eventually too.

[Lara Emily]

That is a big break to me. Showing up on WWE TV is the very definition of a big break. It was quite obviously short-sighted to assume everybody else thinks the same way and by the responses it seems they do but I just read your comment and responded, I don't tend to put much more thought into posting than that. Call it different perspectives or something. But stupid assumption? Child please.



Show me where I'm doing anything but simply responding here. So many people's first reaction to disagreement on here is to jump to the 'taking it seriously'/getting angry line. Quite clearly no 'spazzing on' here Outback Jack.

Now can we get back 'on topic' or talk about Maryse's tatars or something?


You kept stating over an over that I didn't have a point, even though every one else in the thread knew what I was talking about (even if they didn't agree) then when I reiterated my point (not expanded, reiterated) for your benefit you claimed that as proof that I wasn't being clear earlier, again even though everyone else understood what I was saying. It's not a different a opinion, a different opinion would be I disagree with what you said here's why not you aren't saying anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Instead of invalidating my position based on your own misreading of my words, you could have asked for a clarification. Instead you cried that I didn't know what I was talking about and that I wasn't making a point, so sorry that's not a different perspective that's making a stupid assumption end of story.

Oh and saying whatever man I don't really think before I post, not exactly a winning argument either.

Have a nice day :)

[Mr. C]

A WWE version of World Elite

Members:

Alberto Del Rio - leader
World Heavyweight Champion that forms the stable

Drew McIntyre - midcarder
Possible Intercontinental/Tag Team Champion

Vladimir Kozlov - muscle
Possible Tag Team Champion

William Regal - manager
Regal would play the role Ric Flair did in Evolution.

[Lara Emily]

fun fact as well when HHH took over DX and added X-Pac and NAO they were actually still heels. They still got boo'd a ton, though they got some pops too, but for the first while they still attacked faces and were still heels

[Flash Funk]

Lets not forget the Oddities!

[CSL]

You kept stating over an over that I didn't have a point, even though every one else in the thread knew what I was talking about (even if they didn't agree) then when I reiterated my point (not expanded, reiterated) for your benefit you claimed that as proof that I wasn't being clear earlier, again even though everyone else understood what I was saying. It's not a different a opinion, a different opinion would be I disagree with what you said here's why not you aren't saying anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Instead of invalidating my position based on your own misreading of my words, you could have asked for a clarification. Instead you cried that I didn't know what I was talking about and that I wasn't making a point, so sorry that's not a different perspective that's making a stupid assumption end of story.

Oh and saying whatever man I don't really think before I post, not exactly a winning argument either.

Have a nice day :)

lol 'Have a nice day :)' The smugness of that is practically dripping on to my keyboard you utter tragedy.

I was going to respond to this properly but no matter how I respond, this is going to go on and on because you seem to think there's something going on other than what I'm actually saying to you, that I'm somehow trying to save face or something, that we're embroiled in some kind of war of words where only one person can win, that I wasn't really just not thinking anything into it and responding 'off the cuff' (brilliant observation btw, couldn't have at all been possible that I was talking about in this singular instance, this one thread I happened to be participating in whilst attempting to do about 8 other things where it became quite blindingly obvious I'd missed some kind of point for some kind of reason) If you actually believe that this is the case (which it seems to be by your ridiculously smug posting and your incessant need to try and prove that you are somehow right to keep banging on) please get the fuck over yourself. This thread has now been tedious (not the TPWW.net/forums poster) for almost as long as you have. I am done here.

[Lara Emily]

Lets not forget the Oddities!

Started as heels

[Lara Emily]

lol 'Have a nice day :)' The smugness of that is practically dripping on to my keyboard you utter tragedy.

