View Full Version : Why do internet fans mark for jobbers
I see it a lot, whether it's Zack Ryder or Steve Blackman, etc.
Why is this? Ppl are all liek "fuck Cena" and "The Rock is f'kin boring now" yet want jobbers like Trent Barreta on TV.
Is it to be funny or wat.
Volare
03-16-2011, 01:34 PM
Because we want wrestling, and Zack fucking Ryder can be entertaining as hell, it's just that WWE won't let him, but we know he's got it.
Volare
03-16-2011, 01:34 PM
WWWYKI
You just don't understand
Volare
03-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Everyone needs to be reminded.
Mr. Pierre
03-16-2011, 01:41 PM
If Zack Ryder got a mega push, I'm sure about 80% of the IWC would complain after over analyzing his matches and promos. It seems to be a pattern lol
Gertner
03-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Because the IWC is smarter than Vinny Mac. Duh!
Supreme Olajuwon
03-16-2011, 02:10 PM
This is an interesting topic and I can think of several explanations.
1) People root for the jobbers because they view themselves as jobbers of real life.
2) People root for the jobbers because they like to root for the underdog.
3) People root for the jobbers because they want to be different.
4) People root for the jobbers because they're tired of the other stuff going on in the company.
I don't actually believe #4 is real, but I'm sure some people will argue that it is.
loopydate
03-16-2011, 02:11 PM
At least for me, I always root for the underdog. I know what it's like to be under-utilized at work and watch people less talented than me pass me by for promotions. So when I see someone with skill who is stuck in a rut while others get elevated, I'm going to pull for that guy.
Don't want to speak for the rest of the board, but that's at least my reasoning.
Ruien
03-16-2011, 02:14 PM
At least for me, I always root for the underdog. I know what it's like to be under-utilized at work and watch people less talented than me pass me by for promotions. So when I see someone with skill who is stuck in a rut while others get elevated, I'm going to pull for that guy.
Don't want to speak for the rest of the board, but that's at least my reasoning.
That would be number 1.
Supreme Olajuwon
03-16-2011, 02:21 PM
Nailed it.
SaskatchewanChamp
03-16-2011, 02:29 PM
It's because they think they know what the average wrestling fans would want, more so than Vince McMahon.
So basically, they are just acting like a bunch of fucking retards.
This is an interesting topic and I can think of several explanations.
1) People root for the jobbers because they view themselves as jobbers of real life.
2) People root for the jobbers because they like to root for the underdog.
3) People root for the jobbers because they want to be different.
4) People root for the jobbers because they're tired of the other stuff going on in the company.
I don't actually believe #4 is real, but I'm sure some people will argue that it is.
At least for me, I always root for the underdog. I know what it's like to be under-utilized at work and watch people less talented than me pass me by for promotions. So when I see someone with skill who is stuck in a rut while others get elevated, I'm going to pull for that guy.
Don't want to speak for the rest of the board, but that's at least my reasoning.
Pretty much.
Nightwing
03-16-2011, 02:41 PM
I cannot lie. I wanna be Smackdown! Number One Announcer :(
theregulator
03-16-2011, 02:50 PM
I dont get it either man
Ultra Mantis
03-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Nobody likes a winner.
Lara Emily
03-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Barry Horowitz was the man!
Supreme Olajuwon
03-16-2011, 03:28 PM
As much as I usually like to jump on people for being arrogant snobs, I don't really see this as thinking you know better as much as it is identifying with someone and wanting them to succeed. I'm sure there's a mix of both of those things with some people and seeing a guy you like get buried will probably make you bitter eventually but there's nothing wrong with liking jobbers at the start.
It really depends on who it is. If they have a history of good work (for example, Daniel Bryan) then I'm going to like them, unless they completely change in the ring/on the mic/etc. If I actually enjoy what they do in the ring or on the mic, despite being "jobbers", then I'll like them.
Steve Blackman wasn't a "jobber". I'm not saying this to say "LULZ STEVE BLACKMAN!11!" He actually had a winning streak going for a while and had a kick ass match with Shane McMahon on PPV. He's a bad ass in the ring. Part of it is to be funny. He's a meme. But he wasn't a "jobber". He was a lower-tier guy who had a lot to like about him.
It also depends on how you define or see a "jobber". Just because someone is on Superstars doesn't mean they're a "jobber". There's a chance of them working their way up in the company. It can almost be seen as "paying dues" within WWE's system. Trent Baretta may be something someday, he may not. It all depends on if he can be marketable to the mainstream and sell to Vince and creative that he's marketable.
