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07-11-2011, 10:00 PM
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Probably gonna watch the last 2 or 3 episodes to refresh myself and get hyped.

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07-11-2011, 10:05 PM
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Lock Jaw
07-11-2011, 11:36 PM
Recently rewatched all three seasons to get myself hyped.

Fox
07-11-2011, 11:56 PM
I can't wait.

The Destroyer
07-12-2011, 02:45 AM
They still haven't shown season 3 in the UK. This show gets too little love over here.

G
07-12-2011, 07:57 PM
Recently rewatched all three seasons to get myself hyped.


You sir are an animal

CSL
07-12-2011, 08:52 PM
going to try and not watch any of it and watch them all at once or at least in blocks, can't just watch one ep at a time of this

What Would Kevin Do?
07-12-2011, 10:07 PM
I recently watched the first three seasons for the first time. I'm seriously kicking myself because I finished it about 3 weeks ago, and I want it to continue now. Seriously one of the best "cliffhangers" I've ever seen on a show.

G
07-12-2011, 11:06 PM
I recently watched the first three seasons for the first time. I'm seriously kicking myself because I finished it about 3 weeks ago, and I want it to continue now. Seriously one of the best "cliffhangers" I've ever seen on a show.


dude, you got it easy. some of us have been waiting over a year :(

What Would Kevin Do?
07-13-2011, 09:14 PM
dude, you got it easy. some of us have been waiting over a year :(

True. Still, knowing now what I didn't know then, I would have spaced it out a little more. Alas, I'll be bat shit insane by the time the season starts anyway, so it's a moot point.

Requiem
07-14-2011, 02:56 AM
CAN'T FUCKING WAIT. Have not been so pumped for a show to start in a while. Probably my favorite TV show.

G
07-17-2011, 01:48 PM
STARTS TONIGHT

Fox
07-18-2011, 06:27 AM
Pretty awesome premiere - the first five minutes where we finally get to find out what happened after Jesse pulled the trigger were just amazing. Gus is obviously a ruthless son of a bitch and is going to be the next "problem" that Walt and Jesse have to solve. Still not entirely sure why he did what he did to his second-hand man like that, but maybe they'll get more into that next episode.

G
07-18-2011, 10:32 AM
Probably because he was seen at the crime scene :-\




And to show how bad ass he is :D

Requiem
07-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Yeah. I think it was a couple things. First, the guy fucked up. He got himself seen. Second, it shows that NOBODY is immune. Showed that he will straight fuck someone's shit up even if they've been really loyal before, if they so much as fuck up. Third, I think it was almost a sign to them.. saying like "Ok, now NOBODY knows anything about your recipe. Start cooking."

But there's no way Walt and Jesse are going to keep working for this guy. Unless things are actually way better than Gus is acting. I mean, he wants the product. Maybe Jesse will quit fucking everything up and things will go good for a little while.

captaincharismark
07-18-2011, 03:27 PM
dude, you got it easy. some of us have been waiting over a year :(

Yeah, it sucked to have to wait over a year for the next season. Although it gave everyone a chance to catch up and notice all the small details, it seemed like forever.

I thought the premiere was good b/c it showed more backstory of how the lab was built and why Gus valued Gail so much. Interesting too that Gail's product wasn't as pure as Walt's. Gus clearly was sending Walt and Jesse a message with Victor that now that Gail is dead, they are his till they die. I know I was shocked to see Jesse's reaction to Gus killing Victor. Almost looked like he was smiling or smurking when it went down. For all of Walt's supposed genius, it appears that Jesse gets the business side of the drug system more than Walt. Walt didn't even eat after he saw it, meanwhile Jesse was starving.

So, it will be an interesting dynamic to see the transition of Walt and Jesse from scared normal ppl to badass drug kingpins...

Lock Jaw
07-19-2011, 06:02 PM
Scene with Gus was amazing. I guessed what he was going to do shortly after he started, but it still had me transfixed.

Buzzkill
07-19-2011, 07:08 PM
Well that was gory

captaincharismark
07-19-2011, 09:46 PM
Scene with Gus was amazing. I guessed what he was going to do shortly after he started, but it still had me transfixed.

Victor's character served no purpose in the story, so I figured he was gonna be killed off in the premiere. And when he was stupid enough to be seen at Gale's crime scene, it sealed his fate. Gus used his death to not only to punish him for that, but to send a message to Walt and Jesse.

It'll be interesting to see where they go from here. Eventually, I bet Walt and Jesse will become the top drug kingpins and Gus will die...

Fox
07-19-2011, 09:55 PM
Next week's preview seems to suggest that Walt and Jesse are beginning to put together a plan to kill Gus. I really do feel bad for the character of Gale - the guy was probably the biggest geek/pansy in the world, and he never would have hurt a fly, but he got shot in the eyeball anyways. The opening scene of the premiere really had me feeling for him.

I think it's going to be interesting to see where Jesse goes from here. His whole attitude after killing Gale suggests that a part of Jesse really is dead - his innocence is really, really gone now, and his attempts at keeping some "good" in him and not slipping down the heartless, destructive path of breaking bad will be interesting to watch. I think that might be why he was less fazed by the throat slitting than Walt was - Jesse just shot an innocent dude in the eye ball. Walt has killed before, but he's never had to look someone in the eyes and pull the trigger. He doesn't know what that feels like yet.

Can't wait for the next episode.

Lock Jaw
07-19-2011, 10:34 PM
During the course of this show it seems to me that Jesse probably would never have "fallen"/"descended into badness" as much as he has if not for the influence of Walt.

captaincharismark
07-20-2011, 12:20 AM
Next week's preview seems to suggest that Walt and Jesse are beginning to put together a plan to kill Gus. I really do feel bad for the character of Gale - the guy was probably the biggest geek/pansy in the world, and he never would have hurt a fly, but he got shot in the eyeball anyways. The opening scene of the premiere really had me feeling for him.

I think it's going to be interesting to see where Jesse goes from here. His whole attitude after killing Gale suggests that a part of Jesse really is dead - his innocence is really, really gone now, and his attempts at keeping some "good" in him and not slipping down the heartless, destructive path of breaking bad will be interesting to watch. I think that might be why he was less fazed by the throat slitting than Walt was - Jesse just shot an innocent dude in the eye ball. Walt has killed before, but he's never had to look someone in the eyes and pull the trigger. He doesn't know what that feels like yet.

Can't wait for the next episode.

It's really intriguing that Gale's death is almost presented as him being collateral damage in Walt/Jesse/Gus drama. He seemed like a harmless guy that otherwise would've never been in that position. To an extent, it felt like neither Walt or Jesse wanted to do it, but Gus left them no alternative. It is odd that it was set up so the fans would sympathize with Gale after he was shot. I guess that is what the backstory was intended to do.

With Gus killing Victor, I wonder if the lab notes left at Gale's place implicated Victor or Gus in some way. It would stand to reason if Victor was so upset after finding Gale that he knew he was in too deep to survive.

Finally, it does seem like Walt and Jesse are reaching a point of no return. Both keep having to make ruthless choices in order to stay alive or keep their dealings a secret. In the process both are losing whatever innocence they once had. I like how their characters are constantly evolving. It's clear once they elimate Gus, they are gonna be on the fast track to controlling all the drug activity. Ironic too that Walt was compared to Gus by Saul initially. In the end, I bet he'll be Gus. And Jesse will either be crazy or Scarface by the end...

dronepool
07-20-2011, 02:05 AM
Season 4 had a great start.

mhirn3
07-23-2011, 02:07 PM
going to try and not watch any of it and watch them all at once or at least in blocks, can't just watch one ep at a time of this

No kidding, that shit is hard.

The chicken man is fucking scary to me now after how this season started.

Next Big Thing
07-25-2011, 03:15 PM
I want to download each ep and then watch in blocks too. That's how I usually like to watch shows, but I never have the willpower to do it for this show. Still hoping Skyler dies ugly for the shit shes put Walt through.

I can't help but wonder how much longer this show can go though based on its premise.

Fox
07-25-2011, 10:12 PM
Pretty awesome episode last night. Jesse is fucking LOSING IT. I love the final shot of him in his trashed house alone, staring off, obviously totally fucked in the head from having shot Gale and all the other insane shit that's happened to him recently. I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being Jesse's last season. I feel like they're going to push him so far over the edge this season that by the end, we'll WANT for him to die so he doesn't have to suffer the pain of life anymore.

Walt's actions didn't really sit too well with me though. He should be smarter than trying to kill Gus in the lab, or trying to get Mike to help him with the hit. Walt should know that Gus is two steps ahead of him and if Walt is ever going to get out from under Gus' thumb, he's going to have to come up with some kind of brilliant plan.

captaincharismark
07-26-2011, 03:31 AM
going to try and not watch any of it and watch them all at once or at least in blocks, can't just watch one ep at a time of this

This is a very addictive show to watch. One of the few consistent quality shows on TV now. And the continuity on it is perhaps the best I've seen with little errors. Each episode leaves you wanting more...

Next Big Thing
08-02-2011, 08:40 AM
The most amazing thing about this show is that even filler episodes focused more on progressing side stories are intriguing. Hank's about to be a game changer.

captaincharismark
08-02-2011, 09:49 PM
The most amazing thing about this show is that even filler episodes focused more on progressing side stories are intriguing. Hank's about to be a game changer.

That why I love Breaking Bad. Even if the pace of an episode is slow, it still manages to advance the story. I also love the realistic way the characters change, depending on their situation. Seeing the evolution of the cast itself and the story it tells is very intriguing TV. Every week has you waiting to see where they'll go next...

St. Jimmy
08-02-2011, 11:03 PM
Screaming Go-Karts. :y:

Lock Jaw
08-08-2011, 04:24 PM
Damn. That last episode. :y:

Next Big Thing
08-09-2011, 12:15 AM
I swear that show is damn near perfect. It's like Jesus... It just can't do anything wrong.

Requiem
08-09-2011, 12:28 AM
^This

Just can't believe it. Leaves you wanting more every single week without being too 'shocking' all the time.

