Official RAW is NASH Thread 15/08/11

[blak23]

no cena?

[Rollermacka]

Damm, the bald security guard in the middle is a big boy. Indy wrestler getting his 15 min?

[Aguakate]

Well, that was kind of a letdown...

[Razzamajazz]

i was waiting for the gm

[Skippord]

Damm, the bald security guard in the middle is a big boy. Indy wrestler getting his 15 min?
Skip Sheffield

[Corndad]

I don't think thats the end of the whole Punk/Nash/HHH/Cena stuff tonight.

[ClockShot]

I dunno guys. They're hyping this like Rey is going to walk away with the belt tonight.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Would you guys wear a shirt that said "TAKE A SHOWER, HIT THE WEIGHTS, GET A CLUE"?

[Krimzon7]

That was golden,and could've been better! WTF?!?

[Skippord]

Would you guys wear a shirt that said "TAKE A SHOWER, HIT THE WEIGHTS, GET A CLUE"?
I'd get a tattoo of it

[Krimzon7]

Would you guys wear a shirt that said "TAKE A SHOWER, HIT THE WEIGHTS, GET A CLUE"?

YES, the day after I wear The Best in the World Tee

[Cool King]

Would you guys wear a shirt that said "TAKE A SHOWER, HIT THE WEIGHTS, GET A CLUE"?

I probably would.

[blak23]

Would you guys wear a shirt that said "TAKE A SHOWER, HIT THE WEIGHTS, GET A CLUE"?

fuck yeah. quick someone trademark it

[McLegend]

Seriously pissed Nash had no music.

[Cool King]

OMG Kevin Nash WTF Thought he was dead LOL

[Skippord]

Del Rio looks like Snuffleupagus

[ClockShot]

Johnny Ace is on the case.

[Razzamajazz]

senior vice president of talent relations

[blak23]

johny ace is gay?

[Skippord]

Laurenitis is hitting on Nash

[Anybody Thrilla]

What is with all of the halitosis humor?

[Skippord]

Johnny Ace set everything in motion?

shocking twist

[Juan]

Why are people complaining about Del Rio vs Mysterio again? These guys have great matches every time.

You guys would have hated the attitude era when Stone Cold wrestled The Rock and Kurt Angle every other night

[Rollermacka]

Hmm, Mikes Hard Lemonade. You know I don't care I think its a great drink... to drink at lunch and they won't be able to smell it on your breath

[Tom Guycott]

I say someone used Hunter's phone for the second text, like Johnny Ace (most likely), or Steph. She's my guess since there's been a lot of Steph cameo lately.

[Cool King]

Awesome.

Jack Swagger. :cool:

[Krimzon7]

This is going places...

[CSL]

lol "Vickie is in better shape than you King"

[blak23]

Why are people complaining about Del Rio vs Mysterio again? These guys have great matches every time.

You guys would have hated the attitude era when Stone Cold wrestled The Rock and Kurt Angle every other night

I dig what your saying. on the other hand though Rey is not Stone Cold The Rock or Kurt Angle

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kinda loving this Dolph/Vickie interaction.

[BigDaddyCool]

I don't care for swagger.

[blak23]

This Dolph/ Vickie exchange is terrible

[CSL]

Kinda loving this Dolph/Vickie interaction.

lol yeah, it is almost legit uncomfortable ala REAL COUPLES

[blak23]

Taking away from this match way to much

[Corndad]

I'm thinking the second text was Steph the more I think about it. Leads to tension between HHH/Steph. Builds up Punk trying to take down establishment. Keeps them away from Title as well so can get a long term champ after so many quick changes recently.

[Cool King]

Nice way of shitting on Swagger and Riley, King.

[Juan]

I dig what your saying. on the other hand though Rey is not Stone Cold The Rock or Kurt Angle

Rey is probably the hardest worker in the WWE right now and hasn't had a bad match God knows how long

[Razzamajazz]

what is going on

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd fuck Vickie. So what?

[DrCrawford]

swagger looks sick his face is like white

[Anybody Thrilla]

Taking away from this match way to much

The match isn't the focus.

[ClockShot]

Swagger better take the long way around to the locker room.

[Juan]

Nice save by Swagger

[blak23]

wow that was terrible

[CSL]

lolll Dolph just like 'ughhhh' when Swagger and Riley were busy botching the gutwrench

[Razzamajazz]

jr vs. ziggler at the next ppv

[Anybody Thrilla]

Is Vickie leaving Ziggler for Swagger?

