Sin Cara

[Godfather4Life]

so we've seen him beat up Sheamus and team with john cena. botched his entrances to the point that vince may change it and did a horrible botch last night on raw. with that said....will he survive soley on the fact that triple h hired him or a future endeavors candidate (down the road...) and the stories he's been tellin backstage that have made him look like an ass talk about the faceless one...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No.

[VSG]

He has a bigger trampoline now and is getting a push comparable to Del Rio now. I don't think WWE is losing interest in him just yet, they have invested quite a bit in the guy.

[Lock Jaw]

I never seen him botch his entrance. Last night was the smoothest one, but it isn't like he fell down or did not make it into the ring or something.

That said, he did botch the finish by missing the move.

Anyways, I'm not too high on Sin Cara right now. Seems like he would have been great in the WCW Cruiserweight division, but in today's environment, I just don't see him lasting. Especially with the full face mask.

[Godfather4Life]

I think your right VSG. i like the guy i've just never seen someone make so many mistakes. and yea that trampoline is def gonna help his entrances. most creative entrance i've seen in a long time. as for the del rio comparison...we haven't heard him speak, was he good on the mic in mexico?

[PorkSoda]

What was the botch last night on Raw?

[Godfather4Life]

Pork, sin cara's moonsault finisher

[NormanSmiley]

and the stories he's been tellin backstage that have made him look like an ass talk about the faceless one...


which stories did he tell you when you were backstage??

[Godfather4Life]

from a tpww headline report: Sin Cara tried to impress his peers backstage a recent WWE event by claiming that many of his notable victories in Mexico were shoots. There was plenty of eye-rolling over his conduct, with some feeling he embarrassed himself.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How is that true if he can't even speak English?

[Rammsteinmad]

He got his entrance right last night on Raw, looked pretty awesome seeing him fly over the ropes like that.

And his awesome finisher, the devastating 'springboard arm across the chest' was excellent too. I'm really liking this guy.

[Triple Naitch]

from a tpww headline report: Sin Cara tried to impress his peers backstage a recent WWE event by claiming that many of his notable victories in Mexico were shoots. There was plenty of eye-rolling over his conduct, with some feeling he embarrassed himself.

There's your first problem.

Also, not entirely sure but I think Sin Cara doesn't even speak English.

[Jordan]

That's a good point, looks like someone trying to start shit, I didn't read that report anywhere else anyway.

I feel like Sin Cara needs to calm his nerves and time will tell if he can adapt to the WWE style and if others can adapt to his unique style, which has a lot to do with the dodgeyness of his moves. I think he's gonna be awesome in time.

[BigDaddyCool]

See this is the problem with WWE. It is sink or swim out of the gate. If you aren't top of the card you are endeavored in a month.

He should be in a cruiser div with JoMo, R-Truth, and their ilk learning WWE style before teaming with Cena.

[St. Jimmy]

He's Botched every time he's been on WWE tv so far, I expect nothing but this in the future.

[Mr. C]

While it may be a step back for guys like Daniel Bryan and Rey Mysterio, tons of cruiserweights are in the WWE without a goal to reach, and it's not like they're teaming up the guys to get anything done either. It's a waste of talent. They have a bunch of cruisers: Bryan, Evan Bourne, Justin Gabriel, Sin Cara, just to name a few.

I mean Mysterio is one of the WWE's biggest stars. Wouldn't it be a wise business decision to have a cruiserweight division? The kids would love it, the adults would love it. Bring it back and soon.

[dingdongyo]

...in today's environment, I just don't see him lasting. Especially with the full face mask.

what's wrong with a full mask? i think it stands out quite a bit.
i just wish his mannerisms were more stoic. the way he was all handshakey and huggy with cena kinda made me feel like i was watching a power ranger. i was hoping for someone more badass than that.
other than that, he's flashy and fun to watch.

[NormanSmiley]

glad some other people caught where i was going with the backstage reports,stories sin cara was telling considerin he doesn't speak english. he nailed his entrance this monday, he should get over

[The Naitch]

He was "looking around" again last night on RAW. He looked confused when he had Miz (or Riley don't remember) as if to say "Oh crap what move is next?" Then he proceeded with an irish whip to the corner to buy some time

[The Naitch]

ps- I wanna see him fail. JUST FOR KICKS

[Lock Jaw]

what's wrong with a full mask? i think it stands out quite a bit.