Think Jessie will die, or do you think he's going to kill Mike somehow? In that event, I think Gus will have a void that needs to be filled. Kinda think the beginning was supposed to show that Mike has many roles we're not aware of. The fact that he hasn't told Gus about Walt's proposition also makes me wonder if he would ever come around to the idea of toppling the kingpin.

thedamndest
08-09-2011, 05:53 PM
They aren't going to kill Jesse unless the show is ending or Aaron Paul wants out. The guy won an Emmy.

Requiem
08-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Yeah that's what I figure. But at some point I have to wonder just how far he is going to be pushed. He's been taking nothing but punches this whole show and I have to wonder with how steep a dive he's taken this season just how it's going to end up for him.

thedamndest
08-09-2011, 06:06 PM
I was thinking that if any member of the immediate family was expendable it would be his brother or sister-in-law.

Next Big Thing
08-09-2011, 06:07 PM
I'm really starting to think that Skyler might become more of a queenpin type character as the season progresses. Everything from the car wash idea to the gambling story to the fake tears during the dinner suggests to me that she's becoming a bit more conniving.

Requiem
08-09-2011, 08:21 PM
I'm kind of surprised that Walt hasn't taken better to her involving herself. I mean, I know he thought he had it all under control on his own, and you can see how agitated he gets when she talks about all of it. But at the same time, they got married for a reason and it seems that her intelligence and attention to detail may be something they both really have in common without realizing it. Like, they are really more alike than he would like to admit, and if she is willing to disregard the fact that he makes crystal meth then there should be a little something of a new spark there in their relationship.

Requiem
08-09-2011, 08:23 PM
Do you think Skyler is going to be what ends up saving Walt from Gus? I could see her coming up with some brilliant plan all of a sudden, or actually speaking with Gus face to face and changing everything.

Suicidal Icon
08-09-2011, 08:56 PM
Reading everything you guys write makes me love this show even more. So many ways they can go, who knows. Best show I've ever seen.

CSL
08-10-2011, 10:39 AM
The latest episode is the "quickest" I remember a 41-42 minute show passing by because I was "engrossed". When Mike and Jessie are driving down the road and the show ends, I was amazed/disappointed that there wasn't another 10-15 minutes left.

Next Big Thing
08-10-2011, 10:08 PM
Do you think Skyler is going to be what ends up saving Walt from Gus? I could see her coming up with some brilliant plan all of a sudden, or actually speaking with Gus face to face and changing everything.

Let's not forget that the Mexican Cartel is still lurking. I could actually see Skyler making some kind of deal with them down the line to take out Gus in exchange for them sparing her family or something.

Next Big Thing
08-10-2011, 10:12 PM
The latest episode is the "quickest" I remember a 41-42 minute show passing by because I was "engrossed". When Mike and Jessie are driving down the road and the show ends, I was amazed/disappointed that there wasn't another 10-15 minutes left.

Like you said before, this is the perfect show to watch in one big block. Just spend a weekend laid back drinking, smoking out and ordering food. Problem is, it's too good to not watch week to week.

Fox
08-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Finally got to watch the most recent episode... pretty unbelievable stuff. First of all, I knew Mike was a bad ass, but this last episode really pushed that to the limit. Mike is not to be fucked with.

I really like what they're doing with Skylar. It makes you wonder how well Walt really knew her after all. I mean, if she's this willing to go this far, why the hell didn't he tell her about this whole operation a long time ago? She's the perfect partner for him. I guess it just plays into his whole thing about not wanting help from anyone.

The end is probably the best cliffhanger BB has had since Walt and Jesse found themselves in a car with Tuco at the end of Season 1. I can't wait to find out where this goes. I can't believe Jesse is going to die, as, like someone else said, he JUST won an Emmy and they're not going to get rid of his character in the 5th episode of the new season. There's also no way he's killing Mike - another extremely important and engaging character to the story.

The ending reminds me of Mike's story about when he was a cop from "Half Measures." He takes this guy out into the middle of nowhere and threatens him with his life to stop beating up on his girlfriend, but then the guy killed her the following week anyways. At that point Mike decided no more half measures. Is it possible that Mike is going to threaten Jesse in a similar fashion? The fact that Jesse clearly doesn't care anymore - about his money, about his job or about his life - is obvious to everyone, including Mike, so he can't really think that threatening to kill Jesse will do anything. I think they could take it another direction and maybe Mike threatens to hurt Jesse's family, his little brother or his parents, if he keeps fucking up. If you can't get to the kid's mind, maybe Mike can get to his heart.

I love this fucking show.

Requiem
08-11-2011, 10:16 PM
I wonder if Mike won't just sit down and have a serious talk about what Jessie did. Maybe he realizes he's never killed anyone like that. Who knows what Mike was like earlier in his life.. he couldn't have always been this cold blooded. Maybe he's just taking him out to show him something important.

thedamndest
08-12-2011, 08:46 AM
Yeah, Mike is not a monster. Seems like an ex-cop or ex-military who is just used to violence. I don't know if I see Skyler saving Walt from Gus. She knows he cooks meth but doesn't know about a lot of things. She seems pretty clean compared to Walt, like she doesn't yet "get" it. In that regard I wouldn't think she's in a position to save him, but who knows.

Next Big Thing
08-12-2011, 02:47 PM
I wonder if Mike won't just sit down and have a serious talk about what Jessie did. Maybe he realizes he's never killed anyone like that. Who knows what Mike was like earlier in his life.. he couldn't have always been this cold blooded. Maybe he's just taking him out to show him something important.

This scene from last season makes me feel differently.

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Taker it Easy
08-13-2011, 10:49 AM
Love the show, hate the wife.

mhirn3
08-13-2011, 12:59 PM
Love the show, hate the wife.

A fucking men to that one dude. That bitch drives me insane. I cringe when she's on screen.

Skippord
08-15-2011, 04:33 AM
would watch a whole show about Mike

CSL
08-15-2011, 01:06 PM
just been renewed for a 16 episode final season

Next Big Thing
08-15-2011, 02:09 PM
Spoiler Space Don't Read Past This Point






Was Skyler still sleeping with Ted before she asked Walt to move back in? I remember the scene in the bed room where Walt asked about the smell of the sheets and she said it was a new fabric softener and then he seemed to lose it after seeing the Beneke coffee cup.

Fox
08-15-2011, 10:05 PM
just been renewed for a 16 episode final season

While I'm sad that there's only going to be one more, I do like the fact that, like "The Wire", they have a plan for where the show is going and how it's going to end. It's not going to be some bullshit situation where they invent new storylines just to keep the show going for ratings (I'm looking at you, "LOST").

Requiem
08-15-2011, 10:09 PM
LOST had an ending planned from the start, what are you talking about? I'm sure there were stories in there that they didn't intend from the start, and they had to change details as they went because of casting issues, or stories simply not able to be panned out as they planned, but the show had a direction from the start. If anything, they only suffered because of a badly timed writer's strike.

Requiem
08-15-2011, 10:12 PM
Also, I'll be sad to see this show end, but I hope that knowing its ending point allows them to fill the final season with epicness.

My only question - will Walt die of cancer, be killed by his decisions, or go to prison? Those finishes will either justify his actions, or vilify him.

RoXer
08-15-2011, 10:48 PM
He'll be executed

Lock Jaw
08-15-2011, 11:29 PM
It is my opinion that the end of the series pretty much has to have Walt dying in some way.

Jesse lives on.

Fox
08-16-2011, 05:54 AM
LOST had an ending planned from the start, what are you talking about? I'm sure there were stories in there that they didn't intend from the start, and they had to change details as they went because of casting issues, or stories simply not able to be panned out as they planned, but the show had a direction from the start. If anything, they only suffered because of a badly timed writer's strike.

I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.

Fox
08-16-2011, 05:57 AM
Also, I'll be sad to see this show end, but I hope that knowing its ending point allows them to fill the final season with epicness.

My only question - will Walt die of cancer, be killed by his decisions, or go to prison? Those finishes will either justify his actions, or vilify him.

I want to believe that he's going to end up right back where he started at the beginning of season 1 somehow - dying of lung cancer, unable to financially support his family, unrecognized as a great scientist (or even as "the great Heisenberg") and filled with regrets. And then he dies of the cancer.

I think it'd be the best way to end the series. It would really push the point that no matter what, "breaking bad" is not the way to get ahead in life, and that Walter's real problems have always been his massive ego.

RoXer
08-16-2011, 12:05 PM
I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could,

Lost had a general idea from the conception of the show. It wasn't until the break between season 1 and 2 when Lindelof and Cuse sat down with Abrams to flesh out the entire story.

which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere,

Not true.

development of characters with absolutely no pay-off,

Not true.

pointless filler episodes,

Not true. While certain characters that were only meant for a few episodes were written to become regulars of the show, those episodes extended their development and they meshed into the show flawlessly. I would argue that there were only 2 episodes of Lost that were crap. Everything else had a reason.

and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series.

Not true.

While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

If I were to believe that then they wouldn't have shown the last 3 season in 16 straight weeks. If they were in it for the money they would have started the season in September and shown repeats during the breaks.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.

I am also glad that the writers of Breaking Bad have a concept and planned ending to reach in an allotted time as the writers of Lost did.

Next Big Thing
08-16-2011, 12:29 PM
I want to believe that he's going to end up right back where he started at the beginning of season 1 somehow - dying of lung cancer, unable to financially support his family, unrecognized as a great scientist (or even as "the great Heisenberg") and filled with regrets. And then he dies of the cancer.

I think it'd be the best way to end the series. It would really push the point that no matter what, "breaking bad" is not the way to get ahead in life, and that Walter's real problems have always been his massive ego.

Based on the last episode, I see Jesse straightening up and being groomed by Mike and Gus to take over operations and there might be a final confrontation with him and Walt.

I can't help but feel like between now and the end of the series a major character close to Walt like Skyler or his son is going to end up killed and that is going to be the beginning of the end for one side or the other.