[Cool King]

Was Riley sandbagging or something?

[McLegend]

Hmmm that was a pretty bad botch.

[Krimzon7]

Lol @ Dolph's legit disgust! A-Ry is the one in need of the long route to the back! He screwed that up!

UGH, I gotta put this douche over?!?

[Juan]

Was Riley sandbagging or something?


Nah, they're timing was just a little off

[Razzamajazz]

hey did you know this is in rey's hometown of san diego?

[blak23]

Rey is probably the hardest worker in the WWE right now and hasn't had a bad match God knows how long

that may be but my statement stands Rey is still nowhere near the star those three guys are or were in their time

[Cool King]

Nah, they're timing was just a little off

Ahh, made Swagger look bad anyway. :(

[Innovator]

Add this to the Riley botch list.

1) Attack your own season mates in NXT brawl.
2) Get eliminated prematurely from the Rumble.
3) Sandbag Swagger.

[CSL]

Was Riley sandbagging or something?

probably just a bit of mis-communication, one of them "going" earlier or later than the other thought

[CSL]

forum/server is sandbagging me rn

[Juan]

Ahh, made Swagger look bad anyway. :(

Yeah, that happens when two guys just can't get their timing right, someone ends up looking bad. At least he didn't drop him on his neck

[blak23]

Swagger/ Dolph rivalry?

[Krimzon7]

Swagger needs a manager

[Rollermacka]

Jr's hat vs. ziggler at the next ppv

[Juan]

Looks like they're serious about bringing back managers.

[Juan]

that may be but my statement stands Rey is still nowhere near the star those three guys are or were in their time

Not the point, but okay

[Cool King]

I'm looking forward to seeing more Swagger.

More importantly, Swagger wins.

[ClockShot]

I don't recognize any of these celebs.

[Cool King]

I don't recognize any of these celebs.

It's ok, you're not the only one.

[Corndad]

Steph is so involved in this.

[blak23]

I was just stating how ones star power can affect opinion

[ClockShot]

Steph's here, Triple H is here.

Who's watching the kids, Grandma and Grandpa McMahon?

[blak23]

so as i see it steph sent nash a text and now its punk vs them like scsa vs vkm

[Innovator]

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[CSL]

by balls would Hulk up for Steph

[blak23]

style point for Kofi

[Cool King]

Another Tag Match.

Awesome.

[CSL]

lol Bourne sliding into the ring that way is pretty impressive

[Corndad]

Really??? What is this music lol

[blak23]

Mikey McG bro hat

[Krimzon7]

Gayest theme evah

[Loose Cannon]

lol bro hat

[blak23]

nice move

[Loose Cannon]

that music sounded a little too Billy and Chuck-ish

[Juan]

so as i see it steph sent nash a text and now its punk vs them like scsa vs vkm

I dig what your saying. on the other hand though Punk is not Stone Cold

[blak23]

I liked the music just needed more drums

[Krimzon7]

Spewing HATE from Lawler

[Juan]

lol Lawler calling Otunga and Hennig bland

[Rollermacka]

King really hit the nail on the head about the tag team division

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Commentators basically saying how bad the tag divison is.

[blak23]

I acknowledged the story line similarity not comparing the characters sir.

but thanks for looking out.:y:

[Krimzon7]

You got COORDINATE...CO ORDINATE

[Juan]

All these shots at the champs makes me believe they're serious about revamping the tag division

[CSL]

Vince appears to be having some "fun" with JR

[CSL]

so pretty

[blak23]

Verticality is actually a word

[Krimzon7]

WATCH THE THRONE JUST GOT A STAMP OF DISAPPROVAL...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Love Bournes music.

[Juan]

This might be the beginning of the new tag division

[Shisen Kopf]

Evan Bourne is good, why don't they make up their mind about pushing him? One week he looks good and the next they squash him. WTF?

[Anybody Thrilla]

They are laying some nice groundwork all around the board tonight. Nothing awe-inspiring just yet, but I feel like things are going to be pretty awesome pretty soon.

[Juan]

In other words, I don't think it's a coincidence that JR and King keep bringing up the tag division

[Shisen Kopf]

Also, the main event should be a taco on a pole match bc them Mexicans love their tacos!

[whitehead12]

Otungas moveset is left right A B up down B A

[blak23]

No talk of Cena all night? im not used to this

[Juan]

Evan Bourne is good, why don't they make up their mind about pushing him? One week he looks good and the next they squash him. WTF?