And who's to say people are supposed to LOVE the main eventers? WWE would obviously love that, don't get me wrong. But even the most casual fan who isn't a complete retard could see someone like Randy Orton and go "You know, I don't like him. He's slow and boring. He has a cool move, though. But that Cena guy, he's the man. He's always showing intensity in the ring and is a good guy. I like John Cena but I don't like Randy Orton that much."
People watch Superstars, and I'm sure there are people who are fans of the Superstars crew, even the lower tier ones. If you're a real fan, you don't let position on the card get in the way of liking someone.
St. Jimmy
03-16-2011, 03:56 PM
The Rock is boring, and Cena is terrible - but fuck the Jobbers too.
dingdongyo
03-16-2011, 03:58 PM
also, i think your observation is a bit generalized. individual people have their favorite losers and the superstars they've grown tired of. it's not like everybody says "fuck Cena" and "The Rock is f'kin boring now" in unison.
Honestly, over the last year or two the Cena hate has died down. Whether it's people just being tired of bitching about him or Cena(/his booking) has improved is up for debate. But I definitely see more praise for Cena than before on TPWW.
I dunno, there are still floods of tears every time a show ends with him 'on top'.
Aguakate
03-16-2011, 04:05 PM
I see it a lot, whether it's Zack Ryder or Steve Blackman, etc.
Why is this? Ppl are all liek "fuck Cena" and "The Rock is f'kin boring now" yet want jobbers like Trent Barreta on TV.
Is it to be funny or wat.
It's called sarcasm, bro.
This has been going on for yrs though so it cant just be ppl trying to be funny tho, I've seen a lot of love for Kevin Thorn, Hassan & Sean O Haire for example. Wtf is up with that.
Aguakate
03-16-2011, 04:10 PM
This has been going on for yrs though so it cant just be ppl trying to be funny tho, I've seen a lot of love for Kevin Thorn, Hassan & Sean O Haire for example. Wtf is up with that.
..."cheering for the underdog"?
no you are wrong Aquakate, when Masters was in the main events with Carlito a few yrs back ppl were like "aw that guy SUCKS ASS" but now hes a bum ass jabroni on Superstars everyone is like "shit damn this guy should be getting titles and shit".
Kane Knight
03-16-2011, 04:17 PM
I see it a lot, whether it's Zack Ryder or Steve Blackman, etc.
Why is this? Ppl are all liek "fuck Cena" and "The Rock is f'kin boring now" yet want jobbers like Trent Barreta on TV.
Is it to be funny or wat.
The IWC: Hipsters before Hipsters were "cool."
loopydate
03-16-2011, 04:21 PM
no you are wrong Aquakate, when Masters was in the main events with Carlito a few yrs back ppl were like "aw that guy SUCKS ASS" but now hes a bum ass jabroni on Superstars everyone is like "shit damn this guy should be getting titles and shit".
No I'm pretty sure people still think Masters sucks.
Aguakate
03-16-2011, 04:23 PM
no you are wrong Aquakate, when Masters was in the main events with Carlito a few yrs back ppl were like "aw that guy SUCKS ASS" but now hes a bum ass jabroni on Superstars everyone is like "shit damn this guy should be getting titles and shit".
How am I wrong when you just said what I said?
No I'm pretty sure people still think Masters sucks.
www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3451910
Wolfpack423
03-16-2011, 04:39 PM
That's a great question. I never understood it myself. The worst thing is that if a jobber gets a push, the IWC all of a sudden turns on him. It's so ridiculous. Now I like my share of jobbers too like Zach Ryder and I guess Yoshi Tatsu can be considered one but he usually wins, however, if they start getting major pushes I'll be even more excited, however, it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. The one person more than anyone I want to see get a decent push is Ted Dibiase. I've been a fan of his since his debut.
loopydate
03-16-2011, 04:39 PM
www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3451910
I stand corrected.
He has improved a little but he's still pretty terrible IMO.
Supreme Olajuwon
03-16-2011, 04:50 PM
Masters is a bad example but yeah I see your point. But guys like Santino, Ryder, Bourne, and Tatsu seem like generally likable people with a decent amount of talent. Nothing wrong with rooting for someone like that to succeed.
Of course there's also something to be said about people wanting to become a fan of someone before it's cool to like them. I dunno. Fuck it.
Lara Emily
03-16-2011, 04:51 PM
So this is is what the millionth iteration of the IWC sucks thread?
RiX1024
03-16-2011, 06:14 PM
it's like with football matches we love to see an underdog team give a Premiership team a run for their money.
Jeritron
03-16-2011, 08:25 PM
Honestly, over the last year or two the Cena hate has died down. Whether it's people just being tired of bitching about him or Cena(/his booking) has improved is up for debate. But I definitely see more praise for Cena than before on TPWW.
I think it's a combination of both.
Either way, I remember 2004 when he was TPWW's darling and everyone wanted him to unify the titles and go to the moon, just like The Miz and Barrett now.