Requiem
08-16-2011, 02:48 PM
I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.

It's not hard to believe. It's fact. They KNEW the ending, and Mathew Fox was the only character on the show who had read the ending.

Also, what RoXer said. Have you ever actually read, in detail, the LOST wiki? There is such an absurd amount of detail (and yes, SOME unanswered questions, which are completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things). But the amount of questions that were answered, or things that were purposely left to speculate on, are in the hundreds, if not thousands.

This show could not have finished in 3 seasons. Guarantee it, so I do not believe wherever you supposedly 'heard' that from, as this is literally the first time I ever heard that it was supposed to be 3 seasons, and I spent countless hours upon hours reading into this show.

Some 'person' telling you this or whatever, does not evidence make. Sounds to me like you are simply disappointed with its ending, and thus think a large portion of the content was filler. But from the perspective of someone who very much loved the ending, (it grew on me, as I was left a bit underwhelmed at first), I see that the content of this show had every bit of a purpose.

Probably the only characters that were developed with no payoff, were Walt, whom simply aged and the writers were unable to tie up properly. (He still had a major role in the story) And then those 2 diamond schmucks, whom the audience hated so much that the writers simply wrote them out. There was also an issue with Anna Lucia's character because she got in trouble off-set, so they had to write her out as well IIRC.

You say filler episodes, and I'm sure there were a couple.. but there was never a single episode that didn't tie in in some way to what was going on. Something that happened, was meant to make you think/ponder and tie it to the events.

Seriously, browse the LOST wiki, or simply watch this show again from a new perspective. I have seen all the episodes about 3 times now, and while it wasn't the perfect show, it was incredible, and there will never be anything like it again, and that saddens me.

Requiem
08-16-2011, 02:52 PM
Also, every single one of the MAIN characters, were tied up beautifully. Some of the 'side' characters didn't serve a role in the ending, but they served their purpose during the life of the show. But ALL of the main characters' stories were tied up at the end.

G
08-16-2011, 06:53 PM
RoXer and Requiem are to LOST like Kalyx is to fighting games. Don't get them started

Fox
08-17-2011, 03:44 AM
I would like to see Mr. White run down Matthew Fox in his Aztek.

Corporate CockSnogger
08-17-2011, 12:03 PM
Only just started watching this. Just finished season 2.

I'm happy to see Roxer and Req defending Lost also.

St. Jimmy
08-22-2011, 03:00 AM
GOD Skyler is a cunt.

Fox
08-22-2011, 03:02 AM
Spoiler alert, Jimmy.

St. Jimmy
08-22-2011, 03:40 AM
Spoiler alert, Jimmy.

If that is a spoiler you have watched NONE of this show.

Next Big Thing
08-22-2011, 11:21 AM
She really is a dumb bitch.

Requiem
08-22-2011, 06:36 PM
At the same time, I can see where she is coming from

She -is- going to take a lot of shit from her son, but she is more serious about treating this discreetly than Walt is. But wtf was up with the coin flip? She trying to figure out where she wants to run off to or what? I mean, she was obviously a bit freaked out when Walt went on his little rant about him being the one doing the knocking (Which was coming, sooner or later, I felt. She just kept downplaying what he did, and almost insulting the amount of effort he had put into his new job.)

Next Big Thing
08-22-2011, 06:49 PM
She finds out her unemployed, cancer stricken husband is cooking meth so his family has enough money to survive when he dies and reacts by fucking her boss and kicking him out of his own house.

Granted, Walt's recent actions were a bit off but I think that goes to further the storyline of him losing it.

St. Jimmy
08-22-2011, 06:54 PM
I think if she does eventually bite it, not likely, Walt will end up like this:
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Requiem
08-22-2011, 07:02 PM
Feel like you are watching a different show or something. Like, in no way have they made Walt out to be a hero, IMO. He started as a cancer stricken man doing this to provide for his family, but he has gone way beyond that. He is addicted to who he has become. He is the hero of the story, sure, but he has legit murdered people, and ordered people to be murdered. And let's not forget he is making METH, one of the hands down worst hard drugs you could do. Walt himself said without him, a business large enough to be on the NASDAQ would go under instantly. I like this story because it shows the changes this family man has gone through due to the circumstances he was put through, but it shows the dark side of it all. Not because it is following the life of this 'hero' who is put on a pedestal or anything.

That's why I think he will not die of cancer. Because the point of this show should not be to glorify his lifestyle choices, but instead to show that, as someone said, Breaking Bad only gives you problems. The sweetest ending for this whole thing would be for him to be completely cured of his cancer and for his decisions to lead to his death. It's predictable, sure. But it's poetic and would mean way more than any other ending, IMO.

Next Big Thing
08-22-2011, 07:51 PM
He has certainly taken a darker turn the past season and a half, but initially Walt was compelled to start cooking because of his dire circumstances and desire to support his family. He wasn't splurging on himself and tried to keep his cooking a secret early on. He didn't want notoriety or glory. The incident with Tuco ruined that. His actions are not heroic, but it is understandable from his perspective.

I'm just saying that you would think as his wife, Skyler would be more understanding considering the circumstances that led him to doing what he has and not react to the extent she has at times.

To me, the show represents the slippery slope of drug dealing and does a great job of showing the perils and not glorifying it, but IMO Walt's still cooking is due to him falling down that slippery slope more so than being addicted to the lifestyle or power it brings.

I personally think Walt's actions over these past few episodes are more of him reacting to being vulnerable/treated like a victim/portrayed as weak minded more than being addicted to who he has become. Walt's more of an indentured servant than a partner. He gets played by his wife in the worst way with three simple words, "I fucked Ted," Gus owns him, Mike beat his ass despite Walt being armed and Jesse disrespects him constantly and seems to have a higher status than him or at least it's being made to seem that way (I don't think Jesse being called away and leaving Walt to clean up after the cook was coincidental).

His order to kill Gale was done primarily to keep him and Jesse alive, not to eliminate competition. He bought the gun, not to kill Gus and take over the meth empire, but because he saw Gus kill Mike's #2 man and felt that was his only way out of the bad situation.

The incident at dinner was brought about by being reminded of Skyler's affair, having to lie about being some lowly, weak gambling addict for pity from his in-laws, and hearing Hank somewhat praise Gale as a genius moments after Walt had to humble himself with that lie . The rant from this week was due to Skyler again making it seem like he was in over his head/ unable to cope with his situation.

I can understand why a guy who is floating a business that is large enough to be listed on NASDAQ would eventually grow to be resentful about being looked at as weak or a victim and having the shit kicked out of him by everyone around him.

Requiem
08-22-2011, 08:12 PM
I get all that, but I -do- feel he is addicted to the life now. Think they have kinda hinted at that by how upset he gets when people talk about his 'addiction' (gambling). Don't think he gets angry because of the gambling lie. I think he gets angry because he doesn't want people to know just how addicted he really is. One of the old episodes, with him walking out to the parking lot to tell off those 2 amateurs, I think was one of the turning points for Walt. He wasn't happy with who he was, and he felt what it was like to be this different person. The show has followed his development to this mild mannered man who was always walked on and never got the respect he deserved, to -fighting- for respect and being a feared man.

That's why it pissed him off so much when his wife kept pushing the issue last episode. Like, he is pissed at always being looked down on, when he himself FEELS like he deserves more. Like he has put all this effort into creating a persona for himself that was so unlike what he used to be, that when he is spoken down to, it really infuriates him. But in this other world, he feels he is still better than all these druggies and gangs. I think he really feels that he is 'above' Gus, even though Gus is clearly in charge. That's why I think he's addicted to it. Because he won't stop until he actually IS better than these people. He had a chance to stop after he made a shit ton of money working for Gus, before he agreed to stay on for longer. I think he really could have walked away from it then. Before he burned bridges. But he is addicted to how this whole thing makes him feel. Like, he's been more alive while 'dying' than he has been his entire life.

Requiem
08-22-2011, 08:14 PM
Like, he feels his choices are justified. He told their son that he stands by his decisions and that it wasn't an addiction. But I think that's because he doesn't want to admit it to himself.

Requiem
08-22-2011, 08:16 PM
Really love this show. Don't think there's many shows on the air still that make you really think about the deeper impact and reasoning behind decisions that a character has made. The writers are fantastic. :y: And he is a great actor to be able to create this kind of debate. Walt is just a really complicated character.

Buzzkill
08-22-2011, 09:45 PM
I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.
lol since when is trying to make money off of your hard work whoring yourself out?

Gotta pay the bills.

Lock Jaw
08-22-2011, 11:48 PM
I must agree with Req though. From very early on in the series I think it has been shown that Walt enjoys "breaking bad" and is addicted to it.

I think the real interesting thing over the course of the show is Walt's descent into darkness, and his relationship with Jesse.

Jesse is nowhere near Walt's level. It almost seemed like at several points in the series that Jesse could have potentially have gone out of the business... but he is always pulled back in to it by Walt, and finds himself being dragged down by Walt ever further.

I mean, pretty much everything bad that has happened to Jesse, or his friends, has been because of Walt's greed for more money/power/respect. Culminating of course with Walt digging himself in such a hole that Jesse has to kill Gale for him. Which seems to have set Jesse off the the hinge.

Fox
08-24-2011, 06:25 PM
If that is a spoiler you have watched NONE of this show.

First, I was joking. Second, I've followed the show avidly since day one.

I don't quite agree with people's opinion of Skylar. I think her running off to fuck her boss after finding out the truth was a bit drastic, but it was a very human choice for the writers to make. It didn't make sense in any way except that she was looking for an escape, and this good-looking, charming, nice, rich man who was nothing but nice to her was the perfect escape from the insanity her life had become.