It stands out sure, but you just can't "connect" with a guy wearing a full face mask. You can't see the emotion, the pain, the will, the desire...

[Droford]

I cant wait til they have Cole translating him when he does promos.

"AND TO QUOTE SIN CARA..buy my mask at WWESHOPZONE.COM .. oh and IM GOING TO BEAT YOU (INSERT OPPONENT)!!"

[*DISCO*DAVE*]

I don't really know where they can go with him. Sure he's got amazing athleticism and an 'impressive to watch' move-set. But it carries risks, I'm sure the WWE will have him 'tone it down' once he's established and then he can show us he can work a good match with fewer mistakes, maybe I'll have a different opinion then.

But if he really speaks no English he needs a mouthpiece. Face characters with managers historically for the most part don't go over well.

I think having him attack Sheamus and Swagger then team with Cena is just WWE cementing to the fans that he is a face, and they are supposed to be cheering for him.

[Aguakate]

...It's they just put so much pressure on him right off the bat, and adevertised him as the next great Superstar before he even stepped into a WWE ring, that the expectations on him are very high...which also makes him perhaps turn up the voltage "too much" when he wrestles, makes him too excited, and that's where mistakes may occur...

[Tom Guycott]

He got his entrance right last night on Raw, looked pretty awesome seeing him fly over the ropes like that.

And his awesome finisher, the devastating 'springboard arm across the chest' was excellent too. I'm really liking this guy.

I'm not hating just because, but I blame Cena a bit for not dragging the guy far enough away from the rope when he pulled him to that position. I thought Cara was going for something off the top rope with him being so far in the corner like that. True, he overshot, but that was kind of a short way to spring a moonsault.

[Shaner]

Doubtful they'll get rid of him. I went to a house show in Birmingham on saturday, and after Alex Riley interfered in the John Cena vs. The Miz match, it was changed to John Cena and Sin Cara vs. The Miz & Alex Riley. After the match, Cena actually left the ring and went to the back before Sin Cara, who was the last to leave and who's music played the show out. This was after his botches on Raw etc. So it seems they are really invested in him regardless. After the show the Sin Cara mask replicas sold out (Rey didn't), so I can't see them getting rid of him anytime soon.

[Tommy Gunn]

Probably just needs a little more time to adjust to the WWE style, and more experience performing on live TV.

[Rollermacka]

How is that true if he can't even speak English?

He doesnt speak english? I know he's a luchadore but still...

[Gertner]

Sin Cara will be gone in 3 months. Like the guy, but it isn't gonna work. Maybe they should put him on Smackdown and keep him with Rey Mysterio so Rey can help him work WWE style matches. Give him pointers and stuff.

[Aguakate]

Thing is that whenever you bring in a guy with so much hype and expectations, and bring him in as a face, it's gonna be tough.

[Schlomey]

My opinion:

I think he is great for television. He has provided much needed high flying in ring action that the WWE has been missing, especially on RAW. I LOVE his entrance and his finisher and willing to give him time to adjust before cashing my chips in on him. The WWE is really putting the pressure on as they tend to do with their newest studs. I hope the best for him because he really is fun to watch and I love his look.

[Aguakate]

He needs to show up on Smackdown and attack Rey Mysterio...and BAM! Instant star.

[Schlomey]

But they are pushing him HARD as a face why would he beat up Mysterio? The ultimate Mexiface?

[Aguakate]

But they are pushing him HARD as a face why would he beat up Mysterio? The ultimate Mexiface?

...well, at least fans wouldn't be able to get on him for being "two-faced", seeing as how he HAS "no face"...get it? "Sin Cara"?

Thank you.

[Schlomey]

you clever bastard ;)

[Ruien]

It stands out sure, but you just can't "connect" with a guy wearing a full face mask. You can't see the emotion, the pain, the will, the desire...

That could be used for one badass heel.

[Aguakate]

Nah, but seriously, it's hard to bring someone in as a face, who has to adapt to the WWE style, and not only that, put high expectations on him, especially when, inevitably, he reminds you of another wrestler in the company (Rey).

Alberto Del Rio was different, because he came in as a heel, worked in FCW for a while, is great on the mic, is not the typical "luchador" (doesn't over-rely on the high-flying stuff, is tall), etc.