Well if tonight was any indication, it looks like Kofi and Bourne are forming a tag team

[Krimzon7]

Keith Stone manages Beer Money pleeeeeez!

[Rollermacka]

You know after all the shenanigans with Sin Cara I don't think that's the real Rey Misterio

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The way they were talking about the tag division opens the door for a couple of new teams to come in and say they're lighting a fire under the division again.

[Corndad]

Maybe I missed it but has Cena been on at all tonight? Other then HHH going into his dressing room?

[ClockShot]

RICARDO!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ricardo's face is so ridiculous.

[blak23]

poor little girl keeping her hand out there

[Cool King]

Nice Ferrari.

[whitehead12]

Ricardo bout to go ham

[Juan]

Belt looks good on Del Rio

[Krimzon7]

This pop is nothing lie punk in Chicago.

[Juan]

Can't wait. This should be an awesome match

[Cool King]

Chad Patton in charge for this match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Feels like Rey's night.

[Krimzon7]

Ricardo is essential to the gimmick

[Krimzon7]

Feels like Rey's night.

It's not

[Corndad]

Rey looks like one of those yellow highlighter markers tonight.

[blak23]

you are correct sir

[DrCrawford]

del rio should grow a razor ramon mullet

[Cool King]

Those two guys in the front row that are dressed as Del Rio seem to be pissing off the people behind them.

[blak23]

so we are getting no answers tonight?

[Anybody Thrilla]

del rio should grow a razor ramon mullet

Then when he hands his belt over, he can say "if something happens to this gold, chico...something's gonna happen to YOU".

[Anybody Thrilla]

so we are getting no answers tonight?

We already got at least one side to the story from Nash. How much do you require in one week? These things take time.

[Shisen Kopf]

Well if tonight was any indication, it looks like Kofi and Bourne are forming a tag team

I hope you're right. Bourne deserves better and Kofi ain't bad either.

[Juan]

It really astounds me how underrated Rey Msyterio is

[blak23]

We already got at least one side to the story from Nash. How much do you require in one week? These things take time.

I like for things to end on a cliff hanger

[Shisen Kopf]

Rey Rey needs to get more super sweet tattoos. He looks awesome now just imagine if he got more. Not douchey at all.

[Cool King]

Ricky Ricardo.

[Corndad]

Ricky Ricardo lol

[Juan]

He may not be *insert Attitude Era star* on the mic, but he can hang in the ring with ANYONE

[blak23]

It really astounds me how underrated Rey Msyterio is

elaborate please

[Anybody Thrilla]

I like for things to end on a cliff hanger

It's not over yet.

[Juan]

Asai Moonsault :D

[blak23]

havent seen that from rey in a while

[Shisen Kopf]

Of the River should be a honky Tonk man kinda champ. totally suck but never lose the belt bc he always gets dq'd.

[Juan]

elaborate please

Dude works his ass off in the ring (despite injuries) and has great matches week in and week out, yet people are like "ugh rey mysterio"

Don't get it at all

[Anybody Thrilla]

Who is saying "ugh rey mysterio"?

[Shisen Kopf]

Yeah I'm like ugh Rey mysterio bc he's too damn small to buy as HEAVYWEIGHT champ. Dude weighs like 150lbs dripping wet from his back!

[Corndad]

Nice move there.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Holy fucking enziguri

[Juan]

Who is saying "ugh rey mysterio"?

You're not gonna make me look up old posts, are you? There are some in this thread.

I'm not saying EVERYONE says that, but I don't know why SOME people don't enjoy Rey Mysterio.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Very nice, Del Rio!

[ClockShot]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Juan]

LOL nice. Del fucking Rio wins

[Razzamajazz]

pretty sure it was "ugh rey/del rio"

[Shisen Kopf]

Good. Of the River is a more believable champ than Rey Rey

[Anybody Thrilla]

You're not gonna make me look up old posts, are you? There are some in this thread.

I'm not saying EVERYONE says that, but I don't why SOME people don't enjoy Rey Mysterio.

Why do you care, as long as you can still enjoy him? Some people don't like ribs. It's like, are you fucking kidding me? But so what.

[Cool King]

I'm still waiting for Cena to make an appearance.

[blak23]

Dude works his ass off in the ring (despite injuries) and has great matches week in and week out, yet people are like "ugh rey mysterio"

Don't get it at all

I totally agree Rey is one of the best workers. but imo that's only half of what makes people consider you a great. Inside the ring he is awesome but what about outside.
It's all about how people see you as a whole

[Corndad]

Now comes the Mysterio Beatdown so hes out...