She's also been very logical this entire season (except for the coin, but we'll get to that). Walt buying his son the Corvette was fucking STUPID. Possibly the stupidest thing this extremely intelligent man has done up to this point; a total disregard for the story he and Skylar came up with, a total disregard for the possibility of being audited by the IRS, and basically just a totally ridiculous thing to do. Skylar's reaction was RIGHT. Her decision to leave the house for a day or two was right as well - she just found out that her husband is a murderer. We've known it since Season 1 - she's just finding out in Season 4. We're used to the fact that Walt has done terrible things, has killed people, seen people die without doing a thing to help, and has ordered men to die by others. We've come to accept that it's part of his journey, but Skylar is just discovering it, and it terrified her. It was the logical reaction to leave.

The coin flip is interesting. "Fate" provided her the chance to leave for Colorado, but she moved the coin back to New Mexico because somewhere inside of her, she loves this too. Skylar is slowly breaking bad. She's apparently accepted that Walt is a killer, and is seemingly willing to stick around and keep this thing going.

The situation with Jesse and Mike is also very interesting. I believe that Walt is right - Gus is trying to turn them against each other, and maybe, just maybe, is planning to get rid of the much smarter, scheming, devious Walter in favor of Jesse. Perhaps he believes Jesse can be more easily bent to his will, that Jesse can teach someone else the formula and then Gus can be done with them both forever.

My prediction (which has almost always been wrong in regards to this show) is that Mike comes to actually really like Jesse, and when the time comes for him to "get rid of Jesse" at Gus' request, he makes the choice to save Jesse and kill Gus instead. This would leave Walt, Jesse and Mike running the business, and then in Season 5 they go up against the Mexican Cartel and a newly-walking Hank.

I love this fucking show.

Next Big Thing
08-24-2011, 06:44 PM
I can definitely see Skyler beginning to embrace it more as time goes. She's shown her ability to be a "boss" type in her dealings with the lawyer and car wash owner, not to mention the story itself was her idea.

Fox
08-28-2011, 04:12 PM
New episode premieres tonight. Any predictions?

Something tells me that tonight's episode is going to be the "1 Minute" of season 4 - it's been relatively lax for the past few episodes and nothing too "shocking" has really happened since Gus slit that guy's throat in Ep1. I'm not sure what it's going to be, but I have a feeling something BIG is going down tonight and it will be a "Holy Shit!" episode.

Next Big Thing
08-28-2011, 05:53 PM
Gus did tell Mike to set up a meeting with the Mexicans at the end of the last episode. Could be interesting.

St. Jimmy
08-29-2011, 03:51 AM
:eek:

Next Big Thing
08-29-2011, 10:00 AM
Oh shit.

Requiem
08-29-2011, 12:33 PM
What were the Mexicans asking for in the meeting? Walt? Hank?

Next Big Thing
08-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I wonder if Gus let Hank get his finger prints on purpose. I have a hard time believing that someone as meticulous as Gus would have his finger prints in Gale's apartment and then personally serve Hank his refill.

With that, Gus and Mike gassing Jesse up about being special and Mike teaching Jesse how to shoot, it seems like he's playing one long con that will somehow end up with Jesse squaring off with Hank and Walt somehow being implicated.

Lock Jaw
08-29-2011, 04:56 PM
Have a feeling that Gus is gonna go on a rampage soon.

Sonofanarchy
08-29-2011, 08:45 PM
First, I was joking. Second, I've followed the show avidly since day one.

I don't quite agree with people's opinion of Skylar. I think her running off to fuck her boss after finding out the truth was a bit drastic, but it was a very human choice for the writers to make. It didn't make sense in any way except that she was looking for an escape, and this good-looking, charming, nice, rich man who was nothing but nice to her was the perfect escape from the insanity her life had become.

She's also been very logical this entire season (except for the coin, but we'll get to that). Walt buying his son the Corvette was fucking STUPID. Possibly the stupidest thing this extremely intelligent man has done up to this point; a total disregard for the story he and Skylar came up with, a total disregard for the possibility of being audited by the IRS, and basically just a totally ridiculous thing to do. Skylar's reaction was RIGHT. Her decision to leave the house for a day or two was right as well - she just found out that her husband is a murderer. We've known it since Season 1 - she's just finding out in Season 4. We're used to the fact that Walt has done terrible things, has killed people, seen people die without doing a thing to help, and has ordered men to die by others. We've come to accept that it's part of his journey, but Skylar is just discovering it, and it terrified her. It was the logical reaction to leave.

The coin flip is interesting. "Fate" provided her the chance to leave for Colorado, but she moved the coin back to New Mexico because somewhere inside of her, she loves this too. Skylar is slowly breaking bad. She's apparently accepted that Walt is a killer, and is seemingly willing to stick around and keep this thing going.

The situation with Jesse and Mike is also very interesting. I believe that Walt is right - Gus is trying to turn them against each other, and maybe, just maybe, is planning to get rid of the much smarter, scheming, devious Walter in favor of Jesse. Perhaps he believes Jesse can be more easily bent to his will, that Jesse can teach someone else the formula and then Gus can be done with them both forever.

My prediction (which has almost always been wrong in regards to this show) is that Mike comes to actually really like Jesse, and when the time comes for him to "get rid of Jesse" at Gus' request, he makes the choice to save Jesse and kill Gus instead. This would leave Walt, Jesse and Mike running the business, and then in Season 5 they go up against the Mexican Cartel and a newly-walking Hank.

I love this fucking show.


The things is how is Ted any better then Walt, prob worse... wasn't he also cheating on his wife and a white collor criminal cooking the books.

It seems walt is doing it for his family because he was thinking death was around the corner yet Ted is doing it out of pure greed(from what I've come to gather, he isnt hurting financialy and isnt dying nor does he give a fuck about his wife).

Lock Jaw
08-29-2011, 08:55 PM
Ted was divorced, and said he was doing it to keep the company afloat, and not have to lay off a whole lot of people.

Next Big Thing
08-30-2011, 09:21 AM
Kind of funny if you think about it. He was cooking books to keep his business afloat and Walt was cooking meth to keep his family afloat. I think Walt was still fighting the cancer or in the early stages of recovery and relatively small time at that point.

Hank might be the only character on this show with clean hands.

Lock Jaw
08-30-2011, 12:19 PM
He did beat the shit out of Jesse and have his badge taken away.

Fox
09-01-2011, 08:24 AM
He did beat the shit out of Jesse and have his badge taken away.

He also bails out his wife repeatedly from being arrested for stealing - in a way, using his "pull" to allow her to break the law.

Hank also showed a total lack of discipline when he was searching for Jesse's RV, illegally spying on innocent civilians in a trailer park.

RoXer
09-01-2011, 12:33 PM
I wonder if Gus let Hank get his finger prints on purpose. I have a hard time believing that someone as meticulous as Gus would have his finger prints in Gale's apartment and then personally serve Hank his refill.

With that, Gus and Mike gassing Jesse up about being special and Mike teaching Jesse how to shoot, it seems like he's playing one long con that will somehow end up with Jesse squaring off with Hank and Walt somehow being implicated.

I think you think too much of him.

Requiem
09-01-2011, 12:36 PM
Yeah I really don't think he did it on purpose.

Requiem
09-01-2011, 12:36 PM
Like, there is really NO reason at all he would want to purposely incriminate himself and get the DEA interested in him. It would serve absolutely no purpose.

thedamndest
09-01-2011, 04:36 PM
Gus is not The Riddler.

Sonofanarchy
09-01-2011, 04:58 PM
Ted was divorced, and said he was doing it to keep the company afloat, and not have to lay off a whole lot of people.

I stand corrected...

still, is one better then the other? I think that one could go for debate.

Sonofanarchy
09-01-2011, 05:01 PM
Gus is not The Riddler.


no he's more bad ass...

Unrelated: my dad used to be drinkning buddies with one of the two guys who played ridler in the batman movie/old school show. The first one (movie guy and i guess the first few seasons of the show)

Buzzkill
09-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Pretty sweet episode..

I'm glad they're finally fleshing out Gus's character a bit...and that scene by the pool was incredibly well shot.

Next Big Thing
09-05-2011, 03:23 PM
no he's more bad ass...

Definitely. Loved when Walt went to the counter with the tracker and Gus kept telling him to just do it.

Lock Jaw
09-05-2011, 08:39 PM
I think Gus is reaching his BREAKING POINT.

Gonna rampage pretty soon. Prolly gonna end up dead.

Fox
09-10-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm finally caught up on my BB. Things are definitely getting very, very interesting. We have yet to see the unbelievable, holy shit-shocking episode yet that brings everyone to a stand still. In season 1 it was when Walt blew up Tuco's offices with the shard of exploding crystal. Season 2 was pretty full of holy shit moments, but it was probably the episode where Jesse was in the meth house with Skank and the little kid, or possibly when Jane died. And Season 3 was obviously all about "1 Minute" and then "Half-Measures."

I feel like this season they are building to what's going to be a mind-blowing last 3-4 episodes. I'm interested to see where Gus goes with this whole thing with Hank trying to get to him. Like Mike said, if they kill Hank then it will immediately raise questions, but if another Pollos Hermanos truck gets attacked by the Cartel and this time it goes public, then they'll be in a world of shit that way as well. I think that Gus might get too wrapped up in dealing with all of this shit and that Jesse might use his distraction as an opportunity to make his move and get rid of Gus for good - worried about the DEA, worried about the Mexican cartel, worried about Walt - then little Jesse Pinkman comes along and does the job himself.

But then what?

Sonofanarchy
09-11-2011, 05:26 PM
new one tonight. looking foward to it...

G
09-11-2011, 07:09 PM
can't believe the new season will be over soon. didn't seem like that long ago it started.

RoXer
09-11-2011, 07:11 PM
That long ago started it did

Sonofanarchy
09-11-2011, 11:35 PM
I don't know how to do that spolier thing so wont post for now...

thedamndest
09-13-2011, 04:47 PM
<spoiler><spoilers>You can post spoilers in this thread. But it's < spoilers >< /spoilers > without the spaces.</spoilers></spoiler>

thedamndest
09-13-2011, 04:48 PM
No it isn't. I don't know how the fuck you do it anymore.

