Best & Worst #2: United States Champion [RESULTS POSTED]

[XL]

Steve Austin enters the B&W Hall of Fame as 'Best WWF/E World Champion' just as Jeff Hardy and Bob Backlund enter the B&W Hall of Shame as the 'Worst' in that category.

Up for your deliberation this time is the United States Championship.

We'll consider it's existence in WCW and WWE as the same lineage/belt. So, in your estimation, using whatever criteria you choose to, who was the very Best and very Worst to hold the US Title?

[VSG]

Best: Chris Benoit
Worst: Orlando Jordan

I mean, c'mon:

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[CSL]

Best WWE 'Era': MVP
Best ever: Rick Rude

Worst: David Flair

[Triple Naitch]

Best: MVP
Worst: Finlay

[Juan]

I loved the Bret Hart/Sting feud for the US title.

[Triple Naitch]

I really wanted to put DDP, but I can't recall anything significant from his runs.

[Nicky Fives]

Best: Chris Benoit
Worst: Orlando Jordan

[Juan]

I really wanted to put DDP, but I can't recall anything significant from his runs.

His feud with Raven was pretty awesome

[Shisen Kopf]

Best: Sting
Worst:Jim Duggan

[XL]

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[Graveler]

Best: Shelton Benjamin
Worst: Orlando Jordan

[Phenomenal 1]

Best: Rick Rude
Worst: Jim Duggan

[XL]

Courtesy of Lock Jaw in the 100k Thread. (Thought I'd already posted it tbh)

[Droford]

Best - Sting
Worst - David Flair

you really cant argue about David Flair being the worst..he sucked as a wrestler, he didn't win the belt (Ric "gave" him the belt) and I think he only successfully defended it once but he needed the Horsemen's help to do that.

[Phenomenal 1]

Best - Sting
Worst - David Flair

you really cant argue about David Flair being the worst..he sucked as a wrestler, he didn't win the belt (Ric "gave" him the belt) and I think he only successfully defended it once but he needed the Horsemen's help to do that.

Actually I would argue that to point out Jim Duggan was no better when he won the title in 40 seconds in a squash over Austin. Austin was a good mid card talent at the time and WCW just buried him with a guy who was already 10 years past his prime. David Flair was a joke as well but WCW dropped the ball burying Austin like that. Something like that sticks out in my opinion more than David Flair who no one really remembers being US champion more than Austin getting buried by Bischoff and WCW management. Just a food for thought here.

[Theo Dious]

Best: Arn Anderson
Worst: Daniel Bryan

[BizarroKing]

Best: Tie between Benoit and Kofi (the latter was defending it it fatal 4 ways, triple threat, and 6 way matches during his 1st run)
Worst: Rick Steiner (don't even remember that reign since it was near WCW's death and i'm sure it was pointless)

[Droford]

Actually I would argue that to point out Jim Duggan was no better when he won the title in 40 seconds in a squash over Austin. Austin was a good mid card talent at the time and WCW just buried him with a guy who was already 10 years past his prime. David Flair was a joke as well but WCW dropped the ball burying Austin like that. Something like that sticks out in my opinion more than David Flair who no one really remembers being US champion more than Austin getting buried by Bischoff and WCW management. Just a food for thought here.

At least Duggan was an established wrestler and even if it was a sqaush he did win the belt. The only reason David Flair had it is because his father was Ric Flair and they didnt even have him win the belt in a match.

[Phenomenal 1]

At least Duggan was an established wrestler and even if it was a sqaush he did win the belt. The only reason David Flair had it is because his father was Ric Flair and they didnt even have him win the belt in a match.

Never said your point was invalid. Just retorted with a thought against it. Even pos repped you for it. Flair did suck but people are less likely to remember Jim than Duggan. But kudos to you David Flair is up there as top 5 for worst US champ ever.

[Jordan]

Best: Tie between Benoit and Kofi (the latter was defending it it fatal 4 ways, triple threat, and 6 way matches during his 1st run)
Worst: Rick Steiner (don't even remember that reign since it was near WCW's death and i'm sure it was pointless)

That was reign was good use of Rick Steiner actually, he held the title well over a year combined I bet.