[ClockShot]

Rey's officially on vacation.

[Shisen Kopf]

I like ribs.

[blak23]

another injry angle for Rey cmon

[Corndad]

Cena out for the save?

[Cool King]

And there we go.

[AJHayes]

I am totally digging Del Rio.

Not sure that WWE should throw everything behind him just yet, but, wouldn't be the worst thing they could do.

[Corndad]

yup. knew couldn't go all the show without him.

[Anybody Thrilla]

We can still run for 10 minutes here...

[Juan]

Why do you care, as long as you can still enjoy him? Some people don't like ribs. It's like, are you fucking kidding me? But so what.

I don't usually, but when once a week in these Raw threads I see people disparage Rey and it baffles me. No skin off my nose, really.

[ClockShot]

Wouldn't be the first time, Cena. Zip it.

[Juan]

I totally agree Rey is one of the best workers. but imo that's only half of what makes people consider you a great. Inside the ring he is awesome but what about outside.
It's all about how people see you as a whole

He hasn't taken a shit in anyone's duffle bag, so I think he's good

[blak23]

Del Rio/ Cena

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cena's got some fire in him tonight. Morrison can take lessons from him.

[CSL]

Del Rio taking hand gesture lessons from Scott Hall

[blak23]

He hasn't taken a shit in anyone's duffle bag, so I think he's good

im talking fans not backstage

[Razzamajazz]

so del rio's not a champ, but he just beat rey clean?

[Juan]

I'm really glad that the focus has stayed on the WWE Championship

[Anybody Thrilla]

He didn't even seem that pissed at Edge for cashing in his briefcase in the past.

[Rollermacka]

There's somebody out there that Cena doesn't respect and secretly admire? :eek:

[Cool King]

I don't get why Cena was bitching about how Del Rio won the championship.

That's what Money In The Bank is all about. :-\

[blak23]

i was asking if thats how it would go as well

[Emperor Smeat]

:-\ just a couple of minutes away from the 1st ever no-Cena on Raw until he showed up. I guess Cena also now took over the "pissed at everyone" thing from Punk.

Good Raw and main event especially how good Rey and Del Rio work together.

[Juan]

I don't get why Cena was bitching about how Del Rio won the championship.

That's what Money In The Bank is all about. :-\

Yeah, but it helps Del Rio garner some extra heat.

Worked well for Punk against Hardy a few years ago.

[Krimzon7]

Cena pg pissed off works

[Skippord]

really enjoyed Cena there, dude is scary when mad

[Anybody Thrilla]

Del Rio is the man. Love his style.

[Skippord]

realMickFoley (http://twitter.com/#%21/realMickFoley) Mick Foley



I really enjoyed the angry, serious tone of @johncena (http://twitter.com/johncena) . Might be about time more fans started recognizing his legacy of amazing matches.

Mick Foley and I are on the same wavelength

[Krimzon7]

realMickFoley (http://twitter.com/#%21/realMickFoley) Mick Foley



I really enjoyed the angry, serious tone of @johncena (http://twitter.com/johncena) . Might be about time more fans started recognizing his legacy of amazing matches.

Mick Foley and I are on the same wavelength

Has he resigned already???

[Gonzo]

Del Rio is the man. Love his style.

Definitely entertaining in the ring.

I can't wait to see where the story line goes with Punk. Definitely gold provided it goes in the right direction and is followed through properly.

[Battlekat]

Overall thought it was a pretty good Raw. I think the Del Rio/Cena feud they are teasing should be good. I also really enjoyed the Nash/Punk stuff even though it's kind of a step down from what we've gotten from Cena/Punk the last few months. Truth/Morrison had a nice little match also. Looks like I'll be streaming Raw with Monday Night Football in the background this season.

[LoDownM]

Dosed off after the Punk/Steph thing, I miss anything of note?

[Xero]

Raw didn't feel that great to me. The Punk/Nash promo was great, but I'm not looking forward to a potenital match. I'll enjoy the ride TO the match, but not the match itself.

Also, the Divas surprised me by actually wrestling. For a Divas match without any real wrestlers, its was pretty damn good.

Otherwise, it was meh to me. Truth vs Morrison was okay, but it just feels like the wheels are spinning in place. I felt last week should have been the blow off.

Still not a fan of Del Rio. He's okay in the ring and fun to watch, but I'm just not into him. The match was okay and I liked the finish.