Lock Jaw
09-13-2011, 05:11 PM
[ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] without the spaces.

Anyways, screw those tags.

Good episode. Been waiting for that final scene since the beginning of the show.

El Fangel
09-13-2011, 07:33 PM
I am loving this so far, just watched Episode 4.

St. Jimmy
09-14-2011, 05:11 AM
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfofeDg151qzn1iso1_r3_500.jpg BRING IT MOTHERFUCKER.

Lock Jaw
09-14-2011, 11:27 AM
S'a nice coat...

CSL
09-14-2011, 03:13 PM
why are we hiding spoilers and so forth? If it takes me a day or two to watch the latest episode, I simply avoid the thread. If you don't do that yet are going to complain about spoilers, you are a spastic.

Next Big Thing
09-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Loved that last scene. I too have been wanting that to go down for awhile.

El Fangel
09-14-2011, 07:36 PM
http://images.wikia.com/southpark/images/8/8a/Jimmyvulmer.gif http://images.wikia.com/breakingbad/images/9/9d/Walt_Jr.jpg




even the fucking HAIR is parted in the same way.

CSL
09-14-2011, 07:45 PM
lol just noticed the Fallen Angel post like 2 above my last post, that was not aimed at you. Although the sentiment remains.

El Fangel
09-14-2011, 07:47 PM
At Requiems suggestion, I downloaded the first two seasons. Watching with my wife, so it's a bit slower paced due to working opposite shifts until my schedule rotates again.

I appreciate the spoiler tags though.

Fox
09-15-2011, 05:43 AM
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfofeDg151qzn1iso1_r3_500.jpg BRING IT MOTHERFUCKER.

Gus got over with me in this most recent episode. It's really interesting how they're showing that this evil son of a bitch, who has tried to kill the two main characters and has proven that he is absolutely ruthless, is now being painted as something of a "hero" in the past 2 episodes. First with the flashback, where I actually felt bad for the guy watching his friend's head get blown off, and then with the Terminator walking into bullets shit that made him look like even more of a bad ass.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2011, 01:15 PM
Another great episode. The Gus Rampage is in full swing.

CSL
09-19-2011, 01:48 PM
So sick of episodes of this show finishing :(

CSL
09-19-2011, 01:49 PM
also, Morris O'Briannn

Next Big Thing
09-19-2011, 01:50 PM
God damn. Loving Jesse right now.

Requiem
09-19-2011, 11:35 PM
Holy crap.

Just wow. Amazing episode.

Have to say this though. Jesse is never coming back from this lifestyle. :( He just got sucked in. I wondered where he would end up, and it seems apparent now that there's no turning back.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2011, 11:58 PM
Dunno. I still see Jesse somehow getting out of the life at the end of the series. No idea how.

Next Big Thing
09-20-2011, 11:03 AM
Skyler is fucking up.

Londoner
09-23-2011, 06:41 PM
Downloaded season 1 today and just got round to watching the first episode. Wow, not what i expected at all. :D I will keep watching.

CSL
09-23-2011, 06:43 PM
Yes you will. Instantly. And you shall not stop for silly things like sleeping until you are up to date since the latest episode is as good as any of them.

Londoner
09-23-2011, 06:46 PM
Ha, i was gonna watch the next one straight after but i like to spread these things out abit! Looking forward to it.

Londoner
09-23-2011, 06:47 PM
ok fuck it episode 2 here we go

CSL
09-23-2011, 06:52 PM
that's going to happen a lot more

Fox
09-24-2011, 12:40 PM
TL - If you're just getting into this show, you should really stay the hell out of this topic, because you will be pissed at certain points while watching due to us spoiling.


Amazing fucking episode. Jesse talking shit to the scientist was vintage Jesse stuff, and he made a great performance out of it. Walt had an amazing scene where he was whacked out on pills with his son, and it was amazing to see him apologizing and crying for what he did to Jesse - we rarely get to see him feel guilt. We're really getting to a head with the whole Skylar/Car Wash storyline as well as the situation with Gus and the Cartel.

I'm dying to see the next episode because it's very likely that both Gus and Mike are going to die. Mike took one right in the solar plexus, and they are in the middle of nowhere in Mexico - can't really see him getting out of that one. Gus threw up and obviously took some pill before drinking the poisoned tequila, but it appears to be some pretty deadly shit.

Can't wait to see where this all goes.

Requiem
09-24-2011, 01:00 PM
I don't think Gus will die. Think he planned on probably getting a little fucked up by it, but he took a pill to probably help prevent some of the immediate effects, and then he threw up a large portion of it most likely. Mike could very well die though, which could mean Jesse has to either step up and finish off Gus and get back to business with Walt... or if he saves their lives somehow, then he will suddenly be even more important to Gus.

Also, Gus knows that Jesse can make the blue meth without Walt. He just did it down in Mexico where the conditions were way worse.

Londoner
09-24-2011, 01:26 PM
TL - If you're just getting into this show, you should really stay the hell out of this topic, because you will be pissed at certain points while watching due to us spoiling.

.

No probs, I only came in to post that last night. I've only read a few posts in here and skipped the rest so it doesn't spoil much.

Fox
09-24-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't think Gus will die. Think he planned on probably getting a little fucked up by it, but he took a pill to probably help prevent some of the immediate effects, and then he threw up a large portion of it most likely. Mike could very well die though, which could mean Jesse has to either step up and finish off Gus and get back to business with Walt... or if he saves their lives somehow, then he will suddenly be even more important to Gus.

Also, Gus knows that Jesse can make the blue meth without Walt. He just did it down in Mexico where the conditions were way worse.

I don't really think Jesse WANTS to kill Gus anymore. I think that he may have legitimately gained respect for him after what happened in Mexico. The cartel wanted Jesse to become a part of their organization and basically become their meth slave, and Gus wasn't about to let that happen. Obviously, the logical thing is that the plan was NEVER to have Jesse stay down there, but for Gus to get close enough to poison his enemies (which is really ironic considering what Jesse and Walt have in mind for Gus, but whatever), but I don't know if Jesse will see it that way or not.

And yes, Jesse did make the blue meth down in Mexico, and the purity was very good at 96.4%. But if I remember correctly, Walt's blue meth has an even higher purity rate of 99% - that's the reason that Gale was so adamant about Walt being part of the cooking process in the beginning. I think that Gus respects that and even though Jesse and Walt had their fall out, I don't believe their relationship is damaged beyond repair, and I don't think Jesse will cook for Gus anymore if Gus decides to kill Walter.

CSL
09-24-2011, 02:26 PM
I will go and take out my anger on a random old person if Mike dies this week

Next Big Thing
09-24-2011, 02:54 PM
I feel like this represents a turning point for Jesse in terms of how he views the business. He was very authoritative in the lab, cooked Walt's meth to a T, and will have saved Gus and Mike assuming both characters live.

There's also something to be said for the fact that Gus made sure Jesse didn't take a shot along with the rest of them. Gus could have let Jesse drink and still achieved his goal of crippling the Cartel if he truly didn't give a damn about Jesse considering he still had Walt. I think the whole ordeal is going to bring Jesse closer to Mike and Gus and alienate Walt to the point where turning to Hank for help getting out becomes more attractive.

Lock Jaw
09-24-2011, 07:28 PM
Something that hasn't been mentioned much between all the HOLY SHIT action of the last episode...

I feel that Walt's speech about his dad was one of the most revealing things he has ever said on the show, and can be attributed as one of the causes of pretty much all of his behavior since finding he had Cancer.

Requiem
09-24-2011, 08:55 PM
It was. And his son's reply was probably one of the things he needed to hear most too.

Fox
09-25-2011, 09:13 AM
Purple PT Cruiser. What a fucking gyp.

Buzzkill
09-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Wow. Best episode of the season by far. Jeez

Requiem
09-26-2011, 12:14 AM
Can't believe there are still 2 episodes left. So happy.

Lock Jaw
09-27-2011, 02:06 PM
Wowwwww.... that ending scene had me in goosebumps. Has to be one of the tops of the entire show.

Fox
09-30-2011, 12:17 PM
Amazing episode. Here we are almost at the end of Season 4, and where is Walt?

Still with cancer, a wife he can't trust and who doesn't trust him, a brother in law who is onto the situation, cut off from the drug world, cut off from his only real friend (Jesse), and now, even worse, without MONEY, which was the whole reason he started this shit in the first place.

I can't wait to see what happens in the last 2 episodes. I might even wait out the two weeks so I can watch them back to back.

Fox
09-30-2011, 12:18 PM
Also, when Walt was laughing at the end, did anyone else hear a bit of Joker-esque insanity in there? Incredible performance.

Buzzkill
10-03-2011, 03:12 AM
Anybody else think Walt did it? He's already a villain in my eyes at this point of the series, and we know about his new policy of "full measures".

PapaGeorgio
10-03-2011, 08:44 AM
No way could I see Walt doing it.

Next Big Thing
10-03-2011, 01:47 PM
Walt's pretty desperate to save his own wife and kids at this point. It does seem like something he would do, especially since he's admitted that he can't get close enough to Gus to kill him on his own. Plus, he did let Pinkman's last girlfriend choke on her own vomit and die because he wanted her out of the picture so Jesse stayed "clean" and clearheaded even though she was the one actually on the straight and narrow until that point.

I see the DEA paying Hector Salamanca a visit at some point and connecting the dots between Gus and the Cartel.

PapaGeorgio
10-03-2011, 06:29 PM
To be honest I'm not sure what exactly happened. Personally I don't see Walt doing that to a kid. It seems to obvious for Gus to have done it, and the show never goes with the obvious. The other explanation would be the kid accidentally found it, but that seems cheap and it seems like they somewhat tried to rule that out.

I do think it's reasonable for Gus to have seen the poison on Camera and Jesse has taken it out a few times in places that could plausibly have cameras like the warehouse during the sit down or at Gus's house.

I think someone will die for the finale, and/or the DEA puts a lot of the puzzle together. Cause next season I believe is the last, so the Gus conflict needs to end soon so they can play the DEA angle out.