Best - Lex Luger, he brought the title to heights it really never had been or got to again. To my memory he was also elevated via the title, they made the title important which made him important. In his prime he was the perfect US Champion.

Honorable mentions Austin, Raven, and Chris Benoit.

Worst - this is hard because there are so many forgettable holders, I'm gonna go with.... hmmm....

David Flair.... I can't remember anyone else worse.

[Aguakate]

Best: Rick Rude

Worst: Goldberg

[TheChairman]

Best = Lex Luger

Worst = Goldberg

[Jordan]

How is Goldberg the worst? That was the build of one of the greatest wrestling characters of all time.

[Aguakate]

...they just gave him the strap while he continued to build his streak...they actually devalued the title.

[Seth82]

Best: Blackjack Mulligan

Worst: One Man Gang

[The Genius]

best : sting
worst : steve mongo mcmichael

[Aguakate]

LOL Steve "Mongo" McMichael...hadn't heard of him in years...

[Wolfpack423]

If WCW US title reigns are included:

Best: Diamond Dallas Page-absolutely loved this reign. All the defenses were great and one of the best parts of WCW at the time.
Worst: David Flair

If WWE reigns are only being considered
Best: Chris Benoit
Worst: R-Truth

[Aguakate]

There was a point where the US Title in WCW was what the Intercontinental Title was in the WWF, the belt they'd give guys who were on the rise, to see if they were World Champion material...

[The Naitch]

WWE Era

Best: John Cena / Carlito
Worst: Sheamus (WTF)

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Best: Rick Rude
Worst: Orlando Jordan

[Joesgonnakillyou]

It's an odd question because my least favourite reign was Raven's because he deserved better, Orlando Jordan was the worst Champion, but he lost it in an entertaining way.

[Gertner]

Best: Raven
Worst: Daniel Bryan. Wow, I even got bored typing his name.

[big stank]

best:sting
worse: john cena

[JimmyMess]

best: Sting or BIG POPPA PUMP
worst: Lashley

[LK]

Best: Benoit
Worst: Miz

[Wolfpack423]

Best: Benoit
Worst: Miz

I wasn't a fan of Miz's reign either. I was going to put that but then I remembered R-Truth's meaningless reign.

[RiX1024]

Best: Rick Rude

Worst: OJ

[MoFo]

Best - Who betta than Kanyon?
Worst - Miz (barely even defended it, was just a prop)

[Emperor Smeat]

Best - The Miz.
Loved how much he developed and momentum he gained during his reign which ended up setting up his future WWE championship reign and main event status.

Worst - Raven's 1 day reign.
WCW almost completely mis-managed his entire time with the company and instead of using the victory over DDP as a launch point, he lost it the next day to Goldberg who was more focused on chasing the heavyweight title than being a US champion. He never went back competing in the division due to be occupied in feuds against his flock and other lower tier stuff during the last year in the company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I never saw much of the US Title in WCW, but in the WWE, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who held the belt as well as Chris Benoit did. His matches were great, he often dominated, and it felt like he actually really wanted to be the US Champion. His stuff with MVP was great, too, and then he passed off the belt to MVP, whose first reign I felt was magnificent, too. I'd like to say that I feel that Dolph Ziggler could be remembered as one of the greatest US Champions if he has the kind of reign I can imagine him having. Once he finally gets done with Kofi Kingston, they can feud him with Evan Bourne. If Ziggler wins that, next can be Zack Ryder, etc. So many fun match-ups, and if Ziggler holds the US Title through it, and with the WWE often flirting with him near the top -- I can imagine him having a better reign than MVP's.

[Bad Company]

Best - Lance Storm
Worst - Orlando Jordan first came to mind when I saw the thread title.

[Ultra Mantis]

Best: Benoit
Worst: Disappointing David Flair

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I'd like to change my worst from Orlando Jordan to David Flair.

[Chavo Classic]

Never watched WCW, so based on WWE alone:

Best: Guerrero
Worst: Bobby Lashley

I'm interested to see where Ziggler goes with the belt. The guy has got looks and talent, and should get some very good matches out of the likes of Kofi, Bryan, DiBiase, Rhodes and hopefully Ryder.