As for Cena, it made no sense for that promo to happen. It would have been a great promo, had it made any fucking sense. Why is Cena pissed at Del Rio? He won the title in a legit way, and had just wrestled Rey in his home town and won clean. But Cena has a problem with him.

Feels like the title scene is going right back to the same old shit. I'm also weary about Punk. He'll be fine until the Hunter feud wraps up, but after that I fear a push down the card.

I'll say an okay Raw at best.

[Juan]

Every time a heel cashes in, he gets shit for it from the face. It's common practice now.

If it weren't for that, we wouldn't have had that great Punk/Hardy feud

[Juan]

Doesn't mean it "makes sense" but it's just the norm

[Hanso Amore]

You were champ, what 3 times for 20 days?

Looking like a Short Order Cook at a Waffle House

I love Nash.

[Hanso Amore]

SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND SAY THANK YOU MR NASH.

I love it. I really think they could do something hot here if they dont make it ALL about Steph.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Excellent Raw overall. And yeah, I loved the fire Cena brought in his promo...even though it sounded like Cena hadn't even watched the show. "There will come a day when you have to defend the title"...uhhhhh he just did.

Thoroughly looking forward to next week.</font>

[Juan]

Feels like the title scene is going right back to the same old shit. I'm also weary about Punk. He'll be fine until the Hunter feud wraps up, but after that I fear a push down the card.

After all the interest Punk as regenerated in the product, let alone his merch sales, I think it'd be far fetched to think he's gonna be demoted again after this.

Even if he is, Chris Jericho was pushed up and down the card and he made it work like gold. I have no doubt Punk could do the same

[Juan]

Also, I think we'd sooner see Punk vs HHH than Punk vs Nash

[Cool King]

For some reason, TPWW didn't post what I typed up.

I'm not typing it all up again, but basically, what I said was that the talk between Nash and Laurinaitis will probably be Laurinaitis signing Nash to a contract to compete.

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno. I am probably going to get shit on for saying this, and accused of blatant Unhappy IWCitis, but...

I feel like RAW really lost a whole heckuva lot of steam this week.

The Punk stuff was still golden, and I am of course still interested in where it goes... but without the WWE Championship and Cena involved, it just loses a whole lot of steam.

Speaking of the WWE Title, it seems to be back to the status quo. New heel champ who cashed in the MitB vs angry face, Cena. Seen this a million times.

I also don't get why Cena was so angry. He wasn't even the dude Alberto cashed it in on. Punk and HHH both were like "Meh. That's Money in the Bank."

But Cena for some reason is outraged, even after Alberto beats Rey clean for the thousandth time.





Yeah. Basically, they could have milked Cena/Punk for even more and continued being red-hot.

This week was luke-warm at best.

[Lock Jaw]

I did enjoy Jack Swagger's Gutwrench Stumblebomb tribute to Kevin Nash though.

[ThePhantom]

I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....

[Droford]

I don't get why Cena was bitching about how Del Rio won the championship.

That's what Money In The Bank is all about. :-\

Cena's just pissed cause he's never won Money in the Bank.

[Lock Jaw]

Cena's just pissed cause he's never won Money in the Bank.

But why would Cena need to win a title match opportunity? He's either already champion, or can get a title match anytime he wants.

[McLegend]

Cena in realilty shouldn't be mad, becasue is what Del Rio did that much worse then what Cena did to win the belt 3 weeks ago?

[NormanSmiley]

like many of you i wanted more punk/nash/hhh answers but think raw did a great job of starting many new directions and if handled well could be really entertaining.

the cons are of course cena right back in the title picture and badly explained. again cena at the expense of mysterio gets in the mix, but thats just the world we live in cena is gonna always be in the hunt or wearing the belt

the pros. a slow burn with the mystery of cm punk stuff. who screwed him, who will he go after. could be good with punk becoming more over as he fights through Trip's stips and hopefully a rumble win at the end.

the divas didnt look half bad, and i never say that.

king and jr giving the inclination tag teams may be getting some love

getting vickie over to swagger is good.

only pet peeve about the show was hoping truth would keep no music and get jimmy hart guiding him out with the megaphone.ah well

[GD]

I really don't get it. A couple of years ago, when someone won the MITB and cashed it in, Cena was okay with it since they had "earned it". But now all of a sudden he is mad at Alberto Del Rio for cashing in his MITB contract. WTF Cena?

[#1-norm-fan]

Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.