I think with a lot it also just has to do with face/heel.
There's really no one answer anymore. Some people hate him blindly. Some love him.
Some think he's good but don't like the way he's booked.
Like you said though, I think enough time has passed that everyone has come to terms with how they feel.
But I also do think the way he's booked (although not neccessarily weaker) is more tolerable overall since 2008.
Jeritron
03-16-2011, 08:27 PM
So this is is what the millionth iteration of the IWC sucks thread?
You and CSL should argue in it
Testicle
03-16-2011, 08:28 PM
This has been going on for yrs though so it cant just be ppl trying to be funny tho, I've seen a lot of love for Kevin Thorn, Hassan & Sean O Haire for example. Wtf is up with that.
I've never seen love for Thorn. Hassan and O'Haire had amazing gimicks.
Testicle
03-16-2011, 08:30 PM
And Masters doesn't suck, he usually has the best match on Superstars (for what that's worth :-\).
Kane Knight
03-16-2011, 08:48 PM
I stand corrected.
He has improved a little but he's still pretty terrible IMO.
To be fair, Masters had his fanbase back when he was big, too.
Granted, it was from the "I will force myself to love everything about wrestling, dammit!" crowd instead of the "he has four fans? He's overrated." Crowd.
Masters is a bad example but yeah I see your point. But guys like Santino, Ryder, Bourne, and Tatsu seem like generally likable people with a decent amount of talent. Nothing wrong with rooting for someone like that to succeed.
Of course there's also something to be said about people wanting to become a fan of someone before it's cool to like them. I dunno. Fuck it.
And there's something to be said about the fact that it spreads well beyond those four as well.
So this is is what the millionth iteration of the IWC sucks thread?
I don't see you not making threads in discussion just because they've been done before. Don't be a fucktard, Lara.
Kane Knight
03-16-2011, 08:49 PM
Oh, and was Hassan really a jobber? The dude was in some high profile feuds until he got fired over controversy. It's not like people were latching on to a guy wrestling dark matches.
Jeritron
03-16-2011, 08:53 PM
Yea, really. I think the same can be said about a lot of these supposed darlings
Aguakate
03-16-2011, 08:59 PM
The REAL reason for all this is that wrestling fans, alot of 'em, are STUPID.
They'll bitch and moan about wanting something to get done, such as bring in a particular wrestler, or having a particular guy be pushed, and as soon as they "get their wish", so to speak, they'll criticize the company for doing whatever they (the fans) asked for in the first place, or they'll turn on the guy they wanted to see get a push in the first place.
Fans bitched and moaned FOR YEARS about wanting to see Bret Hart back in the WWE. Last year, Bret came back, and what did we read and hear? "Bret looks old", "Bret can't walk", "Bret looks like Ozzy Osbourne", "He's a sell-out", and all sorts of garbage.
Also, FOR YEARS fans wanted to see The Rock back in WWE. Now he's back, and what are we reading and hearing? "He's not funny anymore", "He just says the same things over and over", "He's back but he'll surely leave us again", etc.
And we see it alot with guys who fans go like, "He should be Champion", and as soon as WWE gives them the belt, fans will boo the guy and cheer for whoever is facing him, in hopes of him losing the title.
You just CAN'T please the fans. It's "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
Jeritron
03-16-2011, 09:01 PM
It won't be long before Miz is turned face and pushed as the top guy, and his current fans start to view him like Cena.
Just like Cena in 2005.
Mofo is more talking about low card wrestlers (those under the midcard) than "jobbers". Jobbers, by my definition at least, are the enhancement talents that almost always lose and almost never have much to do angle or storyline-wise. The low carders get TV time and storylines, even if they are far and few between or just on Superstars.
Aguakate
03-16-2011, 09:13 PM
Yeah, Xero's right...
...THESE are "jobbers":
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bigslimjj
03-16-2011, 11:49 PM
You know what this thread needs? A little Steve Blackman.
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Get it? Little Steve Blackman! Hahahaha.
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Kane Knight
03-16-2011, 11:57 PM
Yea, really. I think the same can be said about a lot of these supposed darlings
I know. most people are working programs with Undertaker before they're terminated due to controversy.
Kane Knight
03-17-2011, 12:01 AM
It won't be long before Miz is turned face and pushed as the top guy, and his current fans start to view him like Cena.
Just like Cena in 2005.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, Miz is still shite and likely only has appeal because of the same 2-D heel fetish that gets most "bad guys" over, so I'm not sure I feel bad about the IWC turning on him based solely on the fact that he's now actually made it.
On the other, Miz is already enough of a deterrent in terms of me watchign wrestling. I'm not sure fanboys hating him is worth further devaluing my interest in WWE.
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