Lock Jaw
10-03-2011, 06:43 PM
Thought Skyler was gonna get Snipered when she was out on the balcony.

Fox
10-06-2011, 12:57 PM
There's no way Walt poisoned the kid. We've seen him do a lot of questionable and downright bad things, but murdering an innocent child is NOT in his nature. What would Walter stand to gain from doing that? Making Jesse want to kill him so that he can flip it around and put the blame on Gus? Walt is smart, but he's not that conniving and manipulative - he's just smart enough to figure out why Gus would do it. And Walter has never hurt anyone who didn't have it coming (Jane is arguable, but he didn't actually kill her... just watched her die), and Walt would NEVER hurt a small child. There's also the fact that he was never close enough to steal the cigarette. He saw Jesse once on the night he went to see him, and at no point did he have any kind of opportunity to take the cigarette, let alone poison the kid. He went straight from Jesse's house to the desert to Saul's and then home, and the episode picked right up from the part where he was laughing in the crawl space. Not enough time, while Gus and his goon had plenty of time, and a hell of a lot more manpower.

One episode left. I can't wait to see where this thing goes.

Next Big Thing
10-08-2011, 04:47 PM
Not looking forward to another year long wait between seasons though. Especially if this last episode is as good as I expect it to be.

Fox
10-08-2011, 08:33 PM
Indeed. Walt and Jesse better fucking kill Gus on Sunday night or I'm going to be pissed. Man needs to DIE. Anyone else think maybe Mike might show up to help them out, pissed off that A - Gus left his nearly dying ass in Mexico and B - Gus poisoned a very small child for a somewhat fucked reason (remember that Mike has a granddaughter who is about the same age)?

It's going to be a LONG wait. Hopefully it won't be a year and a half like last time. And at least Dexter is back.

PapaGeorgio
10-09-2011, 02:45 PM
I could see Mike playing a part in it all. He's been MIA in a few episodes now. So he's return has to be meaningful. Could see Mike just letting Walt/Jesse kill Gus and not stop it, giving them permission to do it.

Buzzkill
10-09-2011, 08:50 PM
HOLY SHIT 1 HOUR TO GO

dronepool
10-10-2011, 12:51 AM
That death scene made me make the "o face".

Requiem
10-10-2011, 01:00 AM
That death scene made me make the "o face".

You had an orgasm?

dronepool
10-10-2011, 02:25 AM
You had an orgasm?

Nah, just had me thinking holy shit...:eek:

Buzzkill
10-10-2011, 03:12 AM
Walt is a cold hearted motherfucker

St. Jimmy
10-10-2011, 11:02 AM
Walt is a cold hearted motherfucker

This.

Next Big Thing
10-10-2011, 12:35 PM
Really not a fan of Walt anymore. Hope he gets a bullet before all is said and done.

thedamndest
10-10-2011, 02:04 PM
I didn't see any of that coming. Thought they would stretch out the Gus angle another season. This episode was good enough that it could have been the complete end of the series. Maybe next season becomes the Walt/Hank showdown. No idea but it was great.

Requiem
10-10-2011, 02:18 PM
I don't see Hank just dropping it now that Gus is dead. Now it's going to be 'who the fuck killed Gus and Salamanco?' and 'why did Salamanco come to this office right before he died?'

Those are the angles Hank is gonna go after. Now that the laundry blew up as well, it clearly means someone was trying to cover their tracks. No way is he just going to leave it be.

CSL
10-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Saw the explosion coming with Walt asking Hector if he had any second thoughts, plus AMC in their wisdom had a picture of Gus with half a face on the main page of their website for god knows how long before the ep aired but if anything it helped/built tension for me personally, Gus's walk with the music after he got out of the car and taking his time sitting down and so on and had me pretty "on edge", more so maybe than if I didn't think I knew what was coming. Thought Jesse was going to call Walt out on just how relieved he was that Brock was okay, that made me think he was responsible only for Walt to then talk himself out of it (in my eyes) when acting clueless as to how he was poisoned only for a "mo-ther-fu-cker" moment with the closing shot. Thought they might plant a "Walt vs. Hank" seed but it wasn't necessary really. Like thedric, I thought it was good enough to end the series, especially the conversation/handshake with Walt and Jesse. Going to feel like an eternity until the final season and then it'll be gone before we know it. No Mike :(

Skippord
10-10-2011, 04:39 PM
really think the series has to end with Jesse killing Walt

Lock Jaw
10-11-2011, 11:09 PM
No idea where the next season goes from here.

Also, thought for sure at the end there, that they were gonna have one of "those" swerves.

"If Brock didn't get poisoned with the Ricin... where did it go?" and then cut to a shot of Walter Jr suddenly keeling over or something.




Also, you know... I used to think of Walt as having kind of a surrogate father/son relationship with Jesse. Now... he has just been a huge dick to him for the most part. Lets one girlfriend die. Poisons another girlfriend's son.

Skippord
10-11-2011, 11:25 PM
if only Walter Jr. could have keeled over

find him annoying

Lock Jaw
10-11-2011, 11:27 PM
Seemed like he was barely in this season anyways.

Londoner
10-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Can't...stop...watching...this...programme...

Now in Season 3 episode 5 after watching addictively past couple of days. (making sure not to read spoilers here still...)

Fox
10-15-2011, 04:20 AM
Wow. Pretty much eating crow right now with the whole Walt/Jesse/poisoning scenario. I didn't think that Walt would stoop to that, but how wrong I was, and stoop he did.

I loved the finale. There's a very "final" feeling to the whole thing, like this could be where the whole series ended if they really wanted it too. I'm interested to see where they take the show in Season 5. There are still unanswered questions and confrontations that need to be played out.

Jesse needs to find out about Jane and about the poison and confront Walt about them. What's Mike going to do when he gets back to ABQ now that his boss is dead? With the lab burned down, and Salamanca and Gus both dead from the explosion, Mike is smart enough to figure out what happened. Does he go for revenge on Walt/Jesse, or does he see it as simply business? Now that all of the pieces have come together for Hank's investigation (the laundry, Gus, Salamanca), he's got to be even more hungry for answers than he was before, and before it's all said and done, he has to figure out that it's been Walter this whole time. That moment is going to be pivotal for the series' run. And what happens with the business now? Does Walt accept what's happened, thank God for his life being intact, and go about running the car wash with his wife? Or are he and Jesse going to try and get the cook going again? And of course, what about the cancer?

Awesome season overall. It's going to be a long wait for Season 5.

Lock Jaw
10-15-2011, 08:10 PM
Meanwhile, Ted Beneke is dead on his floor somewhere.

Next Big Thing
10-15-2011, 08:48 PM
And what happens with the business now? Does Walt accept what's happened, thank God for his life being intact, and go about running the car wash with his wife? Or are he and Jesse going to try and get the cook going again?

I'm pretty sure all Walt's money from cooking is gone. Between Ted and Saul's nurse, I think they cleaned him out. Which could set up a situation where the car wash business goes to hell and he has to start cooking again, which then makes Hank pick up the trail. Either way, the wait is going to be insane.

PapaGeorgio
10-16-2011, 02:07 AM
I def see him still cooking. He loves the power and money, even if he doesn't really spend the money.

Fox
10-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Gus was this big time player who distributed the blue stuff all over the mid-west. I can see Walter somehow stepping into Gus' shoes and becoming the new distributor, using the car wash business as his front (in place of Los Pollos Hermanos) and possibly building his own lab in the depths of the car wash. I don't know exactly how he could accomplish this on his own though; he would definitely need Mike and his connections to get the thing up and running.

But I think he'll have to make a choice at some point: accept his victory over Gus and go on with a "normal life", or continue down the road he started on in Season 1. And his choice to continue to break bad will be his eventual downfall.

Next Big Thing
10-16-2011, 02:25 PM
It's crazy how the last 30 seconds of the last episode completely changed my viewpoint towards Walt.

Going into this season, I was still cheering for Walt and hoping he found a way out and had a nice tidy ending. Now, I wouldn't feel right if the series didn't end with Walt dying in some horrible way.

Lock Jaw
10-16-2011, 03:12 PM
I think that there is bound to be some sort of "power vacuum" that is gonna happen with Gus/Don Eladio being dead.

Some sort of struggle that will somehow inevitably threaten Walt. Causing him to try to step in and take control of the remnants of a vast criminal organization because "he has to". But he really enjoys it.

PapaGeorgio
10-16-2011, 04:26 PM
It seems like Gus was part of a larger corporation though. So perhaps there are people higher up than Gus who can lead Walt in the new direction. But personally that runs the risk of being lame with so easily introducing a new higher up.

I also agree about the changing views on Walt. A similar thing happened with me for The Shield. Vick Mackey is this evil character who you see do all these terrible things. But each epiosde you route for him, thinking to some small extent it's justified. But then when Vick had to confess to all of his crimes, you just seem them all there. All that evil together and no remorse. You realize who you have been routing for this entire time even with it all right in front of you, complete mind fuck.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 04:56 PM
How did it seem like he was part of a larger corporation? I thought he was pretty much on top for his region of the country. I mean, he owns chicken restaurants all over the place, has all these other companies with which to launder money and buy equipment through. Seems like he is backing all of this with his own money. Sort of self-built empire. Especially with the meeting when he was younger. Seemed he was trying to get his own thing going, not on behalf of anyone.

I mean, someone who answers to someone else doesn't go meet with the head of the Mexican cartel and all of his capos. The boss goes and meets with the head of a cartel.

Londoner
10-16-2011, 09:16 PM
Just finished season 4 after watching the last 5 episodes in a row. :y:

Another season is being done, right?

CSL
10-16-2011, 09:21 PM
'tis arr, last one

Fox
10-17-2011, 06:55 AM
How did it seem like he was part of a larger corporation? I thought he was pretty much on top for his region of the country. I mean, he owns chicken restaurants all over the place, has all these other companies with which to launder money and buy equipment through. Seems like he is backing all of this with his own money. Sort of self-built empire. Especially with the meeting when he was younger. Seemed he was trying to get his own thing going, not on behalf of anyone.