[#1-norm-fan]

PS It took a while but I think I'm officially a full Dolph Ziggler fan now. And Alex Riley is just not ready. He's got a decent look but no real redeeming qualities past that. Just awful.

[Droford]

But why would Cena need to win a title match opportunity? He's either already champion, or can get a title match anytime he wants.

I eagerly anticipate the "John Cena can never have another title shot" angle that forces him to win Money in the Bank so he can have a title shot.

Then he cashes in and is the first to lose.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, WTF with The Miz being relegated into an in-ring advertisement segment.

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe Miz joins "The Corporation". Guy who is willing to do anything the company says, including go shill Subway.

Goes against Punk.

[#1-norm-fan]

The commentary tonight has been oddly stellar.

[Tom Guycott]

I eagerly anticipate the "John Cena can never have another title shot" angle that forces him to win Money in the Bank so he can have a title shot.

Then he cashes in and is the first to lose.

I agree with this. It wouldn't hurt Cena as much as it would hurt someone like Bryan (only threw him out there because... well, you all know why) or any other potential "up-and-comer" that may win the case. A lower card wrestler or someone who never had the title (for instance, Del Rio had he still not gotten the win last night) would have that follow them around like "Boring" did with Lance Storm. Cena is already so over he doesn't need the win. It would also break the "guaranteed 100% win" streak everyone has had with the case, keep him out of the direct title picture, and possibly build some angle that will keep him busy with someone while the main event picture shifts to someone else for a bit. Besides, we already have Rock/Cena, and Cena's "prediction" that it's going to be a title match with him as the champion can still be done. That's what the Royal Rumble is for.

I only have a couple "Late to the Party" comment about tonight:

-I actually enjoyed commentary. Thouroughly. With Cole not going so fucking overboard with heeling it up, JR there to actually CALL the match, and everyone taking their shots at one another (as opposed to everyone bash Cole all the time... JR or King even agreed with Cole on some points leaving the odd man out to be the contrarian)

-Speaking of commentary, they pretty much confirmed the possiblity of strengthening the tag division. I agree the current champs need some sort of "umph" to them, or they'll be forgotten as soon as they lose the belts. As teams go, they're about as over as 'Lo Down. No nexus gear leaves them with no identity, no name leaves them mostly unidentifiable, their new music is pretty generic, and no mic time leaves them with no charisma. As King said, "its like the bland leading the bland". Hell, a step in the right direction would be to have them come out and confront King about that. Or...

-Vickie/Dolph/Thwagger. Swagger can use the boost of a mouthpiece-slash-heat machine. Also, this has the makings of an angle where Dolph eventually strikes out on his own (and possibly turns face, if done right), and Vickie takes Jack's adivce and hires multiple clients (or even out and out builds a stable)... which brings me back to the current WWE Tag Team Champions. Really, they're so not over, they're not even clearly defined heels. They're tweeners-by-apathy. Vickie could get them to be hated by association.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.

[Xero]

It's a conspiracy.

[blak23]

Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.

I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz

[Londoner]

I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz

Just what i thought. Yet another one of those weird wwe decisions where they just give up on someone, it seems.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I love Truth, but mid-card is fine by me as long as he's on TV most weeks. We've got Del Rio, Punk, Cena, HHH, Nash and Rey (probably) on top right now and while I would prefer Truth instead of Del Rio, I'm not really complaining.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

BAWWWWWWWWWWW, THE KLIQ IS HOLDING DOWN TRUTH. GONNA GET BURIED LIKE WADE BARRETT.

[The Fraze]

Hate Del Rio.

[The Naitch]

Nash looks like a Greek god

http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/images/stories/entertainment/Music/scott-hall/Kevin-Nash1.jpg

[Captain of Fun]

I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....

I feel the same way about Nash. He kind of stumbled through it. I mean it wasn't terrible, but he certainly wasn't the confident Kevin Nash that used to be gold on the stick.

I was distracted by how awesome Cena's delivery was, to notice that what he was saying made no sense.

Also, hello everyone. I am the Captain of Fun.

[Autobahn]

I love Nash as much as the next guy, but something about him coming back and being near the top of the card really bothers me. Again, I'll wait and see how the storyline plays out as it has potential to go somewhere good, and hope that it does.

Plus I am really happy for Del Rio as champ.

[Tazz Dan]

I guess we were all wrong. Nash came out to Truth's old music.

[MIZantine Empire]

:-\ just a couple of minutes away from the 1st ever no-Cena on Raw until he showed up. I guess Cena also now took over the "pissed at everyone" thing from Punk.