I was going to respond to this properly but no matter how I respond, this is going to go on and on because you seem to think there's something going on other than what I'm actually saying to you, that I'm somehow trying to save face or something, that we're embroiled in some kind of war of words where only one person can win, that I wasn't really just not thinking anything into it and responding 'off the cuff' (brilliant observation btw, couldn't have at all been possible that I was talking about in this singular instance, this one thread I happened to be participating in whilst attempting to do about 8 other things where it became quite blindingly obvious I'd missed some kind of point for some kind of reason) If you actually believe that this is the case (which it seems to be by your ridiculously smug posting and your incessant need to try and prove that you are somehow right to keep banging on) please get the fuck over yourself. This thread has now been tedious (not the TPWW.net/forums poster) for almost as long as you have. I am done here.

Let's just summarize.

1. I make an observation, a point if you will
2. Instead of discussing what I said. You claim several times over that I was made no point and that I clearly had no idea what I was trying to say. All that despite everyone else getting what I was saying (even if they don't agree)
3. I reiterate my point, restating pretty much exactly what I said earlier, for your benefit
4. You use my restatement as evidence that I initially had no point :|
5. I show you that both statements are consistent with each other
6. You say well I wasn't really putting thought in to my posts
7. QED

[CSL]

I was going to respond to this properly but no matter how I respond, this is going to go on and on because you seem to think there's something going on other than what I'm actually saying to you, that I'm somehow trying to save face or something, that we're embroiled in some kind of war of words where only one person can win, that I wasn't really just not thinking anything into it and responding 'off the cuff' (brilliant observation btw, couldn't have at all been possible that I was talking about in this singular instance, this one thread I happened to be participating in whilst attempting to do about 8 other things where it became quite blindingly obvious I'd missed some kind of point for some kind of reason)

Re-usable posts are a thing of the future.

[Lara Emily]

Anyway back on topic

From Day 1 Face Stables rarely work, are often boring and is not something that needs to happen.

[Swish]

I dunno I'm quite liking the concept of the heel stables atm. But I'm thinking some were down the line it'll end up The Core vs Nexus :)....

[Lui Kang]

Few observations from this thread:

1) Surprisingly, Lara Emily is almost 100% in whatever he/she is saying. I almost completely agree with the observations made (I apologize - I'm not trying to be a 'dick', but I don't know if I am supposed to refer to you as a 'he' or 'she'....I apologize in advance).

2) I also really like the following stable idea proposed by Rated R Classic.



A WWE version of World Elite

Members:

Alberto Del Rio - leader
World Heavyweight Champion that forms the stable

Drew McIntyre - midcarder
Possible Intercontinental/Tag Team Champion

Vladimir Kozlov - muscle
Possible Tag Team Champion

William Regal - manager
Regal would play the role Ric Flair did in Evolution.

Perhaps in the future when one of Corre or Nexus dissolve, this stable can come to fruition. Nice thought. :y:

[Indifferent Clox]

CSL i remember when you weren't a dick.

[CSL]

Bless you.

[Rollermacka]

Business 101: "K.I.S.S. - Keep it simple, stupid."

Yes, the missing KISS stable! Supposedly WCW was planning to make an entire stable of wrestlers dressed like the members of KISS!

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Personally, I'd rather see wrestler version of Spinal Tap. They can do the "get lost on the way to the ring" every week :yes:

[Swish]

Going back to 1997 Was DX originally planned as a HEEL stable?.

[Savio]

ooo the ECW Originals

[Swiss Ultimate]

The only 'uber' successful factions are DX, nWo and maybe the Horseman. nWo were cheered as faces from day 1. Most of DX's success came with them as faces, both made a shit load of cash. Which is all that really matters.

I could see Miz and some dudes using it as a vehicle to turn face and make shitloads of cash.

As long as they get an awesome entrance.

[Lara Emily]

Going back to 1997 Was DX originally planned as a HEEL stable?.

Yes they were all heels, they feuded with the Hat Foundation yes but they were still heel, just like Corporation and Ministry were both heels when they feud with each other,

[Lara Emily]

ooo the ECW Originals

Oh good one, which means I can add New Breed to the heel stable list.