I mean, someone who answers to someone else doesn't go meet with the head of the Mexican cartel and all of his capos. The boss goes and meets with the head of a cartel.

But Don Eladio even said that the only reason he wasn't killing Gus was because he knows "who he is", which suggests he has some kind of clout with an organization that would legitimately threaten Don Eladio if something were to happen to Gus. We still haven't found out who Gus REALLY is - where he came from before the meeting with the Cartel, what his background is, where he grew up and why his history is shrouded in so much secrecy. I hope that they explore this territory a bit more in Season 5.

Fox
10-17-2011, 06:59 AM
I know that the final shot of Season 4 is meant to make people start to dislike Walt, in preparation for building him toward his mega-evil turn in Season 5, but I'm not really surprised that he did what he did.

It goes all the way back to Season 3 when Walt met with Gus after the twins tried to kill his brother in law. Walt told Gus that he understands why Gus did what he did, and that he respects the thinking behind it. Even though Hank could have been killed that day (and at least one innocent was shot in the parking lot), Walt sits there with Gus and tells him that he respects the plan that Gus used.

Walter did what he had to do to get the job done. Gus has always been one step ahead of him, but this time he was a step ahead of Gus. Yes, he had to mind fuck Jesse in order to get it to happen, and yes, he had to poison a child, but Walter was looking out for the lives of the people he loves. He was looking out for his children and his wife. He did what he had to do, and fuck if it didn't work.

Requiem
10-17-2011, 12:59 PM
Doesn't mean he isn't from an important family or something, but I don't think he works for anyone. He just didn't seem like someone who has to answer to anyone.

Buzzkill
10-17-2011, 02:25 PM
It's crazy how the last 30 seconds of the last episode completely changed my viewpoint towards Walt.

Going into this season, I was still cheering for Walt and hoping he found a way out and had a nice tidy ending. Now, I wouldn't feel right if the series didn't end with Walt dying in some horrible way.

Walt's been a villain to me ever since the end of season three, when he ran over the drug dealer and shot him in the head cold blooded. Which is why I was convinced he poisoned Brock.

Pretty sure this show has cemented itself as the best (maybe 2nd best) show of all time with me. It's so different from The Wire that it's hard to compare, but they are each phenomenal in their own ways.

Buzzkill
10-17-2011, 02:30 PM
I know that the final shot of Season 4 is meant to make people start to dislike Walt, in preparation for building him toward his mega-evil turn in Season 5, but I'm not really surprised that he did what he did.

It goes all the way back to Season 3 when Walt met with Gus after the twins tried to kill his brother in law. Walt told Gus that he understands why Gus did what he did, and that he respects the thinking behind it. Even though Hank could have been killed that day (and at least one innocent was shot in the parking lot), Walt sits there with Gus and tells him that he respects the plan that Gus used.

Walter did what he had to do to get the job done. Gus has always been one step ahead of him, but this time he was a step ahead of Gus. Yes, he had to mind fuck Jesse in order to get it to happen, and yes, he had to poison a child, but Walter was looking out for the lives of the people he loves. He was looking out for his children and his wife. He did what he had to do, and fuck if it didn't work.

In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.

Next Big Thing
10-17-2011, 02:45 PM
In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.

Yes, but that information and the location of Salamanca's nursing home came from Jesse and prior to Walt poisoning Brock to Jesse back on his side, they weren't on speaking terms.

Requiem
10-17-2011, 07:43 PM
100% disagree that running over the drug dealers and killing them was 'evil' or villainous.

He was clearly protecting Jessie from getting himself shot, and Jessie was only doing it because those guys were legit bad guys who were responsible for his friend's death. IIRC. Been a while since I've seen that season so I don't recall if it was his friend, or the kid that got killed. Do remember though that it was clearly in protection of Jessie. Jessie would have gotten himself shot had Walt not stepped in. No way Jessie was going to shoot both of them and walk away without a mark.

Londoner
10-18-2011, 01:29 PM
100% disagree that running over the drug dealers and killing them was 'evil' or villainous.

.

Same here. Was surprised someone thought that way.

Fox
10-20-2011, 05:18 AM
In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.

That's hindsight though. If the plan with the car bomb had worked then Jesse's involvement would have absolutely been necessary. And like NBT said, Jesse is the one who got Saul the information on the whereabouts of Salamanca.

One thing that I'm not completely sure about yet is the two guys who were at Walt's house when he sent the neighbor in to check on the stove. Were these definitely Gus' men sent to kill Walter? At that point, Jesse still hadn't given Gus the "okay" to kill Walt, so killing him could have potentially caused Jesse to go on a cook strike.

Next Big Thing
10-20-2011, 07:49 AM
Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.

What Would Kevin Do?
10-20-2011, 09:34 AM
Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.

Don't know about cameras, but remember, the neighbor in the next room over saw him outside when he was hiding. I'm betting next season they get a new sketch because of her.

Fox
10-21-2011, 01:24 PM
Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.

Gus called Jesse as the DEA were sweeping the laundry, and even then, Jesse refused to give the okay to kill Walt. Gus then told him that "there will be a proper response." I guess it makes sense that Gus decided to ignore Jesse's concerns after Walt called in protection on Hank's house, though.

Fox
10-21-2011, 08:33 PM
Amazing interview with showrunner/creator Vince Gilligan about Breaking Bad Season 4. He gets pretty in depth and discusses a lot of interesting points about the season, the characters and the show in general.


Part 1: http://www.avclub.com/articles/vince-gilligan-walks-us-through-season-four-of-bre,63013/

Part 2: http://www.avclub.com/articles/vince-gilligan-walks-us-through-breaking-bads-4th,63113/

Part 3: http://www.avclub.com/articles/vince-gilligan-walks-us-through-breaking-bads-4th,63196/

Part 4: http://www.avclub.com/articles/vince-gilligan-walks-us-through-breaking-bads-four,63288/

Tazz Dan
10-22-2011, 12:58 AM
Do we actually know the plant was Walts? Maybe that's what the two guys were doing in the backyard, planting it there. He doesn't know, Jesse finds it, shit goes down from there.

RoXer
10-22-2011, 01:05 AM
He was staring at it with his gun a few episodes before.

Requiem
10-22-2011, 02:29 AM
Yeah. When he spun his gun while sitting in his backyard, it pointed right at it and that's where he got the idea.

Tazz Dan
10-22-2011, 03:08 AM
I have no doubt what I suggested was wrong, but if it turns out I was right, I CALLED IT.

Corporate CockSnogger
10-23-2011, 12:28 PM
http://mlkshk.com/r/8DYU

Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston dressed as eachothers characters at the seasons wrap party.

I got round to catching up on season 3 and 4 over the past week or so. Usually I don't enjoy watching shows online and prefer to just have a DVD boxset but I really couldn't stop watching. It all plays out fantastically.

Taker it Easy
10-23-2011, 12:39 PM
Love all of this show except for skyler, CUNT, and walt jr, mr. breakfast.

Next Big Thing
10-24-2011, 10:13 AM
Walt should have been rocking the hat and sunglasses at the nursing home so when the old woman described him, the DEA would attribute the explosion to Heisenberg.

Rock Bottom
10-25-2011, 09:09 PM
I'm in the beginning of Season 3, catching up.

I just want to say what an absolute cunt WW's wife is.

Rock Bottom
10-25-2011, 10:11 PM
This show is amazing and refreshing. The shows I tend to like typically still have a bunch of characters/story lines I don't particularly care for. While this show can be a little bit slow-moving, I'll take that with the fact that it has thorough content that pretty much stays relevant to the plot and focuses on the right people.

Mr. Pierre
10-29-2011, 02:56 PM
I haven't read anything in this thread in fear of spoilers, but I just finished Season 2.

This show is unbelievable. And from what I hear (spoiler-free of course), it just gets better. Can't wait :y:

Nark Order
11-01-2011, 08:38 PM
Not reading any of this thread because I only just finished season 3 but sweet mother of fuck. This show.

Nark Order
11-02-2011, 03:19 PM
http://fast.jasonotc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/halflife3.jpg

imagine

CSL
06-04-2012, 11:43 AM
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/06/04/04_berakingbad.o.jpg/a_560x0.jpg

Requiem
06-04-2012, 11:47 AM
Can't waitttttttttt

dronepool
06-04-2012, 08:59 PM
July 15th? So soon?! YES!!!

Lock Jaw
06-04-2012, 09:01 PM
It is only going to be 8 episodes though, and then the rest of the season will be in freaking Summer 2013.

dronepool
06-04-2012, 10:27 PM
It is only going to be 8 episodes though, and then the rest of the season will be in freaking Summer 2013.

Damnit.. At least we'll know what happens after that crazy last episode. Can't imagine how they can top it off in terms of cliffhanger awesomeness.

Skippord
06-04-2012, 10:32 PM
hey that's my birthday!!!

Fox
06-08-2012, 12:01 AM
OMFGYES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Malfeitor
06-12-2012, 12:21 AM
Who else saw the commercial where Walt was in Saul's face saying "We're done when I say we're done." or something to that effect?

INTENSE.

Lock Jaw
06-12-2012, 07:19 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/t0BuC2OrVIU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I have now. :y:

Malfeitor
06-12-2012, 09:55 PM
BAD ASS.

Fox
06-13-2012, 07:30 PM
Kleenex please.

So many unanswered questions in Season 5. The last time we see Walt and Skylar, she had given all their money to Beneke. Has Walt accepted why she did it by the beginning of the new season, or is that confrontation still to come? Will Jesse find out that Walt poisoned Brock? What is Mike going to do when he gets back from Mexico - join Walt and Jesse, avenge his former boss, or try and kill them both? Hank's face in the final moments of the last episode of Season 4 told a story - in his shock, he seemed to be coming to some kind of realization. Is Hank finally going to figure everything out and confront Walt, and what happens when he does?

AHHHHHH!!!!!