Good Raw and main event especially how good Rey and Del Rio work together.
back when punk kicked barrett out of nexus on raw i believe that was a no cena raw. it was a raw in phx az. im pretty sure he wasnt on it

[MIZantine Empire]

Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.
lol ya i agree..i loved when king said "when i think about you two in bed, i think of pigs in a blanket" and cole lost it and was cracking up. that made me laugh

[Ruien]

I feel the same way about Nash. He kind of stumbled through it. I mean it wasn't terrible, but he certainly wasn't the confident Kevin Nash that used to be gold on the stick.

I was distracted by how awesome Cena's delivery was, to notice that what he was saying made no sense.

Also, hello everyone. I am the Captain of Fun.

Pretty sure that is part of the storyline. JR referred to Nash not acting like Nash four or five times.

[Rock Bottom]

If Cena cut more promos like that, I could start to dig him.

[Shadrick]

It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.

[DaVe]

decent raw; pretty disappointed by Nash. Was never a fan, and he didn't really hold up his end of the promo with Punk.

[Xero]

From PWInsider:

After Raw ended:

John Cena called for Alberto Del Rio to come to the ring and started to go to the back. CM Punk came out and forced Alberto into the ring. Cena and Punk hit their finishers on Alberto and grabbed the WWE Title. Ricardo tried to get it and they wouldn't let him have it. They then left the ring together with the title.

==

Yeah, this IS off-air, but REALLY? Cena and Punk working together? Guess they see Punk as a full-fledged face now.

[ZuttoKai]

Yeah, if Nash coming off flat on his end of the promo with Punk was intended, I'll accept it. But otherwise? Damn, that's kinda saddening. Got the same feeling I got with the whole Rock/Cena back-and-forth earlier this year. I was expecting a lot out of Rock and Cena pretty much verbally owned him. And I've despised post-2005 Cena to no end.

Guess these guys can't bring a 90s-style promo into 2011 for anything more than nostalgia, and Nash isn't immune.. even if he crashes servers.

[Tom Guycott]

It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.

Hope not, because it's TOO obvious. Not saying they need to swerve people for the sake of swerving people and make it someone 100% uninvolved out of the blue. That would be kind of a let down. It would be a let down in the "Rikishi drove the car" kind of way.

It wasn't directly what the instructions were, it was how it was worded. Who calls Nash "Big man" besides his friends? Yes, Of The River gained the most, but we're supposed to doubt the integrity of Triple Doofus right now. Also, we have a list of suspects in Hunter himself, Super Dave, the re-emerged Billion Dollar Princess, and any multitude of Kliq members up to and including HBK.

Del Rio simply buying off Nash would be one thing, he has the kayfabe money for it. But with that said, if a guy who flaunts his money can just buy a favor, why go through the trouble of "tricking" Nash into it?

[Jura]

I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....
HHH and Cena talked a little bit after his match ended and Cena just disappeared and then on Monday night they didn't talk. Usually any ref, wrestler or official, would restart the match right away or another official would come down to dispute it but it didn't happen. This leads me to believe that maybe HHH did know what was gonna happen and since Punk stuck it to him and Steph, he didn't want to reverse the decision and let the illusion be that Punk won so Nash could powerbomb the winner who happened to be Punk.

[Hanso Amore]

How was Nash flat at the end? he got his digs in, and taunted Punk back up the ramp.

I think he got over the fact that he thinks Punk is disrespectful and ungrateful.

He got his "shoot" digs in with Indyriffic, "youve main evented, what , twice in 5 years" and the Cook dig.

I thought he was fine. He stumbled a bit at one point, but its his first Live promo on raw in 7 years.

[Hanso Amore]

Hope not, because it's TOO obvious. Not saying they need to swerve people for the sake of swerving people and make it someone 100% uninvolved out of the blue. That would be kind of a let down. It would be a let down in the "Rikishi drove the car" kind of way.

It wasn't directly what the instructions were, it was how it was worded. Who calls Nash "Big man" besides his friends? Yes, Of The River gained the most, but we're supposed to doubt the integrity of Triple Doofus right now. Also, we have a list of suspects in Hunter himself, Super Dave, the re-emerged Billion Dollar Princess, and any multitude of Kliq members up to and including HBK.

Del Rio simply buying off Nash would be one thing, he has the kayfabe money for it. But with that said, if a guy who flaunts his money can just buy a favor, why go through the trouble of "tricking" Nash into it?