[XL]

3 of those guys are on the opposite brand to Ziggler/the US Title. Whilst cross-brand matches aren't out of the question, I think there's more chance we'll see great matches against Zack Ryder (You Know It States Champion), Jack Swagger (All American American "American" Champion), Evan Bourne (Air-merican Champion :shifty:), etc.

In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of decent face challengers for Dolph. Riley maybe?

[Chavo Classic]

In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of decent face challengers for Dolph. Riley maybe?

I almost forgot about the brand divide. Ziggler has only recently switched too, so there's little chance of him going back.

[DLVH84]

NWA/WCW - Best days
Best - Barry Windham
Worst - One Man Gang

WCW - Dying days
Best - Lance Storm
Worst - David Flair

WWF/E
Best - Eddie Guerrero
Worst - John Cena

[XCaliber]

Best - Ken Kennedy
Worst - David Flair
For those who say The Miz is the worst I have only one question:

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[CSL]

could say the same thing about anointing Matt Hardy the worst ;)

[XCaliber]

could say the same thing about anointing Matt Hardy the worst ;)

Alright I forgot about one person who deserved the honor more but he's damn near close.

[CSL]

R-Truth, Finlay, Kennedy, Orlando Jordan, Carlito and Booker T all had worse WWE-era US title reigns imo than Hardy and that's only off the top of my head/not including WCW. That belt has arguably never been made to look more meaningful than when MVP and Hardy went back and forth over it for god knows how long.

[XL]

NWA/WCW - Best days
Best - Barry Windham
Worst - One Man Gang

WCW - Dying days
Best - Lance Storm
Worst - David Flair

WWF/E
Best - Eddie Guerrero
Worst - John Cena
:roll:

Any chance you could pick one best and one worst? Otherwise I won't be able to include your choices in the overall vote.

[Flash Funk]

Best- Rick Rude

Worst- Mongo

[XL]

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You're upset because DVLH can't understand the concept of the "game"?

[VSG]

Wow Seth, that was a pretty bad neg rep.

[Innovator]

Sports Entertainment Hipsters.

[Innovator]

Best: MVP, for the purpose of bringing the title back up a bunch of notches with his heel run.

Worst: David Flair.

[LK]

You're right XCaliber, that catchphrase totally changes my mind. Now you've reminded me of that, am I too late for the Best & Worse WWE Champion?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Best: Chris Benoit
Worst: Orlando Jordan

I mean, c'mon:

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Remember the episode of SD! where OJ got his rematch and lost in even LESS time than at SummerSlam '05?

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:23.4:eek:/:rofl::lol:

[Theo Dious]

Remember the episode of SD! where OJ got his rematch and lost in even LESS time than at SummerSlam '05?

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:23.4:eek:/:rofl::lol:

Kind of sad that Benoit's biggest achievement in charisma was taking a piss in mockery of a defeated opponent.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Kind of sad that Benoit's biggest achievement in charisma was taking a piss in mockery of a defeated opponent.

That's not true. He also mocked OJ for losing in :25.5 at SummerSlam by making a cup of coffee in less time. :shifty:

[VSG]

And taking a trip to the restroom. People actually made signs for this "feud".

[XL]

Are we done voting on this?

[MVP]

Not yet

Best: Lex Luger
Worst: Orlando Jordan

[XL]

BEST

33 names were put forward as the "Best Ever US Champ" but the man who takes home the title and a place in the B&W Hall of Fame with 18% of the vote....



















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WORST

14 names were suggested as the "Worst Ever US Champ" but 2 names stood out head and shoulders above the pack: Orlando Jordan and David Flair. Going into the B&W Hall of Shame with 21% of the vote...
















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On a side note, 3 men were voted as both 'Best' and 'Worst', Cena, Raven and Miz.

[VSG]

Black & White Hall of Fame? I knew you were into interracial stuff but this is ridiculous.

[Graveler]

Wow, David Flair got fat

[Triple Naitch]

That's Wee Gooner.

[Tazz Dan]

Fuck you Kyle I was about to post that