Lock Jaw
06-13-2012, 08:07 PM
Also, Beneke lies dead on his floor. Could cause problems if the police look too closely.

Lock Jaw
06-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Rewatching season 4. Almost finished. I swear, that scene where Walt is in the crawl space under the house laughing like a maniac is like the best scene ever. Still got shivers and goosebumps while watching it.

CSL
06-20-2012, 04:18 PM
With its go-for-broke storytelling and gut-wrenching twists, AMC’s “Breaking Bad” can be a mighty hard habit to kick. That’s why hundreds of die-hard fans (us included) packed into a movie house last night at the LA Film Festival, eager to hear from the show’s creator Vince Gilligan and the cast, including Emmy winners Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul -- and maybe even pick up a few details about the hotly-anticipated fifth (and final) season, set to begin airing next month.

But no spoilers here, we’re afraid: Gilligan and the tight-lipped cast didn’t even let a hint of a Season 5 plotline slip out. (Well, except for co-star Bob Odenkirk, aka slimy lawyer Saul Goodman, who joked that after transforming into a full-fledged villain over the past four years, Cranston’s Walter White quietly goes back to teaching high-school chemistry this season: “You know, the current state of education in America is such a rich area. And it’s wonderful; you get to learn about chemistry…”)

But even if we didn’t get any Season 5 scoop, we did hear plenty of great stories about the process of making one of TV’s best dramas. Here are some of the tidbits we picked up:

- It’s hard to fathom now, three Emmy wins for Best Actor later, but Sony and AMC initially weren’t too keen on Cranston playing the role of mild-mannered cancer patient-turned-formidable drug lord Walter White. As Cranston remembers it, they asked Gilligan incredulously, “You want the silly dad from ‘Malcolm in the Middle’ to play Walter White? You’ve gotta be kidding.” (Lucky for us, he wasn’t.) Cranston also tossed off one of the best descriptions of “Breaking Bad” we’ve heard yet, likening it to “a rollercoaster in the dark, where you don’t really know when the twists and turns will come.” (That’s why we love it!)

- Were you shocked by the final shot of Season 4, which revealed that Walter was behind the near-fatal poisoning of a young boy? You’re in good company; so was Cranston. While discussing how informed the actors are about the fates of their characters, Cranston described reading the script for the Season 4 finale, turning to the last page with that final zoom-in on the lily of the valley plant, and crying out: “Ahhhh! Oh my God! I did do it!” Yes, you did, Bryan -- and we can’t wait to see what you do next.

- Gilligan and Cranston’s working relationship actually began a decade before “Breaking Bad,” when Cranston guest starred on a 1998 episode of “The X-Files” written by Gilligan. Cranston played a bigoted redneck whose head would explode if Mulder didn’t drive him westward at 80 miles per hour -- and Mulder wasn’t sure he was worth saving. Cranston was impressed by the ethical dilemma that Gilligan’s script presented: “I thought it was brilliant.” So ten years later, when the pilot script for “Breaking Bad” crossed his desk, he recognized Gilligan’s name and dove right in: “I read it cover-to-cover in one sitting… and that says a lot.”

- Cranston’s partner in crime, Aaron Paul, revealed his toughest moment playing foul-mouthed meth cook Jesse Pinkman: waking up to discover his love, Jane, lying dead beside him in Season 2. “That was one of the hardest scenes I’ve ever had to endure,” Paul says, adding that he “went to some pretty dark, depressing places.” But Paul conceded that Jane “turned into the worst influence possible” for Jesse -- to which, in a perfectly “Breaking Bad”-esque moment of dark humor, Cranston added, “See, that’s what I thought!”

- Odenkirk talked about his shift from doing comedy on “The Ben Stiller Show” and “Mr. Show” to landing a supporting role (albeit a funny one) on a TV drama. “There’s a lot of flexibility in a comedy script… usually, things get shortened,” he said. “So when I first got these scripts, I kept thinking, ‘These monologues are just gonna end up being two lines, so I won’t memorize them.’” He also sees Saul as the most self-serving character on the show: “My character, more than anybody, doesn’t give a s--- what other people want. Every relationship [to him] is, ‘How do I get money out of this moment?’”

- Gus Fring may be gone, but the man who played him – Giancarlo Esposito – is definitely not forgotten. The rest of the cast raved about Esposito’s chilling performance as the cold-blooded drug kingpin (which, if there’s any justice in this world, will earn him an Emmy this fall). Paul remembers the sweet-natured Esposito would “sit around and do yoga and meditate on set. He’s the kindest guy; he just talks about peace and love and energy. And then he turns into Gus Fring, and it’s terrifying.”

- Fans of Gus’s laconic henchman Mike (Jonathan Banks) can breathe easy: He’s definitely back for Season 5. Banks couldn’t attend last night’s panel, but Cranston confirmed he was shooting scenes earlier this week. Gilligan raved about Banks’ performance on the ‘80s crime drama “Wiseguy,” and said he was thrilled when Banks joined the “BB” cast. And Odenkirk added that Banks “scares the hell out of me,” joking about the actor’s “dead mackerel eyes.” Yeah, say that to his face, Bob.

Nark Order
07-16-2012, 02:21 AM
Pretty incredible way to start everything back up again. Pretty pumped for next week. Making everybody watch that abortion of a security show to see a preview for next week is pretty unacceptable though.

Lock Jaw
07-16-2012, 03:07 PM
YEEEEAH MAGNETS BITCH

CSL
07-17-2012, 12:10 PM
was thinking before the season that I hope at some point we get some "awkward interaction" between Mike, Walt and Jesse and they pretty much dove headfirst into it in the first ep :heart: loved every scene between the 3 of them & Skylar heeling on Ted. Loved this week's episode of The Newsroom as well so Sundays are pretty much the man on TV rn

Lock Jaw
07-18-2012, 12:54 AM
Can't wait to see how it gets to

http://media.criticstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/breakingbad_walt-beard.jpg

Lock Jaw
07-23-2012, 06:29 PM
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Fox
07-24-2012, 07:01 PM
Mike is such a fucking bad ass.

Skippord
07-29-2012, 11:58 PM
What is the deal with Skyler's face?

CSL
07-30-2012, 10:48 AM
Landry Clarke

Swiss Ultimate
08-02-2012, 10:15 AM
Fuuuck. Just got caught up on the show. What a character arc.

PapaGeorgio
08-03-2012, 12:13 AM
my best friend finally started watching and he told me today. I was so excited and had to carefully choose my words and make sure I didn't use past tense for certain characters. Can't wait for him to get caught up.

Swiss Ultimate
08-04-2012, 07:44 PM
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/2/1/3/140213_slide.jpg?v=1

Lock Jaw
08-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Seems "weird" to me that Walt would consider pest infested houses a good cook site. Seems like something he would consider a "contaminant". He spent that one whole episode chasing a fly in the old lab. Now goes and cooks in houses that are infested with bugs.

Swiss Ultimate
08-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Think he cares less now and is considerably crazy. That might be a spoiler...

What Would Kevin Do?
08-04-2012, 09:25 PM
Seems "weird" to me that Walt would consider pest infested houses a good cook site. Seems like something he would consider a "contaminant". He spent that one whole episode chasing a fly in the old lab. Now goes and cooks in houses that are infested with bugs.

Yeah, but then he was going quasi-crazy coping with guilt, death, etc. I think Walt is beyond caring about things like other people, death, etc. He thinks he's untouchable.

Heisenberg
08-04-2012, 09:26 PM
Fuuuck. Just got caught up on the show. What a character arc.

I'm catching up on this awesome piece of show-ness. Season 2 with 3/4 waiting on Netflix and 5 on DVR.

Swiss Ultimate
08-04-2012, 09:38 PM
You are pretty lucky, I'm jonesing for a new episode right now.

Skippord
08-06-2012, 02:19 AM
I intensely dislike Skyler still

Skippord
08-06-2012, 02:26 AM
whoa shit this is the coolest mental abuse of a woman I've ever seen

RP
08-06-2012, 02:45 AM
Just watched S1 E3. Hooked. Absolutely hooked. Walt talking with Crazy 8's, trying to figure out whether he should kill him or let him go. Unreal episode of television. So glad this show is a untapped resource for me because the only things I'm Dvr'ing atm, is workaholics,tosh and The League soon.

RP
08-06-2012, 02:51 AM
The guy who plays Walts DEA brother in law has been amazing.

Tazz Dan
08-06-2012, 07:12 AM
I intensely dislike Skyler still

Skyler has been shitting me so far this season, struggling to get into this character change. After tonight's episode though, it could be leading somewhere good. I'll give it a couple of weeks.

PapaGeorgio
08-06-2012, 08:12 PM
I've been loving Skyler this season. I know Walt is viewed as the protagonist and Skyler gets in the way of him doing things. But Skyler really is pretty logical with her moves. I loved this past episode and season so far with Walt mind fucking Skyler and seeing how Skyler reacts.

Swiss Ultimate
08-06-2012, 08:38 PM
"I'm moving back in."

"Do you really think that's a good idea right now?"

"Absolutely. Hope you like being molested by a killer."

RP
08-07-2012, 01:53 AM
Finished season one. Awesome stuff.

RP
08-07-2012, 01:56 AM
Definitely starting season 2 in the morning.

Corporate CockSnogger
08-07-2012, 06:46 AM
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Skyler a bit now which I thought could never happen. Love how almost nothing is going wrong for Walt right now though after 4 seasons of watching him struggling to do the most minor of things, for the time being he's the king of the drug underworld.

RP
08-07-2012, 07:03 AM
Lol I can't wait to catch up.

RP
08-07-2012, 07:06 AM
Rofl at the DEA agent briefing his squad about the quality of meth and how it looks like theres a new drug kingpin in town and then it shows Walt brushing his teeth lol.

RP
08-08-2012, 12:04 PM
I love Hank.

Ogen
08-09-2012, 05:32 AM
Reckon Walt kills Skyler soon when she tries to tell Hank about everything