Exactly. I think teasing Del rio with the "winner" comment is a red herring.

This is either going to end with HHH being in on it, or Steph doing it behind his back to get at Punk for getting her Dad fired.


I would love it if Steph was behind it, leading to a Steph, Super Dave, Nash group (I liked someones Idea of the Miz v Punk) being group going at it with Punk and HHH (who is playing innocent and a face) with then HHH swerving Punk and going Heel.

This can play out over a few months with them then Holding Punk down and him winning the Rumble to face their corporate champ, Miz or Del Rio.

Along the way the KOW debut as Punks backup. They have been making alot of Indy references to Punk lately, who might say, fuck it, yeah, and here are the Indys to back me up.

[Rock Bottom]

This could be Vince too, really. Johnny Ace pulling Kevin Nash aside too. I mean, Hunter's 'in charge,' and we've seen what HHH's character does when he's in charge and in business for himself. McMahon-Helmsley was ridiculous and over the top when it came to heel antics. (not necessarily always in a bad way, he really got guys over even more)

He ain't doing that now. Of course, none of that has to make any sense. Just, if you think about it, Vince McMahon being behind all this might make the most sense, other than Stephanie being insulted, which doesn't have to contend against the Vince theory at all.

[XL]

"It was ME, Punk. It was me all along!"

[Anybody Thrilla]

Things haven't been this unpredictable in quite some time.

[McLegend]

It's gonna get fucked up in the end.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I guess you don't have to be optimistic.

[Xero]

Optimism is the tool of a fool.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You're a tool.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Really though, it seems like people sometimes don't want to get excited for something because they don't want to look like they were wrong about it if it DOES fall through...but even when it DOESN'T fall through, people will say "OMG THIS IS A FIRST..but they'll fuck it up eventually".

Maybe optimism isn't always the best policy in life-altering scenarios, but I think it's just fine as a wrestling fan to just sit back and hope for the best.

[Innovator]

I have a bad feeling that they're gonna Invasion this.

[Corndad]

It seems like People can't enjoy good things anymore. It's kinda sad. Just looking back when we all first started watching, mostly when we were kids, we just enjoyed it for what it was. No over thinking. Just watching these characters come alive on your TV.

[Sepholio]

I will believe in the WWE's ability to pull off this Nash/HHH/Punk angle without screwing it up....unless they bring in Scott Hall or Sean Waltman. Then I will give up on it.

[weather vane]

Really though, it seems like people sometimes don't want to get excited for something because they don't want to look like they were wrong about it if it DOES fall through...but even when it DOESN'T fall through, people will say "OMG THIS IS A FIRST..but they'll fuck it up eventually".

Maybe optimism isn't always the best policy in life-altering scenarios, but I think it's just fine as a wrestling fan to just sit back and hope for the best.

THANK YOU! Fuck I can't stand reading 90% of the comments on here sometimes. Wrestling has not been this good in YEARS... it is really good right now.

I have a ring and it says ELE... EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!

[Captain of Fun]

I think it would be cool if it was laurinitis who sent the text, on orders from vince. I thought it was kind of strange how the character who defined ruthless aggression, just kind of humbly accepted being kicked out of power. I could see this being Vince pulling the strings still, to try and sabotage Triple H's run as COO, all leading to a Vince vs HHH streetfight or something, for control of the company.

[Anybody Thrilla]

VICKIE: You don't kiss me...ever.

DOLPH: I had a cold last week.

:lol:

[Anybody Thrilla]

JR: Does my hat get a payday?

:lol:

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sorry, watching it again right now.

[Slow]

My money's on John Laurenitis (however you spell it), otherwise can't figure out why he's on TV all of a sudden

[Anybody Thrilla]

He's been on TV ever since Money in the Bank. I wouldn't exactly call that "all of a sudden".

[Sepholio]

It's actually a plausible idea that Vince is behind this, especially considering John Lauranitis being involved. After all, it was Vince who got him involved in MITB in the first place. However I wouldn't see that angle ending with HHH vs Vince, as I could see HHH being in on it with Vince. This is looking like a return to the corporation imo. I think even The Rock will be revealed to be in on all this eventually.

Also, seriously, wtf happened to the anonymous GM? That is going to get tied up in all this as well. And by that I mean I fully expect CM Punk or someone else to make reference to the GM storyline being forgotten about entirely like it never even happened. You know, one of those little jabs everyone seems to be getting so good at making lately.