[The Naitch]

If anything Sin Cara keeps me watching RAW. I do other stuff around the house while RAW is on, but if there's a Sin Cara match, I make sure to watch it. Because I love counting all the botches

[Juan]

Exaggerate much?

[The Naitch]

Alberto Del Rio was different, because he came in as a heel, worked in FCW for a while, is great on the mic, is not the typical "luchador" (doesn't over-rely on the high-flying stuff, is tall), etc.

ADR still has more to prove me. Anyone can come in and be a heel. It's easier and alot more fun. I'd like to see how he would've handled being a face from the get go. Especially a face that has been force fed lines.

[StevieA79]

Exaggerate much?

Yeah the majority of the posters in this thread are hating on the guy already I find it absolutely unbelieveable so the guy has made a few slip ups, his move set is high risk you can't expect perfection each and every match. So the guy has made a couple of errors with his entrance, just how many people flip over the top rope off a trampoline? :D God forbid if the guy does make a mistake you have a thread talking about how he's not ready for the WWE or how he'll be gone in 3 months or some other BS. I really can't believe what I am reading, why are you so hard on the guy? What the hell has he done to deserve the criticism he is receiving? If WWE scouted the guy for so long and Triple H has personally signed the guy (who is the future owner of WWE by the way mark my words) you think he will be gone because of a few mistakes? With someone like Sin Cara it's a long term investment from the WWE they will not take him off tv anytime soon, if you are sick of the sight of Sin Cara now just you wait a year down the line.

Give Sin Cara some time and I will guarantee he will be a main eventer. You have to understand the pressure he is under to perform, how quickly he has to adapt and how different it will be for him working with WWE superstars. This guy has it all he is a human highlight reel he is one of the best high flyers I have ever seen, I have been very impressed with him so far why not give him a chance? Judge him in several months jesus. So he looks around in a match, do you not think that maybe just maybe his visibility isn't the best through the mask?

Sin Cara is here to stay. Biggie has a few words to say to y'all.

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[dingdongyo]

It stands out sure, but you just can't "connect" with a guy wearing a full face mask. You can't see the emotion, the pain, the will, the desire...

that's what body language is for. put a mask on any great storyteller in the ring and they can still tell a story.

i understand what you are getting at, though. while you hate what the mask takes away, i like it. i see it as addition by subtraction. he doesn't talk. he doesn't show his face. he's mysterious. but he can fly like a mofo. it's interesting, unique (to wwe) and fun.

[Asmo]

I'm still not sold on Sin Cara, but that's probably because i never was a huge fan of high-flying spot 'sports entertainment'. Whatever little i've seen of his run leads me to believe he's still finding his feet in a WWE ring, but thanks to the marketing blitz and the hype, already has the crowd remembering him. He's made a mark. A good feud right now would help our perception.

[FourFifty]

Sin Cara won't work unless WWE brings back the CW title. His style won't mesh well with WWE's style. He can midcard with Evan Bourne, get "an upset victory" over The World's Strongest Jobber, feud with a guy like Swagger or some other midcarder, but WWE will release him shortly after WM28 at the latest as TNA (if they're still up) writes a storyline for him to win the X-Division title.

[BollywoodSingh]

The entrance botches weren't even bad. All he did was touch the rope a little when jumping into the ring. It's not like he fell or anything. In fact, in his debut, I just thought that was a part of the entrance.

[Godfather4Life]

Alberto del rio is albert of the river. anyway yea if sin cara can't speak english he won't be able to do promos. so let him just wrestle, no angles, no nothing yes this sounds dumb but unless rey retires and becomes his manager or something they really dunno what they can do. maybe funaki or yoshi tatsu can be his manager (just kidding). best thing to do get a heel manager and make him just beat the holy hell outta everyone. it'll never happen so it'll be interesting to see what happens. hopefully he got all the botches worked out cause i am def tuned into all his matches. he is a great draw and the wwe should really capitalize... question is what is the best way??

[Juan]

The entrance botches weren't even bad. All he did was touch the rope a little when jumping into the ring. It's not like he fell or anything. In fact, in his debut, I just thought that was a part of the entrance.

Yeah I agree, but the IWC salivates at the thought of a guy botching. See all those stupid Botch-a-mania videos as evidence.